posted April 06, 2012 11:46 AM            

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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
Mr. McAfee,

Sir, I meant absolutely no disrespect by my remarks. I don't fully comprehend the complexities of the task at hand because I'm not in your shoes, but I can nevertheless appreciate the enormity of the effort that you have exercised in coming up with those descriptions.

However, unfortunately, the truth on my end - and only for me as an individual - is that I remain unable to identify myself with the ASC of Pisces, even though I do have a roundish face. I don't have a narrow/longish face. My eyes are not large and round; they are narrow and tiny and small. I attribute the shape of my face simply to being Asian who is mildly overweight, with a subjective probability of an average to plump Asian man having a round face. Along the same line of thought, it also holds true for common characteristics such as narrowish eyes that are somewhat slanted inwards. At the end of the day, I simply look like any other Asian guy.

The truth of the matter is that my personality is quite in line with that of an Aries ASC. However, I have yet to see, among my circle of Asian friends and acquaintances, more than a very small handful of men with chiseled faces and well defined jaw lines. Those are faces I would typically identify with Celtic, Slavic or Scandinavian men. Perhaps Asian men are the anomaly, and I can readily accept that.

In any event, I meant no disrespect by my remarks and I thank you for your informative post.

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I have been thinking about your ASC in the last few days. I do not feel the Pisces ASC in you at ALL. You are super super assertive. I cannot see you as a Pisces ASC. My 2 cents.

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posted April 06, 2012 11:55 AM            

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AQUARIUS rising produces a squarish or rectangular head.
The energy is a contradiction of the outward-directed outside-in (centripetal) dynamic: social but individualistic. Their magnetism draws people because they are different and because the project comfort with being different. This is reflected in the voice, which can distinct and be projected for great effect, but may not be loud one-to-one.
They build tends to be solid or blocky or at least square-shouldered. Often the lower body is solid and strong. The height is normally medium to tall. They are distinctive people and can show this in something unusual about their appearance. They have insight into human nature and are strong-willed, intellectual, and very opinionated at times. Many are crowd-pleasing performers. They enjoy being different and revel in it. Justice and being kind to the underdog are common attitudes. Sometimes they themselves are the underdog. Their energy is extroverted, but often in an introverted way, happy to be with others even when quiet. Many of them are complex and identify as much with what must be done in society as with their own personal identity.

PISCES rising has a narrow/longish face, sometimes v-shaped, but curved.
Their energy is subtle, not normally direct, mysterious, but not particularly secretive, visionary, intuitive. The voice is soft, easy and gentle, in direct contrast to the pace and sharpness of Aries.
The skin often has a clear appearance that is luminescent. This is much like their personalities, which are the most humble, transparent and sacrificial in the zodiac. The eyes are often large and round or bulging. They tend to be dark or of mixed color, but can be bright. They are generally inquisitive and can be great listeners, giving you their full attention. There is mystery about them that makes many of them very alluring. Their sensitivity comes out at times when they speak to empathize with or defend others, especially who are not there to defend themselves. Prejudiced attitudes are hard to find among these people. They are empathetic and forgiving more than others. Their talent for and love of music, poetry, dancing, role-playing can give them away when paired with the facial features.

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posted April 07, 2012 05:16 PM            

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http://photos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/425207_10150603853438810_ 554713809_8910738_1013321085_a.jpg http://photos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/317777_10150344208058810_5 54713809_7977897_750386358_a.jpg http://photos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/315619_10150294338448810_554 713809_7682317_6603125_a.jpg http://photos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/63233_475820508809_554713809_56044 08_7366330_a.jpg
My birth details 21/10/1973 Inverell NSW Australia. I THINK at 2.07pm. But not completely sure.

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Aries isn't even possible for your Asc.

Unfortunately your chart situation isn't as clear cut as we'd like it to be. I'd like to explain it to you directly in more detail, so email me if you are interested. It depends on how certain you are of the general time range. If it is truly about 2 pm, then there is only one possible Asc for you and it is neither Pisces or Aries.

posted April 07, 2012 05:18 PM            

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Originally posted by Yin:
This is great but both these descriptions fit me. I still can't tell whether I'm aqua or Pisces rising.

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It is possible to have Aquarius over the Asc and Pisces intercepted in the 1st, which includes it wholly in your personality and physical character set.

posted April 07, 2012 06:12 PM            

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Originally posted by Sashar:
have a pretty round face... which is true even when I'm not over weight. Which of course I am (probably because of the Taurus moon).

The one thing that got me was the stutter. I don't know if anyone noticed... but my posts on here tend to be long. This is normal for talking on forums for me. The stutter is the reason why. Fingers don't stutter, and I can type almost as fast as I can think. Only it's not a normal classical stutter it's more like, I repeat the same last couple of words at the ends of sentences... or I skip words. Or, I'll start a sentence and stop it in the middle without realizing. Why? Because my brain is moving a million miles a minute and it's difficult to translate.

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I am exactly the same.

