posted December 22, 2011 08:01 PM            

A genuine 29* Asc person will show some qualities of the next sign, since that sign will be covering most of their 1st house. A 0* Asc person has - no "cusp" effect from the preceding sign, which is fully in the 12th house. A person with a mutable rising sign, say Pisces, with a tight conjunction of planets, say Sun-Moon-Mercury in a fixed sign like Leo, will often not show a typical Pisces Asc face at all, but will look more Leo. However, Pisces will show in the personality and behavior of the person and there will be other physical indicators. The sign position and condition of the planetary ruler of the correct Asc sign will also affect things related to the body/face.

ARIES rising shows a bony or chiseled ovate head that in men can have a skeletal suggestion. The jawline can be narrow, but most often will be stronger than the other cardinal signs, and the neck is slimmer than normal. Sometimes the jawbone juts out from the face before tapering to the chin, breaking the usual rounded ovate outline.
Their energy is quick, courageous, direct and forward-moving (unless water or earth factors dampen the overall energy). The voice is normally louder or sharper than those around.
The eyes are active and can have a sharpness or brightness to them and there is a demeanor of energy. They eyebrows may be bushier or thicker than normal. The men can be rugged with a jutting or bony chin, which sometimes identifies them more than the outline of the face. Both sexes can be fair and ruddy, regardless of hair color (Caucasians). The personality is geared for action. These people lead with their initiative and can be quite bossy, "butt-inskies," and self-promoting. They tend to impose themselves on their surroundings with their agenda, getting others to do work for them. They are natural business builders, inventors, entrepreneurs.

TAURUS rising has a head and face that is more softly rectangular, and eyes to match: often brown, rounded, full, heavily lidded with long lashes and with a more steady gaze than Aries types.
Their energy is generally slow, deliberate, pacifying, sensible and grounded (unless fire or air factors show prominence). The voice is normally soft and pleasant, and speech consistent.
The nose tends to be broad or rounded at the tip and many have cute button noses. The neck or throat is thicker than normal. The shoulders tend to be rounded. The height is usually short to average. The energy is much slower in tempo than the Aries types and they are accommodating, but not easily pushed. In fact, they will resent it. They prefer routines. They are generally pleasant looking if not beautiful, and their personalities will match. Deliberate, easy, leisurely, steady and natural is how they operate. They are the stabilizers of the zodiac and can be calming and soothing during a crisis. They may not but very up or down, but can emote if needed to entertain.

GEMINI rising has a narrower head that is often longer than normal. Sometimes it is normal in length, but tapers to a narrow chin. There is often a high forehead, and the eyes can be wider apart than average.
Their energy is generally lateral, even scattered, receptive, communicative, quick and variable (unless enough earth or water factors calm it down). The voice may alternate quiet and louder, rising and falling easily in pitch or volume.
The eyes and movements of the hands are quick and varied, and the thinking and speech are quicker and more varied than Cancer or Taurus. They are alert and agile with longer than average limbs, hands and feet. The fingers are generally longer than average. They are talkers and can dominate the communication if confident of their audience. They generally can only be still if their hands and thoughts are focused on a task like writing, typing, or with crafts or artistic creativity. They tend to have intellectual interests, but have too much energy outward into the nervous system to not be physically active, even if only gesturing or walking.

CANCER rising's face is generally rounded or oval shaped face, but varies more depending on Sun sign and Moon position than other signs. The mouth tends to be wide and there is a generally a feeling, sympathetic look to the face.
Their energy is centripetal (outside-in) introverted, sensitive, receptive, reticent, cautious or conservative, protective, nurturing. They can be very in tune with the needs of others and public opinion, but can be moody and changeable in their own sensitivity (unless enough earth factors intervene). Their approach is subconscious and intuitive. The voice is generally modest in volume and speech reticent. This sign is often indicated over Leo on the Ascendant by the distinct tendency to mull over words before responding or bumbling them (so as not to offend), or allowing subconscious slips.
The skin is usually soft and the eyes will reflect this softness rather than a sharpness or intensity. These people are generally introverted, looking for a place of respect. They avoid confrontations normally and tend to exert influence more behind the scenes, taking control tacitly with the support of others. Whether they maintain close bonds with the family of their birth or not, closeness and support are still important and family has a great influence on how they relate to the world. Don't expect strength of logic behind their actions. Empathy and unity are more likely.

