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amelia28
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posted December 12, 2011 12:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
people who are addicted to it are psychologically addicted to it..it does not cause physical dependence.

You can smoke pot every day of your life and then go on vacation for a month were pot is illegal so you don't have access to it and you wont get any withdrawal symptoms.

You might miss it bec it helps you sleep good and helps you fall sleep but you wont craaaave it or need it! You will be able to enjoy your vacation just fine. You won't be thinking oohh I need some pot, nothing like cigarettes. If you do then you probably have an actual medical need for it. It helps some people with depression and mood disorders and anxiety disorders. It cures glaucoma, helps keep M.S. symptoms under control, reliefs arthritis and pain in general and has more anti cancer properties than cancerous properties hence it helps prevent cancer.

and if you smoke pot to go to sleep it doesn't cause the physical dependence that sleeping pills cause.

If you try crystal meth it doesn't matter how much of a non addictive personality you think you have this drug causes physical dependence after trying it a few times and its very dangerous, horrible for you health and alters your brain chemistry to the point that some crystal meth users later develop schizophrenia.

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posted December 12, 2011 11:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for freebrainstorms     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
that's exactly what i meant.

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posted December 12, 2011 11:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cynnared     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by anongrl10:
They both have Nept opp Mars in their charts. OP was asking how come she (OP) is not an addict whereas her friend is.


I deeply concur with the Mars-Neptune. In hard aspect is where I see it the most when I read charts for people. The Mars-Neptune square is wicked.

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posted December 12, 2011 11:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls**     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't really have an addictive personality. I've been smoking cigarettes regularly since I was 16 and I'm not even really addicted to that (I smoke a pack a week and I've gone weeks without smoking at all). I drink sometimes but never too much and I smoke weed occassionally. I've tried ecstasy/mdma (by far my favorite but it's hard to find), 2ct2/2ce and I've taken xanax and ritalin for fun. They're just fun sometimes. Like Freebrainstorms, its the Aqua/Sag in me that likes to experiment.

I know a few people who are straight edge and super militant about it and I just don't understand it. And my boyfriend, who drinks, has never tried weed. Kind of blows my mind lol. He's the only person I know who's never tried it. He has Saturn conjunct Neptune, but again, so does everyone born in 1989. I know drug addicts AND straight edge people who were born in 1989.

I would say my dad is an alcoholic and my mom rarely drinks... My dad is Taurus and my mom is a Pisces lol.

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posted December 12, 2011 12:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lindisfarne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Cynnared:
I deeply concur with the Mars-Neptune. In hard aspect is where I see it the most when I read charts for people. The Mars-Neptune square is wicked.

Ya but I am not addicted/don't consume drugs I the opposition

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posted December 12, 2011 12:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pandacake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I could be very wrong but I always thought it starts as a matter of interest and love. When you can't look at something rationally it can go wrong. They fall in love with the drugs and see no way out.

I have Sun and Venus in 12th house as well. My Sun squares Neptune, and Moon conjuncts Neptune. My Scorpio Moon is supposed to also make me prone to substance abuse.

But personally I was never interested in any soft or hard drugs. I'm not against it, it just leaves me indifferent. I was never enticed to even try it. My Pisces rising brother *loves* experimenting with drugs (he's not an addict though). He and other people tried to make me like booze, weed, hookah and whatnot but I just can't find any joy in it.

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posted December 12, 2011 12:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NativelyJoan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I find happiness in having a lucid mind, body, soul and spirit. I would never want to be numb to anything. Sensations and nerves, feeling things potently, even the slight ruffle of the tiny hairs on your arms from a swift breeze. Being completely lucid and alert, having only the chill of crisp air to fill your senses. I find living and breathing with lucidity the most enticing indulgence of all.

Astrology can't define everything, most people partake in alcohol and drug use for their own personal reasons.

