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iQ
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posted November 22, 2011 07:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Rishi Parashara is considered the founder of Astrology in the Vedic System. He is the father of the Saint who authored India's greatest epic: The Mahabharata.

His astrological work is compiled in a text book called "Brihat Parasahara Hora Shastra". This is an amazing text, and discusses each and every aspect of astrology using personal planets and nodes.

One of the best insights in the effects of Houses is found in this text. And he has written more than a 100 combinations that enable a person to become a "King" in the chosen area of expertise.
http://www.astrojyoti.com/bphspage2.htm

The book is heavy reading but topics like the above are clear and useful.


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posted November 23, 2011 01:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Auspicious Planets and Malefics according to Sidereal Ascendant, in the context of advanced growth:

Aries:
+ Mars, Jupiter, Sun
- Saturn, Venus, Mercury

Taurus:
+ Saturn, Sun
- Jupiter, Venus and Moon

Gemini:
+ Venus
- Mars, Jupiter and Sun

Cancer:
+ Mars, Jupiter, Moon
- Venus, Mercury

Leo:
+ Mars, Jupiter, Sun
- Saturn, venus, Mercury

Virgo:
+ Mercury, Venus
- Mars, Jupiter and Moon

Libra:
+ Saturn, Mercury,
Moon is positive when conjunct Mercury.
- Jupiter, Sun and Mars

Scorpio:
+ Jupiter, Moon
-Venus, Mercury and Saturn

Sagittarius:
+ Mars and Sun
- Venus

Capricorn:
+ Venus and Mercury
- Mars, Jupiter and Moon

Aquarius:
+ Venus and Saturn
- Jupiter, Moon and Mars
Mercury provides disruption.

Pisces:
+ Mars and Moon
Jupiter when conjunct Mars is positive.
- Saturn, Venus, Sun and Mercury

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Corollaries depending on above:
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1. Lord of 1st, 5th and 9th when conjunct is excellent

2. Lords of 1st,4th,7th or 10th when conjunct [2 or more] or are in 1,5,9 Houses it is very beneficial throughout life.

3. Lords of Cardinals [1,4,7,10] in the Trine Houses [1,5,9] or vice versa is auspicious. Lord of Cardinals in other Cardinals and Lord of Trines in other trine houses is also good.

[ Basically, if there is nothing in 3rd,6th, 8th and 12th, that person always leads a satisfactory life. ]

4. If any 3 Cardinals have benefics or neutral planets, it is good.


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posted November 23, 2011 04:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
so, my ASC is Scorpio (sidereal),

Jupiter rules my 5th, Moon the 9th house, is that why they are considered beneficial, because they are lords of 5th and 9th house?

Venus ruling 12th house, Mercury ruling 8th house, and Mars ruling 6th house - and these are considered malefic houses?

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posted November 23, 2011 04:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hmm, is th 4th house considered malefic in vedic (Saturn would rule it for a Scorpio-ASC).

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posted November 23, 2011 05:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Ceridwen.
We have to build a matrix of house lords in various houses, and then only we can get the maximum information.

In www.martinrai.com, we have the House Lords in every house filtered from the Parashara text, concisely.

Please understand, Sidereal rarely describes the psychological traits correctly, but is near perfect in prediction timings because of the "Vimshottari Dashas" or Directions derived from Vedic Moon Sign. All these House Lord interactions play out very well within these Dashas, and are priceless to know the impact of a Planetary Transit.

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posted November 23, 2011 11:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sunshine9     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My ASC is also Scorpio in the Sidereal, as opposed to Sagittarius - same as you, Ceri..

Astro.com also picked the Equal House system by default - is that what we are to use, iQ?

Do we use the True Node or Mean Node for the Vedic chart?

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posted November 23, 2011 11:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sunshine9     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Weird - my Moon is also at a different degree than in Western. Western has it at 5'Cap, while Vedic places it at 11'Sag.

OMG, not only that, ALL of my planets seem to be shifted up a sign, give or take a few degrees!!

I'm not sure I understand this, iQ..

If we take transits for predictive astrology, the Western system has me undergoing a Pluto transit on my Moon at this time. I haven't looked yet, but does Vedic place tPluto in Sagittarius now instead of Capricorn, or does the Vedic system just not have this Pluto transit for me at all?

How do you reconcile the two in your work, iQ?

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posted November 23, 2011 11:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for wavelink     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by iQ:
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Please understand, Sidereal rarely describes the psychological traits correctly

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lol did u praised this wise man first just to make him look like a fool later?!

The link u posted shows he seriously believes exactly the opposite of your statement.

Sidereal is exactly for the self & psyche no doubt.


N I was thinking I found some interesting info here judging by the topic ...

