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lindisfarne
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posted November 28, 2011 04:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lindisfarne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How come any time you try to talk to them about an issue they never let you finish without exploding it into something it is not, they over-power your voice, will deny any kind of accusation (mostly true) deny any responsibility and will most often resort to physical violence to get you to leave them alone while in conversation?

I know two Aries suns with Aries mars who do this, one of them had a Leo moon and other Aries placements.
Aries suns paired with any other fire placements what's the best way to come to you about issues (communication something healthy people in healthy relationships do) without you shutting down and attacking them verbally/physically? How can these people expect to be in any healthy relationship when their partners try to talk to them and are instead getting bullied and at worse hit on (physical violence)?

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posted November 28, 2011 04:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls**     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What? I don't know any Aries that do this, and I know plenty of people with anger issues that aren't Aries. I suppose it's the combo of Sun & Mars... I do know one woman with Sun conjunct Mars in Gemini, opposite Uranus/Jupiter in Sag that does get physical, but no Aries placements.

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posted November 28, 2011 04:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lindisfarne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
luckily all the other Aries suns Ive met in shook and am best friends with one have a lot of Pisces in their chart! no fire mostly air or/and water. my best friend never hits or attempts to bully you when you wanna talk to her about an issue that involves her, she will listen sometimes blow it out of proportion get defensive but it's better than exploding and causing an unstable environment for people around you. my other Aries sun friend Pisces moon friend doesn't say anything at all! Which is a breath of fresh air compared to other explosive tantrums ive seen. I really have not met any other signs that get violent except Gemini and Aries and they have an abundance of fire in their chart..

I'm really serious how can you talk to them what things should you say, in order for them not to blow it out of proportion and get crazy? why do you have to resort to hitting others? How can people talk to you? I'm not even bashing I legitimately need to know. I live with one and work with one everyday it's not fun.

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posted November 28, 2011 04:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls**     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't know. I avoid confrontations (Libra Moon) with people unless absolutely necessary (if they start sh*t, I will finish it... Mars in Sag). I don't get physical though, I don't mind verbal altercations.

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posted November 28, 2011 04:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Capriquarius     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Omg, it's the Mars in Aries. My father is a Pisces with this Mars and he is constantly poking and shoving whoever he talks to. Or rather, talks AT. And he takes every challenge so personally.

I used to have a boss (female), an Aquarius with Mars in Aries, and every time I messed up I felt like she was going to punch me. She'd be all in my face, way too up close and personal.

Conclusion: I just can't deal with them. I pretend to give in and then go do what I want.

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posted November 28, 2011 04:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lindisfarne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Then it obviously is the ones that reside in my area
because the only violent/bully type of people I know are people strongly influenced by either Leo or Aries
Aries in a combative:/unable to understand the debth of the situation because unfortunately some innate immature childish side of their personality kicks in
making them unable to really get the perspective of things any comment or sentence even if little that slights them will make it impossible to even get anywhere, no resolution everyone seems to end up losing but in their eyes they've won because they didn't let you "defeat them" when that wasn't even the purpose of the confrontation/discussion..

Leo prideful perhaps..

this is just my situation I'm not saying all Aries influenced people are like this because thy aren't.. I would know I'm friends with them and they have a lot of water/air in their chart. but I'm wondering with these specific Aries how can you talk to them? Without them bullying others? I know other people have been through this just read lots of articles on it too but this is y experience with the rotten side of Aries so how can u handle it??

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posted November 28, 2011 05:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by lindisfarne:
How come any time you try to talk to them about an issue they never let you finish without exploding it into something it is not, they over-power your voice, will deny any kind of accusation (mostly true) deny any responsibility and will most often resort to physical violence to get you to leave them alone while in conversation?

I know two Aries suns with Aries mars who do this, one of them had a Leo moon and other Aries placements.
Aries suns paired with any other fire placements what's the best way to come to you about issues (communication something healthy people in healthy relationships do) without you shutting down and attacking them verbally/physically? How can these people expect to be in any healthy relationship when their partners try to talk to them and are instead getting bullied and at worse hit on (physical violence)?


Richard Kuklinski had an Aries sun with a Leo moon. He was one the mob's most infamous hitman during the 70's, 80's and early 90's. Killed at LEAST 500 men, and was barely traceable until his arrest in '92 (could be wrong on that.) Look up "The Ice Man"...

I'm an Aries with a Taurus moon but I only get that way with my mother. Really, it's just my mother. My dad and I get along great and have the same way of thinking. My mother? Not so much. When I need compassion and intuitive/empathic understanding I get harsh criticism and nitpicking. Nitpicking will bug an Aries the most. We see it as petty even if you think it's important. Little things can be left up to the individual to do themselves but what's important is the bigger picture (to Arians).

