posted November 30, 2011 04:10 AM            

Yet, if I am to shut my thought process, and then introspect on how exactly I would think and feel if I do not interact with anyone at all, then I am able to relate to Sidereal Placements in my chart.

You must compute your Vedic Dasha Cycle [its free in Junior Jyotish software]. Then check to see your current "Dasha" or Direction. If it is Saturn or Rahu [North Node] or Ketu [South Node], you will be more under the impact of fated karmic debts. You might thus relate more to sidereal nodes as they hold the clues to "completed karmic contracts" [ref: Robert Blaschke]. Completed Karma is very much an expertise, a comfort zone, very much like Tropical South Node. And it may inspire similar behavior to tackle present karma in fated transit cycles/dashas.

Do you know that not even a single Vedic Text or Upanishad has a positive essay of the type written by Emerson, Allen, Napolean Hill or even a philosophy of Thomas Paine?

Western Tropical Astrology = Transpersonal Humanitarian Psychology, and keys of Human Liberation from Human Bondage by improvoing the present moment attitude.
Vedic explains why Man suffers and how he will suffer some more because of past crimes.

In my own case, Sidereal Pisces Ascendant would make me sit in a corner and mutter sanskrit or arabic hymns while fantasizing something better in life. The Tropical Aries Ascendant on the other hand [Tropical Libra Moon at work ] would inspire me to lift a 150 kilo barbell off the floor and relish the challenge of overcoming pain. And then to risk adding more plates to lift heavier.
And speak to a stock broker on the phone while wiping the sweat to make a risky little purchase.

I hope you see the my reasoning of Static versus Dynamic Expression in Sidereal and Tropical Astrology.

Humanity evolves and marches ahead in life using Tropical Astrology while we analyze our karmic suffering using many powerful Sidereal Vedic Jyotish Tools.

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posted November 30, 2011 05:42 PM            

"Yet, if I am to shut my thought process, and then introspect on how exactly I would think and feel if I do not interact with anyone at all, then I am able to relate to Sidereal Placements in my chart."

This makes a lot of sense......moon pisces makes sense as far as my interaction with others but moon in aqua describes me better if I am alone and not interacting with anyone!

That description is a very deep observation and definitely helps clarify things.

"Western Tropical Astrology = Transpersonal Humanitarian Psychology, and keys of Human Liberation from Human Bondage by improving the present moment attitude.
Vedic explains why Man suffers and how he will suffer some more because of past crimes.I hope you see the my reasoning of Static versus Dynamic Expression in Sidereal and Tropical Astrology.
Humanity evolves and marches ahead in life using Tropical Astrology while we analyze our karmic suffering using many powerful Sidereal Vedic Jyotish Tools."

I have noticed that vedic is more negative so I actually don't read vedic interpretations. I look at chart in astro.com based on sidereal/fagan and then look up western interpretation of those placements bc I don't really understand the vedic interpretations nor like their focus on Karma and how much they used the world malefic. I completely agree with you that their approach is more dark and focuses on punishment so I ignore that aspect of it. I just take the placements and then read western interpretation which don't use that dark language or have that dark focus in karma and punishment and debts. I want to transcend and focus on growing not dwell on things that are negative. So I definitely see what you mean.

Based on your clarification I think I will continue to use tropical but also check out sidereal to compliment the tropical. I think I am going to use both but keep in mind what you have kindly explained bc I think I finally understand what you are trying to say and think is valid.

I will check out that software and let you know what it says . Thanks for responding, I really appreciate it.

posted November 30, 2011 06:07 PM            

Its seems that sidereal is what you are born with and tropical is your social self.

Since who we are and our personal growth is influenced and shaped through our interaction with others and environment you see tropical as more important and relevant to who we are.

Is that interaction with others and our environment which shapes who we are...hence your stress that tropical fits psychologically better. Now I get what you mean when you use psychology/dynamic expression to link it to tropical.

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posted December 01, 2011 08:49 AM            

my tropical ASC is in Sag, my sidereal ASC is in Scorpio.

