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woah cakes
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posted December 11, 2011 03:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for woah cakes     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thanks amelia i like what you say here: "Practice been upfront about what you want. Its a good habit and that way everyone knows who you are and who ever is meant to stay in your life will in spite of what you are like."

i agree with this. my SO has his NN in gemini and i *just* started looking into it (skimmed about 3 pages in my NN book) and it seems to be really difficult gem NNs to articulate their thoughts, needs and wants. i haven't gotten the whole 'energy' of the placement down yet but there seems to be a strong fear of failure at the heart of it. like, they will reject so as not to be rejected. i will add more later when i've read the whole chapter (which i intend to do soon). and yeah 8th house NN is afraid to 'let go' into a mutually fulfilling give and take intimacy because we are so used to doing things our way (the hard way). i should brush up on that chapter as well since i know i personally struggle with it!

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posted December 11, 2011 03:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for woah cakes     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
and amelia, i also agree with your points on unconditional love. of course we all struggle with working through our feelings in order to come to such a place but there's no sense holding something (judgement) over someone's head if they are obviously willing to learn from their mistakes. and none of us is perfect!

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posted December 11, 2011 03:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for woah cakes     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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You have a way with words! I'm laughing so much (but i'm taking you serious so don't think otherwise) Yes, as I evolve I'm growing away from all things Sun Sign, and more towards deeper needs to understand. This is why I do want to focus more on my NN and how to keep evolving with that. It's funny how much of a tomboy I was, very numb, you couldn't get me to cry prior to the age of about 23 and I did indeed feel like an android! However now, I do long for the right fit I guess and to let down my guards. Hell, when I do drop a tear I feel like I need to jab my own jaw and deem it as being "soft", it's unreal. But that's in my heart, and the power trip has my head in the "game" I did attribute (somewhat) the Capricorn feel of my chart. Behaving real scary and the fear of rendering my "power" should I become so transparent. It's very interesting to read the correlations of a chart to how we are. No it's not the be all, end all but I enjoy the responses to see how everyone perceives it! Yes indeed.


yeah, wow, i can see all that based on your chart. the inherent strength in both scorpio rising and aqua sun, the courage of aries moon and the tough shell of capricorn would make it difficult for you to feel able to relax with your emotions. emotions are not weakness though; we all have them and it's how we work WITH them that counts. so i think if you repress or push them away they will just manifest as complications or problems in order to get your attention, you know? i have pisces SN and moon in my 4th so i feel emotions pretty readily and i think of them as a sort of lubrication, like an intuitive communication with my deeper self that informs me of what is going on, or what i need to work through, or whatever.

i think also with your taurus DC you need someone really uncomplicated and relaxed in order to be able to feel that way yourself and to feel secure in your desire for comfort and intimacy which would also make your cappy placements very happy too . do you know any taurus men?

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posted December 11, 2011 03:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for nordicsoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i think jupiter afflicted may play a role.

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amelia28
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posted December 11, 2011 04:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Betty Boop:
Unless she wants to explain herself

Just wanted to say - Aquavixen - I am not personally judging. I was genuinely curious as to what makes you feel like you cannot have an open relationship.

& To explain *my*self... or my own curiosity...
It's because I have an Aries Sun in the 11th and a stellium in Cappy (Moon/Mars/Neptune) - plus Venus-opp-Pluto(Scorp) - which is kind of similar to the influences in your chart.. I am actually a confrontational person so if I had a higher sex drive than I actually do & I wanted to have sex with multiple partners - I wouldn't hide it. I'm just surprised that you 'hide' it.


Betty you are right , unless ofcourse she wants to explain herself.

...and I know you are not been judgmental, I have a lot of respect for you. You are clearly a very strong independent confident smart woman Betty and I really respect that and look up to those traits you possess.

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posted December 11, 2011 04:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lindisfarne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Cheaters should do themselves and the world at large a favor: don't get involved in a relationship.

unless that person knows about it, but then that might not even count as cheating as they are consenting
open up the idea of an open relationship.

makes the entire world happier, more trusting less douche-baggy.

