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Topic: Smart people - Mercury in 1st, 3 house?
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amelia28
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posted December 19, 2011 01:11 AM
  
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Originally posted by lindisfarne:
im attracted to philosophy and law but i dont have this placement
I think your NN in sag is why you are attracted to philosophy and law  . Philosophy professors are cool and you have NN in the 10th so you might end up in a career that is related to 9th cusp/Sag. It could be anywhere from philosophy professor, priest, to flight attendant to tour guide to pilot or a teacher of a subject that interests you.
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mintgirl123
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posted December 19, 2011 01:16 AM
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Originally posted by lindisfarne:
Crazy in what way
Mercury square mars makes someone a tad argumentative lol and too opinionated. IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted December 19, 2011 01:17 AM
I researched charts of geniuses at one point, the wide orbs really worked, surprisingly, so they don't have to be close. But Mercury aspects aren't all that count.
A lot depends on what brand of genius they are, factors for a genius type of musician will be different than those for a genius type of mathematician. So the fields really need to be broken up, the term genius on its own is much too broad.IP: Logged |
lindisfarne
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posted December 19, 2011 01:18 AM
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Originally posted by mintgirl123:
Mercury square mars makes someone a tad argumentative lol and too opinionated.
That makes someone crazy?
Im curious to what kinda crazy she was talking about, like,
mentally unwell crazy or figuratively crazy Im argumentative and opinionated i dont have that placement IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted December 19, 2011 01:24 AM
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Originally posted by Capriquarius:
It means that your mind tends to concentrate on subjects concerning the "higher mind." Politics, religion, law.... 3rd House has more to do with the immediate environment (e.g. local gossip, small issues).
I agree, the house matters for the general focus. I have Mercury in the 7th and my mind is often on other people, and how they operate, what patterns surface in behavior (Mercury in Aquarius is related to an interest in science/astrology, among other things).IP: Logged |
mintgirl123
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posted December 19, 2011 01:24 AM
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Originally posted by lindisfarne:
That makes someone crazy?
Im curious to what kinda crazy she was talking about, like,
mentally unwell crazy or figuratively crazyIm argumentative and opinionated i dont have that placement
They have a tendency to jump down peoples throats, and like debate in a really unnecessary and forceful manner at times.
Maybe other placements augments the craziness? Haha. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted December 19, 2011 01:27 AM
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Originally posted by Lonake:
I researched charts of geniuses at one point, the wide orbs really worked, surprisingly, so they don't have to be close. .
How wide were the orbs that still worked? And in what aspects? IP: Logged |
amelia28
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posted December 19, 2011 01:31 AM
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Originally posted by Lonake:
I researched charts of geniuses at one point, the wide orbs really worked, surprisingly, so they don't have to be close. But Mercury aspects aren't all that count.
A lot depends on what brand of genius they are, factors for a genius type of musician will be different than those for a genius type of mathematician. So the fields really need to be broken up, the term genius on its own is much too broad.
I am going to start a thread soon about different types of intelligence and the aspects that are highly correlated with these different types of intelligence. I would looove to hear your thoughts when I create this thread. IP: Logged |
amelia28
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posted December 19, 2011 01:36 AM
THE THIRD HOUSE
Learning and CommunicationThe third house of the chart concerns your thought processes and how you relate to others in your formative years; your early environment and relationships. It deals with subjects such as writing, news, communication and speech; learning to deal with the world. Accordingly, it is associated with early education and basic learning.
http://www.astrology-numerology.com/housecusp-3rd.html This link described my 3rd house placement really well. IP: Logged |
amelia28
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posted December 19, 2011 01:44 AM
Unaspected Mercury- Those with an unaspected Mercury tend to be likeable, intelligent and adaptable. But they flirt from one thing to another. They also exhibit lots of confidence , humor and are sociable. The subjects are usually highly popular like Mahatma Gandhi who had an unaspected Mercury.
http://astrology.findyourfate.com/astrology-unaspectedplanets.htm Mahatma Gandhi had an unaspected Mercury! cool. IP: Logged |
Libreo
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posted December 19, 2011 01:47 AM
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Originally posted by mintgirl123:
Isn't 9th house about higher learning etc? So mercury in the 9th might not necessarily be the most innately intelligent...But they will be into learning, expanding themselves intellectually.
Oooh this is exciting! I have Mercury in Scorpio in the 9th house! Is that good?