Oh and I can confirm the thing about being hypochondriac. Maybe it`s jupiter`s tendency to exaggerate.

posted April 07, 2012 06:23 PM            

I could be totally wrong about this, but I`ve met three Pisces ASC`s and all three of them are born entertainers, assertive, funny, creative and expressive.

One is my youngest brother who also has Sun in Pisces in 1st house, and Moon-Jupiter-Uranus conjunction in Sagittarius, and a loose Venus-Mars-conjunction in Aries.

The other one is a performer I once met with Mars in Pisces in 1st house, Sun and Mercury in Aries, Moon and Venus in Taurus.

The third one is a singer I met, who is incredibly talkative and extrovert, so much that it is exhausting for my Sag-ASC to follow. lol
He has Sun-Moon-MC-conjunction in Sagittarius; Mars-Jupiter conjunction in Virgo square Mercury in Sagittarius.

I very clearly can see the Sagittarius and Aries-vibes in each of these three guys (Aries is intercepted in their first house), but they do not behave like many people would think, considering their ASC-sign.

So I`ve come to the conclusion that a lack of assertiveness or presence of assertiveness or introversion vs extraversion is not a good way to differentiate a Pisces ASC from other signs.

posted April 07, 2012 07:31 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:

Ian
I have been thinking about your ASC in the last few days. I do not feel the Pisces ASC in you at ALL. You are super super assertive. I cannot see you as a Pisces ASC. My 2 cents.

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posted April 07, 2012 07:43 PM            

Mercury conjunct Mars
Your Mercury conjunct Mars indicates that your mind is restless and eager to gain new information, but you always feel that the answers you get are somehow not final. Your creative ideas are imaginative, and you exploit them energetically. However, you lack the patience to stay focused on any one interest for very long. No matter what position you takem you are positive in your opinions and very insistent about voicing them. You are argumentative, and enjoy locking into debate with anyone who challenges you. But unless other factors in the chart provide it, you don't bother to get all the facts before you express yourself. Always sure that you are right, you are generally premature in your judgement. It isn't easy for you to say you're sorry when you are wrong, but you may do so when it is expedient. You tend to interrupt others who are already in conversation, and to ariouse their antagonism by volunteering information before being asked. Almost nothing escapes your attention, and you may have overheard someone say 'Here comes the know-it-all' as you approached.

With your sharp mind, creative ideas, and aggressive disposition, there are many professions in which you will be comfortable and free to express yourself. These include teaching, public relations, law, vocal coaching, acting, and writing. These occupations would give you unlimited opportunities to display your talents. Because you have plenty of energy to apply yourself to your goals, you can establish your own degree of progress. It would probably be best for you to work by yourself. Few people have enough nervous energy to maintain your pace, and you would be brutally frank in reprimanding them if you thought they were 'dragging their feet'. You might be wrong, but no-one could convince you of that.

You do not like to be rejected by someone you are emotionally interested in, but you do not dwell on it for very long. You feel that you can always find someone else, for you are progressive and rarely look back. But this actually causes you to make the same mistakes again and again; you don't take the time to reflect on past experiences and learn from them. Your defence is that you are too busy to concern yourself with unimportant matters. It would be wise to spend a little time examining this so-called trivia, because it might reveal why you are not developing as well as you could.

posted April 07, 2012 07:46 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:

Ian
I have been thinking about your ASC in the last few days. I do not feel the Pisces ASC in you at ALL. You are super super assertive. I cannot see you as a Pisces ASC. My 2 cents.

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Just cause someone sounds assertive on paper does not mean they are going to give across that vibe in person. He'd have to post a video of himself speaking of something for the "full picture" to be seen.

posted April 07, 2012 08:00 PM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
Aries isn't even possible for your Asc.

Unfortunately your chart situation isn't as clear cut as we'd like it to be. I'd like to explain it to you directly in more detail, so email me if you are interested. It depends on how certain you are of the general time range. If it is truly about 2 pm, then there is only one possible Asc for you and it is neither Pisces or Aries.

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posted April 07, 2012 08:16 PM            

Despite all of this, I still assert that pictures alone are not a consistently accurate methods. I do believe you have to see someone in person, or a video to have enough information to make an accurate determination.

There is a few additional things I want to state, and I have included them in a video here I recorded of myself (partly my attempt at condensing information, which usually does not go over as well as I hope). This should "prove" that I am Libra rising, and not just based off physical appearance.

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^ And I think even if sb has certain traits to their personality, it might be aspects and house placements rather than rising?

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Exactly. It's all very hard to sort out each individual piece. If you look closely you can see various signs, placements, and aspects "appear" at different points. Even then some strong placements aren't nearly as visible as others depending on how they are aspected.

posted April 08, 2012 03:52 AM            

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Originally posted by Libreo:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
[b] Aries isn't even possible for your Asc.

Unfortunately your chart situation isn't as clear cut as we'd like it to be. I'd like to explain it to you directly in more detail, so email me if you are interested. It depends on how certain you are of the general time range. If it is truly about 2 pm, then there is only one possible Asc for you and it is neither Pisces or Aries.