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posted November 23, 2011 01:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Sunshine,
Just use Sidereal Chart of astro.com but also use a whole house system to make the analysis work. Even if the cusp is 29 degrees, use strict whole sign, and we get a very high percentage of events spot on when mapped to the modern age.
For character analysis, only Tropical System works. This is how I reconcile the two systems.

Hi Wavelink,
Nowhere in Parashara's work did I find any psychological analysis. His brilliance is in the predictive sphere, the combinations that play out karmic events, and he is using just the personal planets, Saturn, Jupiter and Nodes for all calculations. Pretty brilliant and effective. But Parashara will be the first to admit that Linda Goodman is Aries than Pisces Rising and Pisces Sun in her psychology. Rishis were honest. And any honest assessment of human psychology will prove that it is only the Tropical Chart that explains Psychology. And it is a sad joke of Vedics who claim that Dhirubhai Ambani was a triple Sagittarius. He is clearly the epitome of triple Capricorn, the ultimate business tycoon and leader who planned and planned and planned and executed secretly without bombastic jokes, a foreign wife, book publishing and blunt humor. Yet, with Parashara System we will know that he had powerful Raja Yogas to help the triple Cappy business leadership psychology to attain billionaire success.
And which Vedic Astrologer would want to bluff that a Taurus will speak in a thousand versatile tongues like genuine Gemini Mel Blanc? And which Gemini likes to hoard huge finances like Rockefeller? Can he be anything apart from Cancer? The fallacy of Sidereal System for psychological assessment has been proven with tons of evidence by many before me, most noteworthy being the great Robert Blaschke. Yet, Blaschke proved the karmic value of Sidereal Astrology, and this is why we need a re-look at Parashara System, to know the fated events of life mapped to the modern age.


P.S:
Rishi Parashara never spotted a psychopath or sociopath, look at our research on this using the Tropical System and Asteroids.
Yet, with Parashara System, it is possible to predict the brightest chances of nabbing a criminal, using the Dasha/Directions.
Wisdom is in using all of the best tools available for success. Perhaps if you rid yourself of the typical Brahmin prejudices, you will find some gems in our re-look into the Hora Shastras.

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Nowhere in Parashara's work did I find any psychological analysis.


Well, this speaks alot to me.
I find it even in the page u posted.


All of your arguments are personal horoscopes that I never studied.
If I do another picture will emerge.
But let me tell u - everything I've had my fingers on def shows 100% sidereal validity.


Just to be brief some funny examples from LL forum:

nick - DreamyAriesGirl - lol Pisces

AnjellyFish /even called herself fish - sharing that she looks like Pisces, etc.
With Sun, Moon n Mercury in Aries.
lol no, these are in Pisces

Yea - Linda is totally about immortality n everything connected with this knowledge - the Pisces sign.
/She even didn't share her date of birth for that reason.
The perfection of Neptune - in east immortal Shiva.
(even the sign of it is like the his trident)
Or Jesus the Christ here - immortal again


I can give u countless mind blowing examples.
Plus added charming side that ppl are not aware about sidereal and still subconsciously show it's validity.

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posted November 23, 2011 01:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for wavelink     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
lol

just remembered some funny Fishy example - Casanova

He even was a priest before lusts & romances overcame him.

Sex n mysticism are Pisces /water signs traits.

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posted November 23, 2011 01:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree with wavelink......psychologically I have been checking out sidereal and it describes me super well and my husband, family, friends, lovers....I and others make more sense now as before some things would not add up. Everything clicks now. I have aqua in the moon in sidereal. This describes me word by word:

Moon in Aquarius people are extremely observant. They are life-time students of human nature, loving to analyze why people do what they do. This often stems from a detached—even shy—personality, especially in youth. Whether due to character or conditioning, Moon in Aquarius people often grow up feeling "different". Although rather sociable, they are often loners at heart. Many have strong egos, or at least powerful defense mechanisms, and most Lunar Aquarians will do their best to be the most unique and unusual person they can be. Their inner feeling of loneliness—that they don't quite fit in—puts them on the outside, looking in.

There is a very idealistic and progressive streak in Lunar Aquarians that is admirable indeed. However, when the Moon is in Aquarius, natives often will deny the more irrational qualities of emotions—such as jealousy, possessiveness, and fear—in an effort to be "above" what they consider "pettiness". When this goes too far, Lunar Aquarians can be emotionally blocked, distant, and detached.

Lunar Aquarians can be very willful, especially in childhood. With age, these natives generally learn to handle their strong needs. Their desire for independence is powerful indeed, no matter what their age. With a quiet Sun and/or Ascendant, their desire to "shock" others is not always apparent until a relationship becomes comfortable. They are generally proud of their family members, boasting just how unique they are. When their families are ultra-conservative, the boast will be that they rebelled against all of that!