Libra Sun, Aquarius Rising

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posted December 12, 2011 04:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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That said, knowing this, I will never go near or try heroin, meth, oxy, and speed and prescription pills don't interest me at all.[/B]


It sounds like you do your own research thoroughly bf deciding what to explore. Good for you.

have you tried DMT? it activates your pineal gland.

The pineal gland is unique in that it sits alone in the brain whose other parts are paired. It is the first gland to be formed in the foetus and is distinguishable at 3 weeks. When our individual life force enters our foetal body at 7 weeks, the moment in which we become truly human, it passes through the pineal and triggers the first primordial flood of DMT ( N-dimethyltryptamine). Later, at birth, the pineal releases more DMT. DMT is also capable of mediating pivotal experiences of deep meditation, shamanic states of consciousness, psychoses, spiritual emergence and near death experiences.

When we experience a shamanic journey our pulse rate increases at the same time that our blood pressure drops. This is also what happens as the body is preparing to die. As the life-force leaves our body through the pineal gland, another flood of DMT is released. I believe that the initial stages of a shamanic journey replicate this near death experience and so triggers DMT release in the brain.
http://www.bridgeofstars.co.uk/pineal-gland.htm

DMT trip lasts about 5 minutes to 20 minutes. Shamans do it for spiritual reasons and I think if I remember correctly you can go to a Shaman and try it legally that way.

The molecule DMT (N,N-Dimethyltryptamine) is a psychoactive chemical that causes intense visions and can induce its users to quickly enter a completely different "environment" that some have likened to an alien or parallel universe. The transition from our world to theirs occurs with no cessation of consciousness or quality of awareness. In this environment, beings often appear who interact with the person who is using DMT. The beings appear to inhabit this parallel realm. The DMT experience has the feel of reality in terms of detail and potential for exploration. The creatures encountered are often identified as being alienlike or elflike. Some of the creatures appear to be three-dimensional. Others appear to lack depth.

Author Terence McKenna has used DMT and feels that, "Right here and now, one quanta away, there is raging a universe of active intelligence that is transhuman, hyperdimensional, and extremely alien... What is driving religious feeling today is a wish for contact with this other universe." The aliens seen while using DMT present themselves "with information that is not drawn from the personal history of the individual."

DMT is also naturally produced in small quantities in the human brain, and it has been hypothesized that DMT is produced in the pineal gland in the brain. The pineal gland appears in the developing human fetus around 49 days after conception. Perhaps an embryo should not be considered human until DMT production commences. Note that "zygotic personhood" (the idea that a fertilized egg is a person) is a recent concept. For example, before 1869, the Catholic church believed that the embryo was not a person until it was 40 days old. Naturally occurring DMT may play a role in near-death experiences and alien-abduction experiences.
http://sprott.physics.wisc.edu/pickover/pc/dmt.html

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posted December 12, 2011 04:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BelligerentPygmy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
To answer the OP, I don't know if anyone else called it already so if they did, just ignore this but I'm pretty sure Saturn in the 1st mitigates things alot.

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posted December 12, 2011 07:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marty     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
I hate alcohol and any other unnatural substances including cigarettes. Now those things literally make me sick..

I live in Southern California so ya, I smoke often.

There is a huge conspiracy around marijunana. It actually CURES cancer and they don't want the majority getting their hands on it because the world would be more overpopulated than it is now. Anytime I am sick, one smoke and I am feeling a million times better!



It does cure cancer, i have seen an experiment they did on mice.. They injected them with the same cancer cells then treated them with all different stuff from coffee to lettice to rosemary to speed to THC.
Yep you guessed it, THC reduced the tumor to a minimal non-dangerous size and all the other rats died.
-interesting fact

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posted December 12, 2011 07:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RegardesPlatero     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted December 12, 2011 08:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NativelyJoan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by RegardesPlatero:
Your description of lucidity made me think of the Buddhist concept of mindfulness.

Thanks, what I'd consider lucidity is definitely reminiscent of Buddhist concepts. I'm not personally a Buddhist however I follow similar beliefs and ideologies.