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Pardon me. I was thinking it was in my signature. I've added it below:

posted April 10, 2012 11:31 PM            

Re: Libreo's Asc sign question...
Look at this picture: http://photos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/317777_10150344208058810_554713809_7977897_750386358_a.jpg
It highlights (because of lighting) the actual rounded, tapering shape of her facial outline, which is typical for Pisces rising.

Pictures can be tricky because they contain optical illusions, since they are 2D representations of 3D humans. This is why I often ask for numerous pictures because some are simply not informative. Libreo's pic here... http://photos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/315619_10150294338448810_554713809_7682317_6603125_a.jpg ... shows what appears to be a more rectangular facial outline. This is due to the hairline that combines with stronger light saturation on her face to make it look as if there is a rectangular shape.
This photo of her ... http://photos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/425207_10150603853438810_554713809_8910738_1013321085_a.jpg ... also suggests the tapering Pisces outline. Her description of herself is very Piscean.

I've spent a lot of time comparing photos to the actual structure of a person's face when seen in person. The physical characteristics are always there, but not always clearly discernible from pictures. I couldn't tell what my wife's actual Asc sign was from pictures - until I met her in person, then it was clearly Libra over Scorpio. It was easy to tell by her face/head, hands and personality/energy. Libra is light, open and friendly. Scorpio is heavier, anchored internally, more elusive.

Understand that the personality and physical characteristics are altered if there are planets of a different nature (quality) in angular aspect to the Asc, or if there are planets in the 1st house in the next sign, or if there is a concentration of planets in another sign. I thought I had noted this in the top of the thread, but in reading it for some reason I was not clear on this. I'll alter it.

The basic outlines are standard starting places. All factors must be taken in account.

posted April 23, 2012 07:13 PM            

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Originally posted by Nahimana:
Nobody can actually fit their ascendent sign descriptions to a "T". Im sure other factors such as aspects and planets in the first house will greatly influence one's appearance...

-Leo Rising-

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posted April 25, 2012 03:09 PM            

I'm relaxed and calm after work. During work, I'm like Tony Soprano in a meeting and Genghis Khan when transacting business.

Photographs do not convey the right image either. Mintgirl was mislead by the few pics I have posted.

I said I'm short but I'm 5'10", which is about the average height of an American man., except that I'm heavy set. My shoulders may look small and narrow, but I'm a XXL/European size 7, or size 44/46 American. I may be roundish and plump, but I'm also fit being a qualified US Army Airborne Ranger and having dual martial arts.

posted April 26, 2012 04:25 AM            

The correct Asc/1st house ALWAYS manifests in the personality and in the build (relative to parentage), especially when planetary aspects to the Asc are taken into account (including declinations).

The truth is that if you have Pisces over the Asc you can still have Aries characteristics by virtue of its inclusion in the 1st house, particularly if the correct Asc degree shows that the 1st-7th is intercepted (wholly includes Aries-Libra using Placidus if your location of birth was between 59* north and south latitude). The reverse would NOT be true in principle. Aries over the Asc can have no Pisces-Asc qualities whatsoever. Planets would have to be in that sign.

This is not commonly known or understood, but is unavoidable for serious horoscopic/natal astrologers, particularly those like me who are chart rectifiers. There are a number of people who have 'different sides' to their personalities, explainable by the fact that they have two signs directly influencing their 1st house - when chart is cast in Placidus houses. This is particularly true for those with mutable signs like Pisces on the Asc, which are always followed by a cardinal sign.

Language is tricky, being impregnated with thought assumptions and limitations. Pictures are tricky, being 2D representations of 4D people.

I have not seen any pictures of you here. Maybe you'll give me a peek, so I can clear things up?

posted April 26, 2012 06:29 AM            

Like you my brother is also South East Asian and he also has many planets similar to yours:
Cap Sun
Air Moon
Cap Mercury
Aqua Venus in 12th house
15° Pisces Ascendant
No other planets in the 1st house

He is 5'11", square jaw, relatively bony face, slanted monolid eyes (compared to big watery Pisces eyes in the description). Very broad square shoulders, muscular and slender build. He is good at sports, especially martial arts. We have some “brutal” Mongolian dudes over here who love to harass and beat up meek & feeble South Eastern Asians but they always leave us alone ahaha. *touch wood*

From the description one might think Aries Ascendant but genetics also play a role, my parents are pretty tall, lean and muscular as well. My grandma was able to lift 50kg rice bags three stories high when she was 75. From what I remember my dad has a very athletic built without ever doing sports. -By comparison- my brother is slightly more “finer” built and does a lot of sports. Also my brother is pretty flexible, most Pisces I know are flexible. He also has very soft, elastic & mushy skin, you can tug out 2 inches with ease lol.

Character wise, he’s also an extremely strict, aggressive drill sergeant go getter.
Yet I have no doubt he is a Pisces Ascendant. He just does not have that aura of an Aries, I’ve met a few Aries Ascendants they are more warmer, fiery, energetic and they have contagious optimism. Also the Aries I know are quite straight forward and are awful at lying even if it’s for the sake of humor.