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posted December 11, 2011 10:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Intense_Aquavixen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by amelia28:
Intense aquavix,

A lot of people on this board project their own fears on others. You are not here to explain yourself, you started a thread to reach more understanding in a subject related to you. Nobody in this board is god.

Also, I Have gotten hurt really bad and I didn't spend my time hating him but trying to understand him as a person and took full responsibility for my healing. I read that you need to built up a lot of resilience before you meet your soulmate and getting hurt many times is how you built up that resilience.

So if in my next lifetime or in this one I am cheated on by my husband..I will work it out with him or let him go and if I let him go I will stay friends. In other words I will approach the situation from a place of UNCONDITIONAL LOVE. Why? because my concern is not keeping scores my concern is to not let others have control over how I feel and to grow as much as possible so I can ascend to another dimension. By approaching situation from a place of unconditional love I eliminate karma so I dont have to keep coming back and working out karma with lovers or husbands.

What can I say people like to feel sorry for themselves instead of working on the hard lesson of unconditional love and this same people want to find their twin soul. Well they wont until they learn how to love unconditional and take responsibility for their own healing. Feeling sorry for yourself is not going to attract your twin flame. Unconditional love and resilience will attract your twin flame.

Aquavix it sounds like you are currently single. If I were you I will take advantage of this and only get involved with people who are open to having open relationships from now on. That way you can be who you are free without having to hide.


Love everything stated, it's truth, you have your opinion as well, and its valid in my eyes. And a tad bit more clarity to this is (for all other commentators), I'm very aware that I'm still evolving with life in general. So as mentioned before, the guys I dealt with were persistent enough to seek a "relationship" and I see no harm in the attempt to have one. Relationships bring about growth and that's my thing, and I D**n sure don't mind stepping up to challenges.

What I didn't care to do, was do a complete and total spill about my personal life as if to want either a pity party or some serious tongue lashing, Haha...I didn't care to have that at all hence the defense mode arose immediately at first. If I must add anything, it's that when those particular men raised my skepticism, a huge cloud of intuition settled over me. I could never PROVE anything at the time. And I despise investigating to catch anybody. But the intuition, brought about numbness and hence forth cheating. Wasn't until much time later that I was proven correct...I was being cheated on.

HOWEVER!!! even with the added text above, that's not to pity my actions. Which is why I didn't care to go there with the earlier responses of "judgement" I am still guilty of cheating w/o proof of being cheated on initially. I am still guilty of not ending things but instead being I suppose "vengeful" And I indeed am confrontational but I'm very very tactical when beginning confrontation. Meaning I sit on what I know to attack and attack hard. I'm not the person to fly into rage until I'm locked and loaded with all ammo basically.

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posted December 11, 2011 11:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Intense_Aquavixen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by woah cakes:

yeah, wow, i can see all that based on your chart. the inherent strength in both scorpio rising and aqua sun, the courage of aries moon and the tough shell of capricorn would make it difficult for you to feel able to relax with your emotions. emotions are not weakness though; we all have them and it's how we work WITH them that counts. so i think if you repress or push them away they will just manifest as complications or problems in order to get your attention, you know? i have pisces SN and moon in my 4th so i feel emotions pretty readily and i think of them as a sort of lubrication, like an intuitive communication with my deeper self that informs me of what is going on, or what i need to work through, or whatever.

i think also with your taurus DC you need someone really uncomplicated and relaxed in order to be able to feel that way yourself and to feel secure in your desire for comfort and intimacy which would also make your cappy placements very happy too . do you know any taurus men?


I really admire your interpretations. Forthright and with enough finesse to not rile me up What you conveyed about feelings not being a weakness THAT is indeed a lesson to be learned because the hardness while advantageous in certain arenas of life, I know you can believe me when I see it's provoking, and putting off and by no means should anyone feel so proud of being unemotional and rather detached. It's an internal war going on up in here!!!