I understand where you're coming from in your post. It's hard in life to take the good along with the bad, because the bad feels so awful. Alcohol and drugs can be very tempting. But I'm more concerned with why we find them tempting and if we are trying to medicate ourselves, what exactly are we trying to numb or heal. It's funny how we seem to medicate ourselves with the displeasure's in life more often then when we're in bliss. There's an imbalance here. We have the capacity to feel both pain and happiness however we give undue weight to happiness because of how we perceive that particular emotion in relation to others. I think we need to reassess the way we view each experience whether good or bad. If we understand that bliss and pain are just emotions that are transitional and that we can't control our capacity to experience them, we might move further along toward accepting the simple pleasures offered to us by living.

There's nothing like being lucid, it's as though a light could shine right through you, exposing the clarity of energy pulsating throughout your body. It's hard to live in the realm of crystal clear perception and sharp reality. I engage in mindfulness, unaware of intentionally practicing it. That's why drugs and alcohol are just not for me. But I support anyone's right to do as they please.

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posted December 12, 2011 09:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
I hate alcohol and any other unnatural substances including cigarettes. Now those things literally make me sick..

I live in Southern California so ya, I smoke often.

There is a huge conspiracy around marijunana. It actually CURES cancer and they don't want the majority getting their hands on it because the world would be more overpopulated than it is now. Anytime I am sick, one smoke and I am feeling a million times better!


Yes people smoke pot they rest better, handle stress better, are less likely to get cancer. It can cure cancer, glaucoma and relieves many symptoms of many different conditions. Its a plant that comes from earth. People would have longer lifespans and that is not what people in power want as people will continue reproducing and living longer and the more people there is the less control you can have over them. This then goes into limited resources which often times we are deluded into thinking that we are running out of resources when we are actually not to keep the prices up of that resource. Greed is the root of all evil.

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posted December 12, 2011 09:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marty     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Your right at first glance your friends chart looks healty but when you look deeper it gets a whole lot more complicated! The big cross stands out to me.. Firstly jupitar in 1st house..
glutten! --- to much of a good thing!
And being in libra..
Negatively afflicted this placement can make an individual want everything to be rosy posey all the time, and therefore hide from reality when things are too hard.. And it is negatively afflicted..
A person with this placement wants to live a high life but wants to attain it without hard work, without earning it!
Jupitar is quaring Mars in the 10th house, this would effect her ability to develope a career because this apsect shows lack of motivation. Jupiter is also squaring her 4th house uranus and neptune in capricorn this shows that her home situation and upbringing does not help this! And Jupitars opposition to venus in Aries in the 7th house.. I am unsure???? Any thoughts???? Cannot make up my mind on exactly how that would play out.. But this big grand cross stands out to me.. Grand crosses are notorious for lack of self discipline and failure, but...! if this is overcome they can go very far.. But it will be either one or the other and nowhere in between.. Grand crosses show karmic lessons that need to be learned.. "the person with a cross in their chart has a cross to bare".
I also noticed that Mercury is in Pisces in the 6th house squaring the Moon in Sag in the 3rd (the Sun is also in Pisces in the 6th house but its not squaring Moon) Problems with day to day communication and learning? Emotional outbirsts.. Sun and Mercury arnt typically happy in pisces, but mercury is at home in the 6th house, so the brain is active on a day to day basis but its in pisces lala land! Delusion, illusion, not facing reality, imagionation, rose coloured glasses, not caring about heath, lack of self discipline.. And the Moon in Sag shows firey lively emotions, fun loving but blunt, outbirsts of anger.. Having moon square mercury would be very confusing, especially where they are placed in her chart, and especially if the subject is taking drugs!!
This person would be very hard to understand and that is because they have yet to understand there self..
Libra asc, negatively afflicted, charming their way through life..
I can see how this chart is the person u are describing..
Node conjunct moon in Aries, shows that theres some past life emotional stuff.. Maybe to do with the mother.

