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lindisfarne
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posted December 10, 2011 03:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lindisfarne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Is it inability to handle reality? I don't get it. I don't mean to stereotype but why is it that most drug dependent people I know/knew(no longer associate myself with) are Piscean?

That wouldn't make sense though it's not fair for mento say strongly Neptune influenced folks would be prone to drug dependence and usage. Because I find a lot of my planets and asteroids in House 12. But I do not have an addictive personality (I get bored easily.. don't stick to things for too long but sometimes come back around) I don't get dependent on drugs (don't see how anyone could..) I've used drugs (natural) and i don't get addicted. Most I've done was marijuana.. never got addicted to that whereas Piscean people I know need it everyday, and don't get me started on the drinking. Alcohol is water for them. whenever I would go out to a party with them, alcohol HAD to be there in order for a good time to occur. I'd probably have a sip or two but was better off not having anything. I just don't get it. It's not a teenage thing I know grownups that need drugs to live. It makes 0 sense to me. I myself don't see how anyone can become dependent. Cause I can easily detach from it. I'm not saying this to sound "above" it I'm genuinely curious... how others can be so drug dependent/abusive whereas others aren't? I have a packed 12th house isn't that Neptunes house? I would presume that would be telling of someone that needs some drug to alter harsh realities? but I'm someone that prefers reality...

I'll post my friends chart for comparison to mine.


friends chart (has a huge drug addiction)

See? She has no planets in her 12th house but I do? She's dependent on drugs, really doesn't like reality, whereas I am not dependent on drugs and don't mind reality. Is Neptune the only planet here?

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posted December 10, 2011 03:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenegoddess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have a thing for marijuana... I have Moon conjunct Neptune. I think it means we have trouble experiencing life the way the physical world really is, so we seek to escape to something much more fufilling.

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posted December 10, 2011 03:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for anongrl10     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
yeah it's very neptunian
the world is easier on the eyes through the rose glasses of neptunean addictions

Edit: I feel (just a theory) Saturn has something to do with not giving in to Nept addictions.

PS: Neptune is conj my MC and opposite my Moon (wide orb). No drugs here; I don't even smoke; drink is not water for me; a nice red can accompany dinner and that's that (most of the times I don't even finish it lol).
I think in a sense Neptune is the most misunderstood planet in my chart. LOL

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posted December 10, 2011 03:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lindisfarne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
I have a thing for marijuana... I have Moon conjunct Neptune. I think it means we have trouble experiencing life the way the physical world really is, so we seek to escape to something much more fufilling.

marijuana isn't a bad drug. i prefer that than anything else it's the furthest I am willing to go. the most I smoke is 3-5 times in a single year. do you smoke it all the time?

Because majority of Piscean people I know need it to survive+ MDMA, e, worse, cocaine, with alcohol even abusing prescription pills. I don't understand.. I try to....

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posted December 10, 2011 03:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RegardesPlatero     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted December 10, 2011 03:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenegoddess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I hate alcohol and any other unnatural substances including cigarettes. Now those things literally make me sick..

I live in Southern California so ya, I smoke often.

There is a huge conspiracy around marijunana. It actually CURES cancer and they don't want the majority getting their hands on it because the world would be more overpopulated than it is now. Anytime I am sick, one smoke and I am feeling a million times better!

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posted December 10, 2011 03:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lindisfarne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Also what explains her need to lie about everything? You can't have a rational discussion with her, anything that deals with reality is off limits Its like dealing with a brick wall. The friendship was strained I couldn't deal with her bad lifestyle. She is lazy, which is so sad she's a beautiful attractive girl, and smart but you know going out drinking, stealing, using people, doing drugs, is more fruitful for her I guess. What explains the incessant need to run from reality? The last convo I had with her around last week, I asked if she had a job and she took it offensively lmao! the girl doesn't work she's basically a living leech, as best as I can describe. Would love to help her but I don't know she's the perfect candidate for A&E's intervention

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posted December 10, 2011 03:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RegardesPlatero     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted December 10, 2011 03:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lindisfarne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by anongrl10:
yeah it's very neptunian
the world is easier on the eyes through the rose glasses of neptunean addictions

Edit: I feel (just a theory) Saturn has something to do with not giving in to Nept addictions.

PS: Neptune is conj my MC and opposite my Moon (wide orb). No drugs here; I don't even smoke; drink is not water for me; a nice red can accompany dinner and that's that (most of the times I don't even finish it lol).
I think in a sense Neptune is the most misunderstood planet in my chart. LOL


Going off your theory, is Saturn does impede on giving into Neptune addictions she has Aquarius Saturn like me. Why does that not impede on her addictions? I have Saturn in Aquarius like her. Conjunct Ascendent. She has Libra rising. Im trying to make the connection. I have 12th house planets. she does not etc. Trying so hard to understand. I'm willing to bet the friends I know with drug problems/lack of prioritizing in life have little to no planets in 12th house whereas I do. But I rarely touch drugs, even offered its a no for me whereas they'll be glad to consume more they can handle.

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posted December 10, 2011 03:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lindisfarne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@Athena
how do you know marijuana cures cancer?
Depends on how it's consumed. I think usin a vaporizer is more beneficial. The tar and residue is still in marijuana, imagine consuming all of that + build up. Might still have similar detrimental affects as smoking nicotine.

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posted December 10, 2011 03:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenegoddess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://lightworkers.org/node/135978

That is how I know.