So when I see how, once being wronged or just the mere skepticism of being wronged...pivots me down the road of cheating instead of bouncing it's not something to be content with. I mean come on, I'm not a high school kid (not to imply all of them are too careless) I can seriously FEEL changes coming on with me. And while foreign, I'm slowly excited about changing the attitude/behaviors.

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posted December 11, 2011 11:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Intense_Aquavixen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by woah cakes:

i think also with your taurus DC you need someone really uncomplicated and relaxed in order to be able to feel that way yourself and to feel secure in your desire for comfort and intimacy which would also make your cappy placements very happy too . do you know any taurus men?

I have met quite a few Taureans in this lifetime. I dated ONE very briefly. He was just a toxic guy period and I knew that guy when we were scrawny teenagers. As time evolved a lot of skeletons came out that guys closet


The two ones I know of now are just acquaintances and nothing about them appeals to me at the moment. One is very deep, very reserved and a man of few words. The other one is super optimistic but a pure ladies man in reference to enjoying a lot of attention from a plethora of women. But no, nothing concrete ever...

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posted December 11, 2011 11:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
aquavix,

I look beneath the surface and am very intuitive. I have noticed how you interact in the board and can tell you have a good heart and are really nice.

I read your question in this thread and kept it astrological and did not think anything bad of you for a second nor asked for further details.

you gave so little detail in your intro that it was obvious that you left a lot out and I respected that and I didn't ask for details or judged your for a second. Your path is very personal and is yours and that is what is beautiful about it and nobody can take that away from you.

you are a smart women and you will find a balance that YOU ARE HAPPY WITH.

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posted December 11, 2011 11:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Intense_Aquavixen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by amelia28:
aquavix,

I look beneath the surface and am very intuitive. I have noticed how you interact in the board and can tell you have a good heart and are really nice.

I read your question in this thread and kept it astrological and did not think anything bad of you for a second nor asked for further details.

you gave so little detail in your intro that it was obvious that you left a lot out and I respected that and I didn't ask for details or judged your for a second. Your path is very personal and is yours and that is what is beautiful about it and nobody can take that away from you.

you are a smart women and you will find a balance that YOU ARE HAPPY WITH.


Awwwww, thank you. Thank you for your knowledge and of course understanding!!! I am taking the many msgs of you and the others, and absorbing what I can as far as astrology is concerned. There were great personal character opinions/advice made as well with you and a few others (certain ones, of course know I don't give a **** about) However back to reality, the everyday mundane, human nature of things, yeah...I am working on my vices too and I won't make any excuses on them.

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posted December 12, 2011 12:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for woah cakes     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
well.. i am an aqua stellium myself so emotions freak me out/annoy me but i love a challenge as well and i think being very sensitive at the same time (i'm pretty much all mutuable and fixed w/only one cardinal placement, pluto, so it is strong which adds another strange layer) forces me to reconcile my feelings and my preference for thinking. my taurus moon tends to neutralize and balance things out, like a mediator or something, though so i'm pretty fortunate to have that and it is easy enough to 'shelve' emotions via my aqua placements for later consideration; in fact i sort of make a game of it whereby if i feel upset or confused emotionally i pause the feeling and then just go about my day, keeping it in mind and hoping the solution will come to me and/or that i will find a tool for dealing with it which i usually tend to at some point if i am consciously open to it. it's when i try to ignore feelings altogether that i get myself in a mess..

oh i'm totally blah blahbbling aren't i.

that is interesting that you sensed you were being cheated on and decided to make it even, as it were. that takes guts and yeah there is an element of carelessness in that obviously but i'm more interested in taking the glimmers of light in your story and working with them; you have an astute perception obviously and it must have hurt you in order for you to have sought revenge, so there you go, you're human afterall and an intuitive one at that! for now i would not worry too much about not being proud of yourself or guilt; just understanding that circumstances and your sense of justice at the time cocreated your behaviour should be enough for you to realize where you over and undershot and maybe part of it is learning to choose better partners as well?

