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YoursTrulyAlways
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posted December 17, 2011 06:39 PM
  
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or maybe her husband doesn't pay her any attention LOL using you to peek his interest!!!!  You should tell her to bug off. Have you?
Not in an impolite way, but maybe I should. If her husband would not be such an impotent skirt chaser, maybe his wife would pay more attention to him. Anyway, she'll move on to the next guy without much more thought, so I should just forget the whole thing. IP: Logged |
lindisfarne
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posted December 17, 2011 06:45 PM
Wait why won't you tell her directly to leave you alone?D-d-d-do you like the attention?!?!  You do! I bet you do. You secretly like the attention, not a problem. She most likely wont stop until you tell her straight up "leave me alone." IP: Logged |
YoursTrulyAlways
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posted December 17, 2011 07:32 PM
Yes of course I like attention. Mild attention. This aggressive stuff is uncomfortable. I just don't want to create a whole crisis and fiasco. I don't want husband and wife (on her side) to fight. They have young children. Not that there isn't already gossip, but I'm not adding fuel to the fire. If no hurt was done, it's probably best to leave the situation alone, until perhaps next December, because I'll probably not see them in a while. IP: Logged |
mintgirl123
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posted December 17, 2011 07:40 PM
Just tell her 'get ya yourself together woman. You're married.' And of course say it with a smile. But be firm. I don't do married or taken men. Why mess with someone taken? So many people in this world lol. IP: Logged |
amelia28
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posted December 18, 2011 12:44 AM
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Oh, I've seen a Venus in Virgo flirt blatantly in public. An ex-coworker. She gave lap dances to the bosses at the office Christmas party. :/ She does have Venus sextile Uranus. July 22, 1978.I think you definitely have a point there about the square from Uranus though - especially with her Venus-Mars conjunction. Electrified sexyness! I'm a Cap with Virgo rising and have Venus in Scorpio conjunct Uranus. I did sexually adventurous things but not in excess and wasn't an exhibitionist at all. Oh yeah and I stripped for cash at one point but it was out of desperation because I would've been on the streets otherwise. I think that's where my Lilith in Leo in the 11th came in. [QUOTE]Originally posted by RegardesPlatero:
[B]This Libra is not down with OPP (yeah you know me!) That's definitely not a Libra thing
Yep, that is why I didn't say Libra/validation and "OPP" in the same sentence. A'ight, YoursTruly? Naughty boy, tryna put words in my mouth. [/QUOTE] So I have been thinking about my theory that is perhaps her venus/mars square uranus that makes her flirt so blatantly in public event that I imagine is suppose to be classy while her husband is present and I am beginning to think that the root is in daddy issues and not in an astrological aspect or placement. Husband has venus square uranus and I am the bigger flirt between us two. I love flirting and he is so intellectual that the last thing on his mind is flirting but I think is fun every now and then. However, I wouldn't flirt with someone who does not welcome it and is with his wife, there is a time and place. Anyways he has venus square uranus and he isn't freaky. Between him and I, I am the one that is freakier and more open to trying new things. That been said based on observations over the years women who want men who are taken and have a SET pattern of wanting men who are unavailable and attached have daddy issues and low self worth as a result. Is like they are trying to find the validation they never got from dad through these men who are not interested in them truly. They are attracted to men like this bec that is what is familiar to them since their own dad was this way with them. IP: Logged |
Capriquarius
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posted December 18, 2011 01:39 AM
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Originally posted by amelia28:
So I have been thinking about my theory that is perhaps her venus/mars square uranus that makes her flirt so blatantly in public event that I imagine is suppose to be classy while her husband is present and I am beginning to think that the root is in daddy issues and not in an astrological aspect or placement.Husband has venus square uranus and I am the bigger flirt between us two. I love flirting and he is so intellectual that the last thing on his mind is flirting but I think is fun every now and then. However, I wouldn't flirt with someone who does not welcome it and is with his wife, there is a time and place. Anyways he has venus square uranus and he isn't freaky. Between him and I, I am the one that is freakier and more open to trying new things. That been said based on observations over the years women who want men who are taken and have a SET pattern of wanting men who are unavailable and attached have daddy issues and low self worth as a result. Is like they are trying to find the validation they never got from dad through these men who are not interested in them truly. They are attracted to men like this bec that is what is familiar to them since their own dad was this way with them.