I'm often accused of having trouble communicating and am just now starting to realize what they mean. I wonder if other Arians are the following way as well. For instance, Aries are very blunt but I only find myself being blunt about things I have no stake in. When it comes to things that truly matter to me (like relationships) I pussy-foot around it and drop subtle hints. It bothers me when people aren't intuitive enough to be self-aware or be conscientious. When someone won't listen to me when I'm clearly trying to answer their plight ...that can really set me off! At that point I realize the person is nagging just to hear their own voice and not to really solve anything which then makes me realize I've been wasting my time so far and I get upset that there's no give and take. I only become enraged when someone won't leave me alone when clearly nothing is getting solved.

Communication to an Aries perhaps feels like an attack because many times the other person just wants to blame the Aries for upsetting them, and the Aries is like "Well, why didn't you just do this?" I don't know that Aries is able to take into consideration someone's heart. They love with all their being when they love but to understand another person's heart is something that requires a lot of patience for the other person. If you don't have that, then you're not a good fit for an Aries. For example, my Scorpio best friend always complains I never take her side. I said to her "Well, would you want me to be on your side but secretly disagree with you or be on your side when I was genuine about it?" for ME, as an Aries, I want someone who's genuine, sincere, and honest whether or not they agree with me. However, loyalty for Scorpios has more to do with having their back regardless of your SELF, and getting past the SELF is hard for Aries. It baffles me why she'd want me on her side anyway when I don't believe in her cause. To me, that's being fake but I really thought it was interesting and showed the way that two different signs and two different elements take things differently.

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posted November 28, 2011 05:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for maira     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm guessing you have an incompatible Mercury from your bad experiences.
Um, trying to remember the situations that annoyed me to the point of biting ones head off unnecessarily... If speaking about a touchy subject, try being as concise as possible, don't beat around the bush. Be frank and reasonable, but also prepared to confront the Aries. Lots of times, they'll back down if yelled at harder and/or emotionally manipulated so they feel sorry for what they did (Cancers are experts at this).

Aries Sun, Venus and Mars conjunct, Mercury in Pisces.


Later edit: I'm also a Taurus Moon and my mother is the only one who can press my buttons.

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posted November 28, 2011 05:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lindisfarne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Capriquarius:
Omg, it's the Mars in Aries. My father is a Pisces with this Mars and he is constantly poking and shoving whoever he talks to. Or rather, talks AT. And he takes every challenge so personally.

I used to have a boss (female), an Aquarius with Mars in Aries, and every time I messed up I felt like she was going to punch me. She'd be all in my face, way too up close and personal.

Conclusion: I just can't deal with them. I pretend to give in and then go do what I want.


You said it sister! that's how I feel with wit them these two like I can never do anything right at all.. always judging me always criticising I once said "if you don't like it so much then why don't you do it?" and I never got the end of it.

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posted November 28, 2011 05:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hubby has mars conjunct uranus square venus with aries in the 12th cusp. You look at him and the last thing you think is that he has anger management issues. He looks like he can't kill a fly. He is not dangerous but doesn't know how to handle his anger and screams and breaks things and he gets irritated easily with people. He also has moon in the 1st house so he is moody. All these combinations result in him having ugly adult temper tantrums is how I view it.

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posted November 28, 2011 05:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lindisfarne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Also I noticed walking away from them ****** them off even more!
I'm Someone that dont like abuse or physical violence
so sometimes I get so fed up I walk away and it ****** them off.. a lot more than you sitting there

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posted November 28, 2011 05:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DayandNight21     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have posted on an aries sun conjunct jupiter aries (talk about overblown ego and explanding sense of me first) before. She constantly distorts reality and derides facts I put forward!!!!!!!

She really went over the top this week though. All sorts of things really, then she went off for a weeks holiday. She is blunt AND nitpicky herself. I have similar chart placements however we have a terrible composite with things like a venus saturn (cold feelings towards each other) and not enough venus or jupiter to make up for it. There is a saturn pluto square which is very tight at 2 degree and this is like being chained together.

After her ringing me out of hours, sending me an email MISSIVE out of hours and giving me extra hours without consulting me; then arriving at work with her shortcut list of how we are not meeting her expectations I am ready to walk or be fired and unemployment used to faze me but with my work ethic and CV I should pick something else up and to be fair most anything else would be an improvement.

She has a horrible natal chart and I know her exact date of birth, her moon is in detriment in capricorn severely afflicted by the outer planets and her sun in aries is square saturn and in aspect to neptune and in tight opposition to pluto. Her chart has worse aspects than mine and I feel she takes her issues out on me. Sick of it. I emailed back a curt reply on something she had done and no apology from her. Then I just walked into work and she still put me down for the extra hours when I said no to them!!!!!!!!!!!!
Her deputy and my immediate manager on the other hand I have not had the same level of difficulty with. This deputy asked to work with me, so it is this Head manager who we have daily contact with that is a total nightmare.