Something that stands out to me with your chart is moon and venus in pisces in the 1st house arnt negatively afflicted, they look happy where they are.. And same goes for your sun and mercury conjunct ASC in the 12th house!
Hope that helped

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posted December 12, 2011 09:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marty     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think the key with this one is to look at the aspects and to see whether the planets are happy where they are or not

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posted December 13, 2011 12:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for freebrainstorms     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by amelia28:
It sounds like you do your own research thoroughly bf deciding what to explore. Good for you.

there was no point re-quoting your long post. no i've never tried dmt but i've obviously heard of it DMT: the spiit molecule and whatnot and we carry terence mckenna's books at my work, so i've heard of him. i definitely do my research first, my body is extremely sensitive to all stimulents (i.e. drugs and alcohol), and things tend to hit me faster and harder than they do to others, even if we take the same amount. i'd definitely have to do a bit more research into DMT, since they kind of lost me when they start talking about the chemical makeup of it and stuff. would you recommend it, and is it somewhat like salvia? (i've never done it, but i've been with people while they were on it)

i smoke weed occasionally, do shrrooms, e/mdma, acid (only done it once so far, but they'll be more times), and to whoever mentioned it earlier on in the post - yes i've tried laced pot (once with coke and once with speed) I've also tried ritalin (i found it pretty stupid though) and coke (not really a huge fan, but i've done it numerous times) and hash and i'm not sure if i'm missing anything....

amowls** - MDMA and E are my favourite drugs too! yeah it's all about experimentation hey. i only smoke cigarettes when they're free hehe


Sorry I didn't mean to take over your thread!! i'll stop now.

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posted December 13, 2011 01:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
well I stay away from anything that causes physical dependence. Use to smoke cigarettes but quit and haven't smoked in years and don't want to.

DMT is something our body produces naturally through the pineal gland. Here is a video that explains how the trip is and its origin in very simple terms:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0A99aJBUJ4o&feature=related

For fun:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4Zv1lsjfr8&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3h2mJnvRbZ8&feature=related

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posted December 13, 2011 02:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lindisfarne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Marty:
Your right at first glance your friends chart looks healty but when you look deeper it gets a whole lot more complicated! The big cross stands out to me.. Firstly jupitar in 1st house..
glutten! --- to much of a good thing!
And being in libra..
Negatively afflicted this placement can make an individual want everything to be rosy posey all the time, and therefore hide from reality when things are too hard.. And it is negatively afflicted..
A person with this placement wants to live a high life but wants to attain it without hard work, without earning it!
Jupitar is quaring Mars in the 10th house, this would effect her ability to develope a career because this apsect shows lack of motivation. Jupiter is also squaring her 4th house uranus and neptune in capricorn this shows that her home situation and upbringing does not help this! And Jupitars opposition to venus in Aries in the 7th house.. I am unsure???? Any thoughts???? Cannot make up my mind on exactly how that would play out.. But this big grand cross stands out to me.. Grand crosses are notorious for lack of self discipline and failure, but...! if this is overcome they can go very far.. But it will be either one or the other and nowhere in between.. Grand crosses show karmic lessons that need to be learned.. "the person with a cross in their chart has a cross to bare".
I also noticed that Mercury is in Pisces in the 6th house squaring the Moon in Sag in the 3rd (the Sun is also in Pisces in the 6th house but its not squaring Moon) Problems with day to day communication and learning? Emotional outbirsts.. Sun and Mercury arnt typically happy in pisces, but mercury is at home in the 6th house, so the brain is active on a day to day basis but its in pisces lala land! Delusion, illusion, not facing reality, imagionation, rose coloured glasses, not caring about heath, lack of self discipline.. And the Moon in Sag shows firey lively emotions, fun loving but blunt, outbirsts of anger.. Having moon square mercury would be very confusing, especially where they are placed in her chart, and especially if the subject is taking drugs!!
This person would be very hard to understand and that is because they have yet to understand there self..
Libra asc, negatively afflicted, charming their way through life..
I can see how this chart is the person u are describing..
Node conjunct moon in Aries, shows that theres some past life emotional stuff.. Maybe to do with the mother.