You have a point about set patterns stemming from interaction dynamics with a parental figure in childhood. However, I don't see the astrological link between a Venus-Uranus aspect and the paternal figure. Wouldn't the Sun (or maybe the 4th/10th Hous) be more reflective of that role? I would think that Venus stands for how we were socially conditioned on an individual level to relate to others and Uranus, being a slow-moving planet, would represent the generational attitude towards defining freedom/individuality. My Venus is in Scorpio in the 3rd House and I feel that much of my romantic/social relating style was shaped by trashy romance novels I read throughout my teens lol. (There, how's that for beating you at being super candid? ) I don't think my father had much of a role in my Venus issues. His attitude towards me was definitely characteristic of Sun/Saturn/Mars/Pluto. I do have major Daddy issues and they revolve around these four planets as well as his Saturn conjuncting my Ascendant. From the moment I was born, he was attempting to structure my entire life, down to the most minute detail (His Saturn is in Virgo). I received much more attention from him than I wanted or needed and as an adult with Sun-Mars in my 4th, my anger (Mars) at him (Sun) results in me forging my own identity - my own 4th House, not the one he created. This woman's Sun seems quite well-aspected, free of strong links to any malefics. I don't think it's Daddy issues for her as much as it is a need to prove herself to her feminine ego. My sister definitely has Daddy issues, and her 4th/10th House axis is emphasized, with her NN and Chiron both in the 10th. Our father was so busy trying to turn me into the son he never had that he nearly forgot about her, and this caused her much pain and frustration. Although her craving for Daddy's attention manifests in her adult life as an addiction to flings, and although she is an unrepentant cheater, she never intruded on anyone else's relationship. She has a very healthy feminine ego, with her Venus in Gemini receiving a trine from Pluto and an opposition from Neptune. IP: Logged |
amelia28
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posted December 18, 2011 01:50 AM
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Originally posted by Capriquarius:
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However, I don't see the astrological link between a Venus-Uranus aspect and the paternal figure. Wouldn't the Sun (or maybe the 4th/10th Hous) be more reflective of that role?
That is my point that I don't think venus square uranus explains her need for validation which seems to be why she is behaving this way. She does have moon square saturn which could be that her parents got divorced and an absent father as a result. Saturn is the dad and moon is the mom. My husband has this and parents divorced when he was little and a few years later his dad died. And an absent dad makes many women need validation from unavailable men bc they are repeating a childhood pattern. I am willing to bet her parents divorced and she didn't see her dad much after the divorce took place or that her dad passed away when she was very young. I have noticed moon square mars or moon square Saturn in a lot of charts of people who have both mom and daddy issues simultaneously stemming from divorce. Of course some children handle divorce better and these children wouldn't have this aspect. IP: Logged |
Capriquarius
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posted December 18, 2011 01:58 AM
Does Saturn represent the father then? I thought so for a while but was then told it's the Sun. So I went and read through Liz Greene's book on Saturn, and sure enough, she doesn't mention Saturn representing the paternal.Moon square Saturn sounds more like a harsh mother. I think you or someone else mentioned that her Moon conjuncts his wife's Sun. Maybe she wanted to get back at her mother by attempting to steal YTA away from his wife. But Daddy issues? I don't see the connection to this incident. Regardless of the foundations of her behavior, there's no argument that her actions were wrong. I see astrology as a tool to guide us on the right path, not justify the inexcusable. IP: Logged |
amelia28
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posted December 18, 2011 01:59 AM
oh and I am not saying that every single woman who has daddy issues would behave like this girl did and need validation from unavailable men as a strong pluto and mercury would probably counteract this but there is definitely a high correlation between the two.IP: Logged |
amelia28
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posted December 18, 2011 02:03 AM
Well liz greene is one astrologer and I have read from different sources that both sun and saturn represent the father but your theory is good as well about her having a harsh mother bc of moon aspect to saturn and seeing yourstruly wife as a mother figure and her wanting to get back at her through her, I just feel mine is a good theory too and just as valid as yours.IP: Logged |
amelia28
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posted December 18, 2011 02:06 AM
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Regardless of the foundations of her behavior, there's no argument that her actions were wrong. I see astrology as a tool to guide us on the right path, not justify the inexcusable.[/B]
I never excused her behavior. I see astrology as a tool to understand life and others and self better period! IP: Logged |
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posted December 18, 2011 02:08 AM
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oh and I am not saying that every single woman who has daddy issues would behave like this girl did and need validation from unavailable men as a strong pluto and mercury would probably counteract this but there is definitely a high correlation between the two.