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posted November 28, 2011 05:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for appleberry     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, I have Sun and Moon in Aries, Mars in Gemini. I am not like that but I will say we can be quite sensitive and feel attacked quite easily. But, I've heard there are always 2 kinds of Aries- the aggressive kind and the overly sensitive kind.

I think it's good to look at the 3rd house, Mercury and what Gemini controls as well, as these are all in control of communication.

I think I would agree with what others are saying with Mars in Aries, but also look at hard aspects to Mars. My Mars is square my Mercury but my Mercury is in Pisces... communication challenges but no violence. I end up more upset with myself than anything.


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posted November 28, 2011 05:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DayandNight21     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh and whenever she goes on holiday my performance at work goes up!
I find her oppressive, harsh and difficult to deal with.

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posted November 28, 2011 05:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NativelyJoan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
NO MOST Aries people do NOT behave this way. They are individuals like you and I with different traits, strengths and weaknesses.

I have Mars in Aries in the 1st and I have never nor would ever raise my voice at anyone or assert violence. I'm disgusted by violence and always choose diplomacy and tact when thrust into an argument. AND I have the strongest Mars in Aries placement of all being at home in the First House.

Singletons alone do not make a person violent or aggressive. It can't be stated enough that you've got to take into consideration the entire chart including aspects and house placements. I've known one volatile Mars in Aries person and they had dominant Capricorn and Saturn in their chart. They weren't physically abusive but they weren't afraid of biting your head off verbally. I had to distance myself from this person because it became to much to be around them. I don't blame their Mars in Aries for this behavior I've taken their whole chart into consideration and understand unfortunately that's just who they are.

It's unfortunate that you have to deal with people who are physically aggressive and volatile but it takes more then a sign placement here and an aspect there to make a person act out this way. My advice is avoid these people and let them deal with their issues. It's useless trying to understand why someone is abusive, those things go deeper than appearances and they're something those people will have to manage on their own. Worry about yourself and your own problems, don't waste energy on concerning your thoughts with trivialities.

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posted November 28, 2011 05:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No, most Aries aren't like this.

I can say that I have been more emotionally unstable this year, and I have admitted it. I've also been more argumentative and defensive, and I just found out that my progressed Mars has moved into Aries this year. I don't know if there is a correlation, or what it is. I find it interesting and sad, that people who have only met me this year, think I'm more immature, and defensive/self-centred, when I'm not usually this way - and in several areas, have managed to keep my cool. I have had it, though. I've really had it.

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posted November 28, 2011 05:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Betty Boop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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but I'm wondering with these specific Aries how can you talk to them? Without them bullying others?

You can't. If someone is really like this all the time (regardless of sign) - they have issues.. and I don't think there is a "how-to" manual in making them a better person.

I'm sorry.

If she is very abusive and she physically harms you - you can try to move out and end contact. That's about all I can think of. Are there any possibilities for you to move out? I can't remember how old you are.

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posted November 28, 2011 05:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for frankie2912     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
errr no...most Aries aren't like this.

i know a LOT of Aries, they are probably the most common sign in my life. my dad is an Aries, my mom has Aries moon, i have many many Aries friends..have had lovers and boyfriends who were Aries, too..

i butt heads with them and argue a LOT..Aries are the people i get in the most arguments with but they are usually not violent about it , they just get frustrated and i'm the type who just keeps drilling you and drilling you lol..i'd say i'm more likely to be the way you described Aries in your original post, and i have no Aries in my chart.

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posted November 28, 2011 05:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for frankie2912     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted November 28, 2011 05:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh and he has moon square sun and his mars and uranus land in the 6th so anger is usually triggered by work stress and financial worry.

So yes is very important to look at the whole chart and have the right time of birth and some people with mars in aries have mars in pisces in sidereal like my friend so they wont fit the mars in aries description as much.

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posted November 28, 2011 06:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BelligerentPygmy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by lindisfarne:
How come any time you try to talk to them about an issue they never let you finish without exploding it into something it is not, they over-power your voice, will deny any kind of accusation (mostly true) deny any responsibility and will most often resort to physical violence to get you to leave them alone while in conversation?

I know two Aries suns with Aries mars who do this, one of them had a Leo moon and other Aries placements.
Aries suns paired with any other fire placements what's the best way to come to you about issues (communication something healthy people in healthy relationships do) without you shutting down and attacking them verbally/physically? How can these people expect to be in any healthy relationship when their partners try to talk to them and are instead getting bullied and at worse hit on (physical violence)?


The thread title made me laugh lol.

I've interacted with a lot of Aries-influenced people and yeah, they're pretty combative. It's pretty much something you have to expect out of the sign, frankly. Always expect BS, always expect to have to tell them "I'm not gonna argue with you", always expect SOMEthing.