Although given to temper tantrums and willful behavior in youth, Moon in Aquarius people often grow up feeling that messy emotions are unappealing. They often pride themselves for being cool-headed, detached, and "above" what they consider the more base emotions. In the process, they can end up alienating others--and themselves. Although Lunar Aquarians can be especially adept at understanding others' behavior and motivations, they can lose touch with their own—simply because they have identified too strongly with what they aspire to be (and these aspirations are often super-human).

The Aquarian tendency to be humanitarian shows up powerfully in Moon in Aquarius. However, their kindness and concern for others is generally more a broad philosophy of life. With people close to them, Moon in Aquarius natives can seemingly lack compassion, as they often fully expect others to be as independent and detached as they are! In close, personal relationships, however, Lunar Aquarians generally give others a lot of personal freedom, and they will tolerate and enjoy all kinds of idiosyncrasies in people around them.

Moon in Aquarius people are rarely flighty people, but they can be unreliable when it concerns the little things in life. Often, this is simply an assertion of their independence. In the long haul, however, they are rather constant, as Aquarius is a fixed sign. As long as they have their own space and the freedom to be themselves, however kooky that may be, they are trustworthy and loyal.

Lunar Aquarians generally make wonderful friends. They'll make a point of leaving nobody on the outside. Many will fight for other's rights and crusade for equality.

What may be surprising is that Moon in Aquarius people have a lot of pride. In fact, when they've been attacked in any way (especially regarding their character), they can become very inflexible and cool. It can be difficult to know just how sensitive to criticism Lunar Aquarians are, simply because they hide it so well! When their character or behavior has been criticized, they tend to dig in their heels and keep right on doing it. They fully expect others to accept them exactly as they are, or they don't have much use for them in their lives.

These sometimes maddeningly unpredictable people are nevertheless quite charming. They have an unmistakable stubborn streak, but when left to be themselves, they make unusual and endlessly interesting people to be around. Life just wouldn't be the same without Lunar Aquarians' unusual spin on the world and the people in it.

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posted November 23, 2011 02:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for wavelink     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Out of the top of my head about the Capricorn-bis connection:
http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/aa667daa-bc92-4c15-810e-527ad33d47c6

She looks also tropical, but Gemini wont go to Cap defly

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posted November 23, 2011 02:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls**     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Amelia: Describes me word for word too but I'm neither a Lunar Aqua in Tropical or Sidereal.

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posted November 23, 2011 04:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Amelia: Describes me word for word too but I'm neither a Lunar Aqua in Tropical or Sidereal.

Well do you have strong aquarian influence in your chart? like a lot of 11th house placements and some planets in aqua?

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posted November 23, 2011 04:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Amelia: Describes me word for word too but I'm neither a Lunar Aqua in Tropical or Sidereal.


my sidereal chart overall describes me better as I have venus in cancer in sidereal which gets really attached but my moon in aqua doesn't like that about me too much. My NN in Taurus makes more sense and so does mercury in leo. I am still a sun virgo with mars in leo which makes sense.


I know is hard to reconsider a complete new system when you have been using another one all your life but in sidereal my 8th cusp is in gemini which explains how I can just drop an old system for a new one in search for the truth even if is dark (sidereal jupiter in scorpio). It also explains why I worry about loved ones passing away since I am so attached to them as a result of venus in cancer but how when they actually pass away I handle it very well bc of gemini in the 8th cusp (gemini been a mutable sign comfortable with change that likes to keep things light!).

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posted November 24, 2011 03:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Wavelink,
If Sidereal works for you in describing the nature, go for it. It fails for me 100%.

As per Sidereal, I am a Pisces Rising!

When did Pisces Rising want to come first in all events, be a leader, speculate like a gambler, desire to own a small business, speak bluntly, be impatient, get seriously hit on the head in childhood, not have psychic powers and have thick, big hairy feet? I used to laugh at astrology because of Sidereal Descriptions, and then discovered the miraculous truths of Tropical that described each and every intricate thought process of mine.

Perhaps, you went through the opposite experiences and discovered the viability of Sidereal Characterization.
[Now this balancing tendency of mine is as per Tropical Libra Moon, which becomes a meticulous Virgo Moon in Sidereal ]

Another theory of mine is that Sidereal, being near 100% accurate in assessing fatedness/karma, will describe those who choose to submit to fate and lock their desires in a shell. And Tropical will describe accurately those who wish to change, live life to the fullest and explore plus express their developed personality.

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posted November 24, 2011 03:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I dont lock my desires in a shell (that is a bit passive aggressive comment there) and am very much about personal growth..All 12 house cusps make more sense for me in sidereal. I dont know why it has failed you psychologically but I go with my own personal experience and judgement and I am very honest with myself.

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posted November 24, 2011 04:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Also, fated events tend to lead to big transformations in your life and self.

All my relationships that feel very fated and karmic have been triggers of personality transformation and a lot of personal growth.