Something that stands out to me with your chart is moon and venus in pisces in the 1st house arnt negatively afflicted, they look happy where they are.. And same goes for your sun and mercury conjunct ASC in the 12th house!
Hope that helped


Sounds like her perfectly. I do think she will die very young. Very unfortunate. She doesn't like to work very lazy, wants things done for her expects to go very far in life without moving a finger really, very delusional, always lying. When I was in touch with her daily I'd ask how school was going she would always say "great I'm doing well... passing everything" turns out she has not stepped foot into the facility for 6 months!

She is doing hardcore drugs too, friends all tell me this she has lost tremendous weight and looks emanciated, loves to party loves the wild life, wants everything handed to her for free. She rarely goes home, bad home life, mostly with her mother as far as I do know..

I want to help her I wish anything I would say would turn that switch on for her but it never has. Everyone expects her life to end shortly, unfortunately she has nothing going for her, likes to lie and sleep around and tell everyone what a great life she is living shelled about everything she is not living a good life at all, binning off of people, stealing, using you name it. it's so awful really wish I could get her into shape but she's been like this for 5 years now. Sweet girl, but out of touch with reality.

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posted December 13, 2011 03:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
WOw a grand cross must be really hard to overcome!!

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posted December 13, 2011 08:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
lindisfarne;

You're putting "your friend" down here and I can say you're very harsh against her. You should accept the fact that your paradise is not for her. A true friend will accept the person as the way she is, with her flaws, with her mistakes, with her shortcomings...

You're predicting her death to be at a young age. You know, by muttering this, you're creating the energy and indeed it's becoming a wish of yours for her.

She is doing drugs so she will die at a young age ?

I have been drugs since I am 15. I did hard drugs except heroin. Sometimes, I did a lot, sometimes I did less. Now that I am 37, I only smoke pot and sometimes when I am in party mood I go for coke. And knock the wood, thank the universe so far I am healtier than people I know who are not doing drugs. I know many men on their 70's and still smoking pot, drinking every day.

You think, she can't be succesful because she is doing drugs ?

I am considered to be a success in life.
I am good at what I do, I earn quite good money and all my life I've supported my family while my "clean" brother causing a mess all the time.

My friends who are addicted as well, I can say they are all "ace". Good job, good performance in life... great people.

You say you do not have any kind of addiction ? Are you sure ? You know that "drug" is not the only type of addiction on this planet earth right?
Can be drugs, can be sex, can be watching to much TV, can be too much chocolate.. can be just anything..

I have Mars conjuct Neptune.
I have grand crosses and many other hard aspects in my chart. Thank god, there was pot to lean on during my teen years.. I always say smoking pot kept me alive and helped me to carry on in the darkest hours of my life.

But of course, whatever you do in excess will cause problems in life. It's not the substance you use, it's the way you use it cause problems. Be an intelligent user and
make it work for you not destroy you !

And never talk too big ! One day, you might find yourself addicted to drugs. People like you usually prefers to use anti deprassants though.

I read an article about " can the drug usage be a basic instinct?" It was a very interesting article and it rings true.


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posted December 13, 2011 11:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls**     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by amelia28:
Yes people smoke pot they rest better, handle stress better, are less likely to get cancer. It can cure cancer, glaucoma and relieves many symptoms of many different conditions. Its a plant that comes from earth. People would have longer lifespans and that is not what people in power want as people will continue reproducing and living longer and the more people there is the less control you can have over them. This then goes into limited resources which often times we are deluded into thinking that we are running out of resources when we are actually not to keep the prices up of that resource. Greed is the root of all evil.

This is interestig. I have a friend who smokes cigarettes (a pack a day) and also smokes a lot of weed. He went to the doctor and she told him that you couldn't even tell that he smoked cigarettes at all! As if the weed cured it or something.

In high school, I remember reading an article in the Washington Post that said that weed might actually prevent lung cancer.

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