It's a fundamental part of who they are and it's not gonna change; they ARE ruled by Mars, after all...

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posted November 28, 2011 06:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lindisfarne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by amelia28:
hubby has mars conjunct uranus square venus with aries in the 12th cusp. You look at him and the last thing you think is that he has anger management issues. He looks like he can't kill a fly. He is not dangerous but doesn't know how to handle his anger and screams and breaks things and he gets irritated easily with people. He also has moon in the 1st house so he is moody. All these combinations result in him having ugly adult temper tantrums is how I view it.

Hey Amelia
I always wondered about the mars conjunct Uranus aspect I have read it could indatce erratic behavior mostly serious anger problems and someone having a hard time controlling it? does he have mars and Uranus in Aries..? or ? and square Venus? do you think a conjunction would amplify whatever energy exists?

it's always the people you don't expect. sound like you love your husband though Which I admire. your loyalty.... that's something that seems to be waning in society today (see Kim and Kris for example and other celebrities that rush to divorce over an issue)

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posted November 28, 2011 07:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Capriquarius     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This thread reminds me of something that really gets to me about guys with Venus in Aries. They expect girls to be upbeat and happy! And if you're tired or bored or just deep in thought, they point that out as though there's something wrong with that.

Especially annoying coming from a Taurus guy with Venus in Aries. So if some Taurus guy with Venus in Aries stumbles across this via Google: Hi Mr. Taurus, the next time you tell some chick she's boring or looks bored, TAKE A LOOK AT YOURSELF. If you weren't essentially passive and boring in nature then maybe you wouldn't project all of your desire for vibrance onto some anima in order to fill that void! Learn to develop these traits of initiative and energy and vibrance in yourself.

That is one way to really annoy an Aqua Moon: tell them how they should be feeling. If I'm bored then I'm bored and act bored and I'm not going to be more "animated" just to entertain you!

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@ thread: Lindisfarne, my mother is astrologically similar to you. She is a double Aquarius with strong Saturn influence and a water Moon. Mars in Aries has not been good for her emotionally. You'd think that Aqua and Aries are compatible because they're air and fire, but Aquarius' need for challenging the norm doesn't always go over well with Aries because they see it as another chance at a fight, not simply entertaining a thought.

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posted November 28, 2011 07:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lindisfarne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Capriquarius:
This thread reminds me of something that really gets to me about guys with Venus in Aries. They expect girls to be upbeat and happy! And if you're tired or bored or just deep in thought, they point that out as though there's something wrong with that.

Especially annoying coming from a Taurus guy with Venus in Aries. So if some Taurus guy with Venus in Aries stumbles across this via Google: Hi Mr. Taurus, the next time you tell some chick she's boring or looks bored, TAKE A LOOK AT YOURSELF. If you weren't essentially passive and boring in nature then maybe you wouldn't project all of your desire for vibrance onto some anima in order to fill that void! Learn to develop these traits of initiative and energy and vibrance in yourself.

That is one way to really annoy an Aqua Moon: tell them how they should be feeling. If I'm bored then I'm bored and act bored and I'm not going to be more "animated" just to entertain you!

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@ thread: Lindisfarne, my mother is astrologically similar to you. She is a double Aquarius with strong Saturn influence and a water Moon. Mars in Aries has not been good for her emotionally. You'd think that Aqua and Aries are compatible because they're air and fire, but Aquarius' need for challenging the norm doesn't always go over well with Aries because they see it as another chance at a fight, not simply entertaining a thought.


Wow that sucks did you guys go out on a date or something? Haha I find that when someone calls you out on "being Boring" when you are just in thought thu are the boring ones! They dont know how to be exciting or entertaining to they get off on calling you boring for simply thinking. I share your frustration... I've met people like that... they were the boring ones..

hm my Venus has progressed Into Aries I have no idea what that even means... any other exp with Aries? I'm sure they are great people tho

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posted November 28, 2011 07:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Capriquarius     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If your progressed Venus is in Aries then you're internally ready for passion and will have a boost in self-confidence to pursue an object of desire.

^ that's paraphrased from "The Art of Predictive Astrology" by Carol Rushman

You will at least have the energy to be more socially active than usual.

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Wow that sucks did you guys go out on a date or something? Haha I find that when someone calls you out on "being Boring" when you are just in thought thu are the boring ones! They dont know how to be exciting or entertaining to they get off on calling you boring for simply thinking. I share your frustration... I've met people like that... they were the boring ones..

If someone said that to me on a date then it would have been the last one...but no, it wasn't on a date lol. One of these guys was my ex's brother. Another was a coworker. What did he expect me to do, look excited about a pile of work on my desk? Sheesh...

But yeah, people do zero in on certain qualities in others that are underdeveloped within themselves, especially when they desire those qualities for themselves, consciously or otherwise.

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