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Lonake
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posted December 19, 2011 01:52 AM
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Originally posted by lindisfarne:
Im argumentative and opinionated i dont have that placement
You have Aquarius, tho. And in the 1st. Aquarius is a very opinionated, and at times an argumentative, sign.The difference between Mercury sq Mars, and a strong Aquarius influence, is that Mercury sq Mars has a temper often and will say vicious things out of spite. Their Mars (drive, energy, what irritates, what one fights for)
is squared (aspect that points to internal tension)
to Mercury (how one communicates in a general sense) It takes some self-control to get this aspect under wraps, and it is really v.easy to fly off the handle, but it is not about the other person. It is about how the Mercury sq Mars person deals w.their inner tension, the easiest way (often, not always) for them to get it out is through saying nasty things and interpreting events in a manner that gives them permission (in their mind) to have a mentally abusive dialogue with another. Mercury conjunct Mars can point to same. It's all in how they interpret their world. And they're not always like this, it depends on how much they have a handle on it, if it's being activated by synastry or transit, etc. IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted December 19, 2011 02:34 AM
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
How wide were the orbs that still worked? And in what aspects?
Mercury to Mars/Saturn/Uranus/Neptune/Pluto, sometimes Jupiter would suffice if there was a hard aspect between the 1st set already, to back it up. It also depended on the type. Science was better for Mars/Saturn/Uranus, Arts was better for Neptune/Pluto, a combo of the 2 could combine, open up a new frontier, a new way of looking at a certain subject. Often hard aspects, and wide orbs, orbs that I would not likely use, but that would show up on astro.com's default chart. A 9 degree opposition for example. Or an out of sign 9 degree square. More than 1 aspect, often, usually just 1 of these was not enough. The aspect itself didn't matter so much as Mercury being contacted by a set of planets, often generational, if not generational then involved in some type of aspect pattern, often a hard one like a t-square. It seemed like Mercury was being agitated, was being called on to get to the bottom of something, and the person could not rest until it was satisfied. The Mercury aspects, looking at them, you wouldn't think they were mentally 'calm' individuals, the aspects suggested that it was hard for their minds to find peace. But this was just Mercury, not looking at H3 rulers or placements, etc. Mercury in hard aspect to Saturn/Uranus simultaneously seemed to come up often, or something like Mercury in aspect to Uranus, and Uranus in aspect to Saturn, even if Saturn wasn't in aspect to Mercury, there was still a connection there. Mercury square Mars, Mars opp Saturn but Saturn not connected to Mercury, for another example. Mercury trine Neptune, Neptune square Uranus but Uranus not connected to Mercury, it goes on and on. Edison's chart doesn't have an agitated Mercury. What he does have is Mercury conj Sun conj Neptune (in Aquarius) conj Saturn conj Venus (in Pisces) all placed in the 3rd. So his is one of the exceptions, but to me it is still obvious the genius there. Generational planets, in general, have a lot to say about that. The reason being is that when one is plugged into the generational planets they are called to embody the spirit of the times in which they are placed. They don't have to answer it, and generational planets are not easy to grasp, they can introduce a lot of problems (Neptune addiction Uranus madness Pluto power hungry) in the wrong hands. Not everyone can answer the call, but some can, and geniuses (and often true artists) are part of that group. To be able to tune into collective energies, you have to natally be personally attuned to either collective planets (Uranus/Neptune/Pluto) and/or their (modern) signs. I don't use traditional rulerships. IP: Logged |
amelia28
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posted December 19, 2011 03:35 AM
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amelia28
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posted December 19, 2011 03:37 AM
Thanks Lonake that was amazing info. Its really impressive how much you know about astrology. I love how you actually go through a database and look at a bunch of charts that could hint to the specific behavior you are studying and then come to your own conclusions! You approach this subject scientifically but actually verify findings with your own thorough research.I bet your chart is interesting . IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted December 19, 2011 04:16 AM
^ It's not, it's 1/2 composed of just one big Cardinal square from Libra to Capricorn, I have mostly squares. If you do those threads Astrodatabank will help a lot, here's the one I used for genius types, http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Category:Traits_:_Mind_:_Exceptional_mind They have a category for composers http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Category:Vocation_:_Entertain/Music_:_Composer/_Arranger There's all sorts of smarts, sports, scientists, musicians. Maybe you have to get picky and come up with a name, like maybe Jimi Hendrix for a musician. His Mercury is pretty activated, http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Hendrix,_Jimi IP: Logged |
amowls**
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posted December 19, 2011 08:38 AM
9th house also allows you to focus on the bigger picture. You can see the forest instead of focusing on each individual tree (whereas I think the 3rd would allow you to focus on each individual tree in detail).I have a 9th house Aqua Mercury (which is my chart ruler) so I'm good at analysis and synthesis (something, I've noticed that a lot of people have a hard time with, especially synthesis). My Mercury is also part of an Air grand trine with my Libra Moon and Gemini Chiron. Mercury conjunct Sun, sextile Saturn/Uranus, Mars and Jupiter. No squares or oppositions (except like a 12 degree square to Pluto... Nope). IP: Logged |
Rosalind
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posted December 19, 2011 10:17 AM
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Originally posted by lindisfarne:
Is it true that Mercury-Uranus aspects, but esp. conj, trine and sextile. Mercury-Saturn aspects, but esp conj, trine sextile A strong well placed Mercury in the 1H, 3H, 7H, 9H, or 10H Would mark superior intelligence?