So on my own, maybe in my own room, I am Scorpionic, but in relation to others would act more Sagittarian-like?

posted December 02, 2011 04:24 AM            

Even with respect to yourself, when you give yourself a pep talk to act better or improve, you become your tropical chart.

posted December 02, 2011 04:29 AM            

It actually makes sense to me: the baby before birth, cause sidereal puts the sid. ASC into the 12th tropical house, which not only relates to past lives and other stuff, but also to the prenatal phase (at least Hamaker-Zondag mentioned it in her books).

posted December 02, 2011 08:26 PM            

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Originally posted by iQ:
The Inner Child [or Inner Adolescent] who has not "stepped out" into real life is Sidereal.
The unopened package = Sidereal.

Even with respect to yourself, when you give yourself a pep talk to act better or improve, you become your tropical chart.

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This makes sense so is like the aspects of your personality that haven't matured and are stuck in adolescence could be better explained in sidereal but once this is overcomed tropical placements will make more sense.

Like for example, my friend has bipolar and has suffered from this his whole life. He grew up in an environment that try to turn him into something he is not and he is stuck so sidereal describes his life better but if he were to overcome this stagnation, tropical will make more sense.

posted December 02, 2011 08:29 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

I think if we are to use sidereal zodiac we cannot simply put the sign-definitions as per tropical onto these positions. Maybe there are differences in meanings and interpretation.

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Think outside of the box a little and follow your intuition and go less by what is written in stone bc just bc is written in stone doesn't mean that it cant be improved, altered or perfected through creativity and thinking outside the box.

posted December 03, 2011 05:41 PM            

this is vedic astrology, so using the western astro charts would not apply...right??
lol, but the thing with the 2ed house and eyes def. applys to me. (i didn't look at it all yet)

if htis is the case, where can you get your vedic asto chart done??

posted December 04, 2011 04:21 AM            

I agree with her insight. And yes, Sun+Moon+Asc is also a triple.

Sun+Moon+Asc+Birth Number matching to the same sign is technically a quadruple

Hi defeat,
Planets in Houses work equally for Tropical and Sidereal. However, a subtle change occurs if you use Whole Sign versus Cusps.
For strict Vedic Analysis, Whole Sign is recommended. Just try Junior Jyotish. Cheap textbooks for 10 dollars are available with detailed Vedic Astro Insights. Look up
Barabara Pijan Lama online. She is way way better than me in Vedic Astro and is such a generous Soul that she has explained difficult concepts for free.

But hey, if the shoe fits wear it If you got the analysis right in cusp based houses, try them all out in the same manner.

The Multidimensional Law of Karma sits atop all these sciences and tools. And Karma works on Blessings and Curses. If you have been blessed to maximize your knowledge by Tropical Analysis, that is what will happen.

The excellent work named "Lal Kitab" is condensed Parashara System with simple solutions. These have worked for the common man in North India. South Indians do not know much of Lal Kitab. But they have a unique system called Nadi Astrology based on the whorls of thumbs, believe it or not. And it works with 80-85% accuracy!

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posted December 04, 2011 01:26 PM            

Your Birth Day number is 21

You are highly creative, with a strong will to succeed. You have a social gift. You get along well with others and generally enjoy people immensely. Your imagination is highly charged. It reveals itself in everything you do, from your sparkling conversation to your most prized projects. You are quick witted and can think on your feet. Both your mind and body are vital and seemingly radiating with life.

You are talented in writing and verbal skills. You can succeed as an artist, writer, or editor. You are inspiring and enthusiastic. You uplift social gatherings and often serve as the life of the party. You are an excellent salesman. Your challenge is to ground and focus your energies deeply in a specific field or endeavor. You must develop yourself and your talents in order to make the most of your life. Otherwise, you can easily let charm and wit pass for outstanding work, thus wasting your talents.

You can be nervous and even given to paranoia, especially when your nerves become frayed or your imagination runs out of control. Your love runs deep and you can be passionate. More often than not, however, you are on the receiving end of affection, simply because people are charmed by you or attracted to your charismatic personality.