ALSO, I personally know someone who had brain cancer and the doctor prescribed him weed just for the pain but he ended up getting rid of the cancer and I don't think it had anything to do with the shiz the doctor was giving him.. well besides the weed.

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posted December 10, 2011 04:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lindisfarne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
http://lightworkers.org/node/135978

That is how I know.

ALSO, I personally know someone who had brain cancer and the doctor prescribed him weed just for the pain but he ended up getting rid of the cancer and I don't think it had anything to do with the shiz the doctor was giving him.. well besides the weed.


Interesting... wonder why government doesn't want to legalize something beneficial for humans. It's natural. The debate about marijuana is long going. I know it's illegal but people still smoke it regardless. I think the laws here in Canada are a lot more lenient than in America. The best thing I've got to say about marijuana is that it aids in my momentary insomnia

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posted December 10, 2011 04:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenegoddess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You wonder why the government doesn't want to legalize something good for people?


HAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAH!!!!!!

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posted December 10, 2011 04:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for anongrl10     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by lindisfarne:
Going off your theory, is Saturn does impede on giving into Neptune addictions she has Aquarius Saturn like me.

Saturn in signs is generational. Look at the houses. Your Saturn is in the 1st house conj ASC. Hers in the 5th. Her tight Sat-Pluto square tells me that she has some important lessons to learn about "obeying" Saturn in the 5th...

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posted December 10, 2011 04:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lindisfarne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by anongrl10:
Saturn in signs is generational. Look at the houses. Your Saturn is in the 1st house conj ASC. Hers in the 5th. Her tight Sat-Pluto square tells me that she has some important lessons to learn about "obeying" Saturn in the 5th...


Saturn in 5th house.... limits creativity?

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posted December 10, 2011 04:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for anongrl10     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Comparing you two, you have a lucky Sun/Merc trine to Jup. Her Jup and Merc are afflicted. She will come through. She's more intense than you with her Pluto trining her Sun. She needs to grow up and she will -eventually (Pluto influence).

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posted December 10, 2011 04:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for anongrl10     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by lindisfarne:
Saturn in 5th house.... limits creativity?

In her chart, it indicates possible issues at home (Saturn rules her 4th). She's using 5th house activities (drugs etc.) as an outlet. As I wrote above, her Pluto will shape her up. But first she needs to learn the lessons. She will get really bad before she gets good.
Unfortunately.

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posted December 10, 2011 04:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for anongrl10     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted December 10, 2011 04:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lindisfarne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by anongrl10:
In her chart, it indicates possible issues at home (Saturn rules her 4th). She's using 5th house activities (drugs etc.) as an outlet. As I wrote above, her Pluto will shape her up. But first she needs to learn the lessons. She will get really bad before she gets good.
Unfortunately.

Well she does have serious issues at home that's true

so what does 5th contribute to? activities? acting out outlets etc?

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posted December 10, 2011 04:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for anongrl10     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by lindisfarne:
Well she does have serious issues at home that's true

Not surprised with Saturn being the ruler of the 4th, and Neptune/Uranus in it, poor girl. Lack of stability, lies, and possible deprivation of parental love.

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so what does 5th contribute to? activities? acting out outlets etc?

5th house is the house of fun, light-hearted activities, joy, casual sex, gambling, creativity, kids, etc. It's the natural house of Leo, ruled by the Sun.

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posted December 10, 2011 04:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for scrappydog     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Neptune-mars is THE worst aspect for potential drug addiction/alcoholism. I would say sun-neptune for the second. Ive known a lot of hardcore drug addicts and the absolute two worst I have ever know both had sun/neptune/mars conjunction. One had it in scorpio,all 0 deg apart(crackhead, spent most of his 50 years in prison for all kinds of stealing, he would rob his own momma) and the other had it in sag 1 or 2 deg(extreme alcoholic and dyling of liver failure at 30).

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posted December 10, 2011 04:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for scrappydog     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Read up on mars neptune aspects and you will better understand why this combination often turns to drugs, its infamous for that.

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posted December 10, 2011 05:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for anongrl10     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by scrappydog:
Neptune-mars is THE worst aspect for potential drug addiction/alcoholism.

They both have Nept opp Mars in their charts. OP was asking how come she (OP) is not an addict whereas her friend is.

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posted December 10, 2011 05:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for frankie2912     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
FYI not all people who do "drugs" are 'unable to face reality' ... there are many, MANY other reasons people do drugs...for fun & pleasure, for pain relief, for stress relief, for expanding and altering one's perspective, for spiritual reasons, etc.

i dont think astrology can pinpoint a reason why. it's a human thing.

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posted December 10, 2011 05:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for downtomars     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree about Mars/Neptune.

I have Mars opp Neptune and I am strongly anti-drug. Even in high school, my friends would smoke pot and I was the "no thanks" girl. I've never tried it, never want to because it doesn't seem like fun to me. I actually like to be in my right mind! It is so funny when I read Mars opp Neptune interpretations and they go on and on with "stay away from drugs and alcohol!!!". I don't (and can't) drink that often and drugs are so boring.

However...

I have dated quite a few men who have struggled/are struggling with alcoholism. Mars in the 5th opposes Neptune in the 11th, womp womp.

One of my exes has Mars conjunct Neptune almost exact and, the last I knew, he was still drinking. Another friend has Mars square Neptune and he says that he would rather get high than have sex (!!!).

I'll add Sagittarius to the mix though. I know lots of Sag Suns who indulge a lot but they aren't quite "addicted"...

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