Hence although your theory sounds interesting it really depends on how you look at it.

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posted November 24, 2011 04:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for wavelink     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by iQ:

As per Sidereal, I am a Pisces Rising!

When did Pisces Rising want to come first in all events, be a leader, speculate like a gambler, desire to own a small business, speak bluntly, be impatient, get seriously hit on the head in childhood, not have psychic powers and have thick, big hairy feet?

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iQ,

Let me use the purest example of Pisces sign - Jesus.
He's always connected with fishes and called Neptunian master.
For that reason Christians are compared to fishes on paintings of caves from that time, etc.

When did Pisces Rising want to come first in all events, be a leader: he was the most egoistic guy in nature lol
Never answering directly to any question, totally initiating, always drawing attention to himself.
Leader extraordinaire!

Desire to own a small business- made a whole christian church, prolly the biggest organization on earth.

speak bluntly: called a woman&her daughter bitches (well it's spelled dogs in the bible, but what are female ones actually) even while she's being worshiping.

Feet - aren't u aware that Pisces sign rules the feet of the body!?
lol u mentioned them out of so many possible parts.

Can extend this indefinitely including myself on the table - Pisces Sun (sidereal + tropical so no confusions)
From a small kid having so much energy like bouncing of the walls, even bulling other boys.
Leading the wars.
Had my head wounded many times.


N finally u touch the most important reason why shud sidereal be used - coz here we have power of free will to change our destinies.

Sidereal - connected with stars/heaven/our true self where we are free to choose
While tropical is the earth, flesh, inert forces, almost like prison.

What is stickied here almost never changes.
Whoever identifies with that lvl of consciousness if ever start smoking/over eating/etc. prolly will never be able to quit & heal.

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You missed the main point about Jesus, he showed the other cheek and did not fight back. I would have taken out 3-4 Roman Soldiers before being finished off with a spear... that's what Aries Rising does.
Aries Rising will not refuse a chance to make money or become wealthy. Jesus looked down on the rich and even chastised entrepreneurs. He was technically a bachelor, if he did have a family [Merovingian Clan], it was secretive. That is Pisces for you. Secrets. My life on the other hand is an open book. Typical Aries Honesty.

Speaking harsh truths to spread religion is not the same as speaking honestly out of sheer impatience, which is what Aries Rising is all about. Jesus did not establish the church, it was Paul. He must have been a Capricorn. [Tropically ]

I mentioned the feet on purpose, to show that I have Aries Rising feet. Pisces Rising feet are ideal for swimmers. Mine are perfect for drowning

Since you have both Tropical and Sidereal Pisces, you wont have any confusion. But then, imagine alleging 75% of extroverted Leos to be Cancers as per Sidereal, man, that would be embarrassing. The bigger problem is implying 75% of impatiently versatile Geminis as patient, practical, earthy and steadfast Taurus. Sorry man, Sidereal just does not work for me. Not after so much real world and real people analysis.

If you need a proper natal chart analysis done, please do not hesitate to email me.

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posted November 24, 2011 05:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yet another very useful ancient text, the Saravali by King Kalyana Ram.

Chapter 15 onwards looks interesting as there is a discussion of conjunctions that can bestow certain favors.

Chapter 22 discusses the effects of the Sun. http://www.astrojyoti.com/saravalipage4.htm

Very interesting perspective.

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lol

I always know what I'm about believe me!!!

It's u who don't know what are u r talking about.
Some examples again:

First he is immortal and KNOWS he'll rise afterwards.
With a HUUGE profit.

added later for clarification:
Every Cap or CEO, or etc. have to make sacrifices to get to the big prize.
Sleepless nights, neglected families, so on.

Well for planetary prize he did a lil bit more.


Speaking harsh truths to spread religion: if ur guessing again - it was just a woman begging for help.

Lack sheer impatience?? - cursed tree coz didn't have fruits when he saw it.

Made a whip n chased vendors out of the church - they were perfectly legit there it was part of jews religion.

Just try this in the mall for example.

Jesus did not establish the church - lol again u don't know what ur speaking about.

Words to Peter - I'll make u cornerstone of my church!


Now again at the end u come to the boiling point - who errors?!!
Half the world is on the one part-sidereal and swears in it so the other.


So even it could looks mind boggling millions are in BIG mistake.

Here fails your last argument!

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posted November 24, 2011 05:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for wavelink     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
But if u wish,

I could help u with your moon and the rest lol

Free too

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posted November 24, 2011 05:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for wavelink     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Yet another very useful ancient text, the Saravali by King Kalyana Ram.

Chapter 15 onwards looks interesting as there is a discussion of conjunctions that can bestow certain favors.

Chapter 22 discusses the effects of the Sun. http://www.astrojyoti.com/saravalipage4.htm

Very interesting perspective.



lol totally unconnected with the topic at hand

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