Well, I'll keep that in mind when looking through charts.  My sister's Mercury and Pluto aren't strong and although her Venus lies in that 4th-10th axis, causing her to dispose of her Daddy issues through her Venusian needs, she would never dream of stealing someone else's man to satisfy her own feminine ego. She will say all kinds of mean things about women she doesn't like and has cheated on all of her boyfriends, but she would never intrude on someone's love relationship. This lady is just something else. I don't need to see her natal chart to say that. I don't care what her excuse is. I expect to be judged by my actions and will judge others by theirs. IP: Logged |
amelia28
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posted December 18, 2011 02:09 AM
and just bc you read something in a book doesn't mean that there is no room to do further research on a topic..this is how science keeps moving forward by getting deeper, questioning and as a result expanding more on topic. IP: Logged |
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posted December 18, 2011 02:14 AM
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Originally posted by amelia28:
Well liz greene is one astrologer and I have read from different sources that both sun and saturn represent the father but your theory is good as well about her having a harsh mother bc of moon aspect to saturn and seeing yourstruly wife as a mother figure and her wanting to get back at her through her, I just feel mine is a good theory too and just as valid as yours.
You have the right to feel the way you want, and I appreciate you sharing your theory with me.I hope that you don't feel a need to win me over to your theory. I heard you out and said my piece, and that's that. The only person who would know the correct answer is the person herself. Not that it really matters to me. It's her life and I'll judge her by her actions as an adult, not her childhood. She is free to do likewise. IP: Logged |
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posted December 18, 2011 02:16 AM
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and just bc you read something in a book doesn't mean that there is no room to do further research on a topic..this is how science keeps moving forward by getting deeper, questioning and as a result expanding more on topic.
I agree. But being a Capricorn, I respect experience. Liz Greene is an authority in this field. I'm still working my way up, so I'll rely on her work first.IP: Logged |
amelia28
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posted December 18, 2011 02:20 AM
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Originally posted by Capriquarius:
[QUOTE]This lady is just something else. I don't need to see her natal chart to say that. I don't care what her excuse is. I expect to be judged by my actions and will judge others by theirs.
You don't even know her. I dont approve of her behavior but I dont judge her or have hate for her. Also I dont feel that bc you are married that means that your spouse owns you and that you can never get interested in somebody else. Monogamy and marriage contracts are about fear of getting hurt and people need to be more resilient and believe in themselves more and their ability to heal, overcome any obstacle that comes their way, start over and be able to love again.
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amelia28
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posted December 18, 2011 02:24 AM
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Originally posted by Capriquarius:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by amelia28:
[b]Well liz greene is one astrologer and I have read from different sources that both sun and saturn represent the father but your theory is good as well about her having a harsh mother bc of moon aspect to saturn and seeing yourstruly wife as a mother figure and her wanting to get back at her through her, I just feel mine is a good theory too and just as valid as yours.
You have the right to feel the way you want, and I appreciate you sharing your theory with me.I hope that you don't need to feel a need to win me over to your theory. I heard you out and said my piece, and that's that. The only person who would know the correct answer is the person herself. Not that it really matters to me. It's her life and I'll judge her by her actions as an adult, not her childhood. She is free to do likewise. [/B][/QUOTE] No I am not trying to win you over. Just expressing myself as you are .