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posted December 12, 2011 12:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Intense_Aquavixen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by woah cakes:
well.. i am an aqua stellium myself so emotions freak me out/annoy me but i love a challenge as well and i think being very sensitive at the same time (i'm pretty much all mutuable and fixed w/only one cardinal placement, pluto, so it is strong which adds another strange layer) forces me to reconcile my feelings and my preference for thinking. my taurus moon tends to neutralize and balance things out, like a mediator or something, though so i'm pretty fortunate to have that and it is easy enough to 'shelve' emotions via my aqua placements for later consideration; in fact i sort of make a game of it whereby if i feel upset or confused emotionally i pause the feeling and then just go about my day, keeping it in mind and hoping the solution will come to me and/or that i will find a tool for dealing with it which i usually tend to at some point if i am consciously open to it. it's when i try to ignore feelings altogether that i get myself in a mess..

oh i'm totally blah blahbbling aren't i.

that is interesting that you sensed you were being cheated on and decided to make it even, as it were. that takes guts and yeah there is an element of carelessness in that obviously but i'm more interested in taking the glimmers of light in your story and working with them; you have an astute perception obviously and it must have hurt you in order for you to have sought revenge, so there you go, you're human afterall and an intuitive one at that! for now i would not worry too much about not being proud of yourself or guilt; just understanding that circumstances and your sense of justice at the time cocreated your behaviour should be enough for you to realize where you over and undershot and maybe part of it is learning to choose better partners as well?


No you weren't blabbing in my opinion (I adore dialogue especially while learning whether good or not so good) Thank you for your input and perception as well. The Aqua thing can be flipping hilarious right? Great thing to further the study of astrology and see how our individual planet placements, modalities as well, hone our uniqueness from basically one Aqua to another Aqua and so forth. I find you very knowledgeable amongst everyone else (all responders) but I get where you're going with the choice in partners too. Yeahhh, back then my desires overshadowed the substance of the kinds of guys I chose to be with. Hell, I didn't even know myself yet, hence the said behaviors. Ehh, I could type more on that but yeah, those were younger days and growth is so ongoing. So high 5 to that! Again I appreciate the responses indeed

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posted December 12, 2011 10:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marty     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by lindisfarne:
So then what is there to discuss? You know you like to have your cake and eat it to. You know you like to get involved with people knowing full well you don't want what they want, you'd rather use them in your fashion and to whatever extent that suits your needs and your needs only, as you yourself describe as "Selfishness". I mean its great that YOU know yourself these people you get involved with are just "Seasons" but something tells me you do not make this clear with the people you involve yourself with, hence why you deduce it as "cheating" because they were not aware of it at all.

fact of the matter is, Karma is a b*tch. Whenever you decide to polish the moral compass of yours, find someone you want to settle down with, they'll go doing the same thing you did in your previous relationships.

I don't mean to come down hard, but I don't understand what you are asking. You seem content with your current stance and views on relationships. I strongly wish you just wouldn't get involved with people romantically unless you actually make it clear on what you want and how your style is.. your type of mentality is toxic and its the reason why people develop trust issues and possibly become the cheaters themselves. Its a triggering behavior, your actions have consequences, its a sequence.

and are you an aries? what is your sun, you say your ascendant scorpio? I assume you want power, its all a game to you, relationships. You like that even though you treat your partners very poorly, almost like possessions easily expendable, you enjoy the fact that they "didn't care to ask me, and i could tell they did sense i was." Do you like that you have this idea that you can/are getting away with being disrespectful towards someone in a relationship, do you like that perhaps they want you so badly that they are willing to keep tight lipped/do nothing about it/or even if knowing about your unfaithfulness decide to still keep you around? Is that fun for you?

Its a serious question btw.


Summed it up pretty good i think

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