[b]what aspects would mark intelligence[/B]
I have Merc-Saturn in trine, Merc-Uranus in trine, also Mercury is in 9H. Dunno. I don't see myself as a very intelligent person. In school I was an underachiever.
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athenegoddess
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posted December 19, 2011 10:26 AM
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Originally posted by lindisfarne:
lmao who told you this?btw i wasn't tryna to be a b*** if thats what you were thinking i was really wondering if someone told you this lol
Nobody told me this because I don't need anyone to tell me. 9th house is higher thought and Mercury in Gemini is dignified. Do the math. Ruler of the Ninth House is in its own House:
Remarkable mental faculties. Qualities of mind and heart. A refined occupation. Morally and materially profitable journeys.
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mir
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posted December 19, 2011 11:33 AM
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Mercury to.....
It also depended on the type. Science was better for Mars/Saturn/Uranus, Arts was better for Neptune/Pluto, a combo of the 2 could combine, open up a new frontier, a new way of looking at a certain subject.
etc...
Ow my gosh yes...
Saturn at the top of my chart and Neptune at the bottom (which in opposite) are making this T-square (or grand square incl. desc.) to my Virgo-mercury exactly on my Virgo ascendant! (saturn to asc./merc. all within 1* and neptune to asc./merc. at 3*) I could write a book about the big changes I underwent, this new way of looking AT.. purely based on THIS chart configuration. For now I only say that I developed an extremely creative/smart 'pen' (only in my mother laguage!) which isn't very appreciated by most because of the black, negative and heavily realistic undertone it mostly has.
But well, without it I wouldn't be that creative!  On an astrology forum in my mother-language I wrote a long piece about my exact Saturn square Asc./Merc aspect recently and I didn't mention the involvement of Neptune.. (well, it's less strong with an orb of 3* and I just feel Saturn way more than I ever did)
The first question I got;
Is your Neptune involved in this aspect?
I was like WOW! It's obviously still a part of me!  (and ofcourse; astrology almost can't be a lie!) IP: Logged |
RunAroundScreaming
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posted December 19, 2011 02:08 PM
I have sun and mercury in cancer in the 9th house (not conjunct though), mercury conjunct jupiter (which is in gemini), and sag ruling my 3rd house cusp. I also have uranus and neptune in the third house and mercury opposite uranus.I'm not intelligent, though. I'm a very slow thinker. That's probably because mercury is opposite saturn, jupiter is in detriment in gemini, and saturn is in my 3rd house. The qualities of mercury conjunct jupiter definitely describe me though...I most certainly live in my head with my projects, dreams, and ideas. It makes me want to be alone lot of the time. Aslo mercury opp uranus certainly describes me...inability to unplug yourself from electronics (lol no pun intended) such as the internet or television (my dad has it too and he is the same), genius thinking at times (i once discovered a complicated mathematical theory in class, but when i showed it to the teacher he said it had already been discovered but that it was pretty spectacular that i noticed it), and well, saturn in the 3rd makes me think everyone disagrees with my opinions and thinks i'm dumb and makes it so that i can only understand things if they're extremely well-organized first. IP: Logged |
RunAroundScreaming
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posted December 19, 2011 02:21 PM
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Originally posted by lindisfarne:
lmao who told you this?
btw i wasn't tryna to be a b*** if thats what you were thinking i was really wondering if someone told you this lol
Ugh, troll. Grrr....saying lmao is very rude. IP: Logged |
Icarus
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posted December 19, 2011 02:29 PM
Mercury in 9th in Sagittarius (detriment twice), unaspected, sextile POF, conjunct MC. The ruler on 9th cusp, combust, afflicted. My 4th grade teacher tried to put me in a class of mentally challenged kids IP: Logged |
ElizabethO
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posted December 19, 2011 02:30 PM
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Originally posted by RunAroundScreaming:
Ugh, troll. Grrr....saying lmao is very rude.
Correct term is Flamer, but you got the right idea . IP: Logged |
popcorn
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posted December 19, 2011 02:44 PM
My daughter and my son are smart. My son are clasific an technological genius. His uranus on AC in house 12. His mercury in square to his pluto. Pluto on MC and mercury house 3.
My boyfriend are also very intelligent and was on top at school. He has mercury conj jupiter in aries house 10.My daughter and me are more intelligent in our emotions :-)....and we manage all kind of education. We not need more. I think everyone here on LL are smart people. IP: Logged |
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