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posted December 18, 2011 02:24 AM
We're going off on a different subject now, so I'm going to make this my final post here, unless there's more astrology to discuss. Hate her? Did I say I hate her? That would be a waste of energy. I judged her. That's not an emotion, as hate is. There's a reason why I don't believe in marriage. I don't plan on entering that agreement, partly because of the reason you stated. However, it is a contract, a very heavy one. You called together your nearest and dearest and swore to God that you would not betray your spouse. Not everyone can handle that. I really enjoyed talking with you and hope that you aren't as upset as you sound. I'm sorry if you are. See you around LL! IP: Logged |
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posted December 18, 2011 02:30 AM
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No I am not trying to win you over. Just expressing myself as you are .
Oops, just saw this.You could have replied directly to the topic then. You quoted me and I interpret that as an attempt to change my viewpoint. I welcomed the fresh perspective and considered it. It didn't affect my conclusion. Now I'm moving on, unless you want to discuss the astrology side of the situation further. I'd definitely welcome that. Seriously. This means don't try to change my views on marriage or talk to me about my politics. Is that understood? I only come to this board for astrology and astrology/relationship stuff. I have other avenues for the other things. IP: Logged |
amelia28
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posted December 18, 2011 02:31 AM
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Originally posted by Capriquarius:
We're going off on a different subject now, so I'm going to make this my final post here, unless there's more astrology to discuss. Hate her? Did I say I hate her? That would be a waste of energy. I judged her. That's not an emotion, as hate is. There's a reason why I don't believe in marriage. I don't plan on entering that agreement, partly because of the reason you stated. However, it is a contract, a very heavy one. You called together your nearest and dearest and swore to God that you would not betray your spouse. Not everyone can handle that. I really enjoyed talking with you and hope that you aren't as upset as you sound. I'm sorry if you are. See you around LL!
I got married but didnt sign a contract at all or involved a priest (no religion or government involved). My wedding vows were beautiful and true but I didnt promise fidelity anywhere in my wedding vows.I like you, I am just talking with you but yeah you are right this moving to another direction so until next time.
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posted December 18, 2011 02:36 AM
Hey I like you too! When I hear about the things you do for people, it makes me go, "The world needs more folks like that." I try, but probably not to the extent that you're going. Ok I'll shut up now lol.P.S. To whoever else is reading this:
You could have just asked me for my natal chart or birth date. You didn't have to sneak around, geez. IP: Logged |
amelia28
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posted December 18, 2011 02:36 AM
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Originally posted by Capriquarius:
[QUOTE]No I am not trying to win you over. Just expressing myself as you are .
Oops, just saw this.You could have replied directly to the topic then. You quoted me and I interpret that as an attempt to change my viewpoint. I welcomed the fresh perspective and considered it. It didn't affect my conclusion. Now I'm moving on, unless you want to discuss the astrology side of the situation further. I'd definitely welcome that. Seriously. This means don't try to change my views on marriage or talk to me about my politics. Is that understood? I only come to this board for astrology and astrology/relationship stuff. I have other avenues for the other things.[/QUOTE] Hey I am not upset at all. I am sorry if I am coming off that way! I am really sorry if you feel I crossed a line with you. Wow I am not trying to change your mind on anything, just having a discussion. Will keep it astrological with you from now on. I am sorry if I hurt your feelings, truly  . I have a lot of respect for you. I really do, you are really smart and I like reading your comments. IP: Logged |
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posted December 18, 2011 02:43 AM
No worries, no hurt feelings. I have Moon in Aquarius and apparently that means I don't have any.  Peace! IP: Logged |
amelia28
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posted December 18, 2011 02:49 AM
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No worries, no hurt feelings. I have Moon in Aquarius and apparently that means I don't have any. Peace!
LOL about the aqua joke...... I am glad...bc I really do think you are really cool. No hurt feelings here either. Goodnight.
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RegardesPlatero
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posted December 18, 2011 04:35 AM
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