LEO rising has a rectangular or squarish head. The eyes are often large or bulging, but can be especially attractive, bright and magnetic. These eyes are more often widely-spaced than with signs.
Honor, integrity, courage, directness and honesty are the values of the balanced Leo rising person. The energy is that of one that wants to be recognized or dealt with. They can have a crude and loud approach (unless the humility of water or earth factors intervene) or a royal bearing, but they won't be ignored. The voice can be very appealing if soft or commanding if louder. Many are capable of great volumes that resonate from the chest.
The men tend to baldness. There can be a barrel chest with men and large bust with many of the women, but whatever the details, there is a strong, commanding presence or a statuesque look about them. The bones are generally large and the body sturdy, even blocky, but some are taller and more athletic. Some are swaybacked as if pushing out the chest with pride. With many there is an emphasis on upper body while the legs are skinny and knees knobby. They know they can be somebody, but some may stretch too hard in their ambition. They are natural leaders that radiate vitality and magnanimity.

VIRGO rising has a tapering head that is sometimes clearly v-shaped. The cranium is large, if only at the occipital area, and the forehead may be higher than normal, but the head narrows to a small neat mouth with modest lips.
Their energy is introverted, at least early in life, but alternating like other mutable signs, so the voice tends to be soft rather than loud or sharp (unless fire/air factors alter this pattern) and can have a nasal quality. It is oriented towards smaller-scale matters of details, analysis, information, being good polishers or finishers of enterprises begun by others. It is critical with a keen eye to flaws and how to correct them.
The chin may look chopped off short of a full triangle. The nose generally has a pinched bridge and is often straight and down-pointing. The eyes are closer together and smaller than most any Leo rising. They are short to tall, but generally have slender, even wiry bodies, at least when young. They are detail-oriented, health-oriented, conscientious, and want to get things right. These people are practical, but opportunistic. They can be physically susceptible and should take measures to maintain their health with exercise, diet, etc. Some have stronger constitutions and are gifted athletes. Their precision will show in their athletic approach. This rising sign is most likely to delay sexual involvement or marriage.

LIBRA rising produces a rounded, ovate head that is normally smallish unless altered by planets. Even the chin tends to be rounded and with a dimple or cleft.
The energy is initiating and persuasive, people smart and people-pleasing, asthetic and tactile, more cerebral than its fiery counterpart, Aries. The voice can be especially soft or smooth (unless fire factors significantly energize things).
The eyes and mouth are generally well-shaped and attractive, even if they are not models or beauty queens. The eyes are generally light, and in Caucasians can be of mixed color (blue-green). The skin is normally smooth, soft and complexion good. One characteristic that can often determine a genuine Libra rising is a swayback. It is as if they are holding back their vulnerabilities and it becomes a permanent posture. They have good taste and want to enjoy the good life. These people are lovers and people-oriented, initiating friendships easily. Their charm and easy-going approach to people makes and impression. However, many are either indecisive or changeable, or love to argue for kicks. The women especially will adorn themselves and know how to increase their attractiveness with bangles, jewelry and clothing. They can be people-pleasers, indulgent, procrastinating. They lead by persuasion. The men (and some women) often have a knack for mechanical things, machines, computers, etc.

SCORPIO rising shows a rectangular head.
Their energy is unrevealing but penetrating or searching, deep, hidden, intense, magnetic, powerful. The voice is generally restrained or obscured with many (especially males) speaking with clenched jaw or through their teeth (ala Clint Eastwood's characters). Many have strong resonant voices. Speech obscurities or unclarities of other types may show (the mumbling vocal style of Bob Dylan).
The eyes tend to be dark, and there is a tendency for many to wear tinted glasses or cover the eyes with a cap pulled low. The view into a Scorpio rising person is obscured on many levels. They can be short to tall, but will often be powerfully built or quietly imposing in some way. The overall look tends to be dark, but they can have very bright eyes, especially lined with a dark ring. The most common build is somewhat blocky, at least once they've reached adulthood, but the women can be especially curvy and desirable.These people don't let just anyone close and they can be hard to get to know. They can be very creative and have great capacity to excel, even rising quickly to the top. Their deep sensitivity can be either a great asset or cause for ongoing isolation. They can be very magnetic, often even erotic in their outer appeal. They are easily distinguished from Sagittarius or Libra by their private nature. The body language is generally not revealing of much and there is a tendency for the men to speak through nearly clenched teeth, as if stingy with words or what they might reveal. The communication is obscured, but they can say a lot with few words, or even a look.

SAGITTARIUS rising produces a longer head than normal, or at least a narrower one, and often with a back-sloping forehead or a noticeable ridge at the brow. Sometimes the head simply tapers from a wider forehead to a narrower chin in a V-shape like Virgo.
The energy is expansive, believing, outgoing, friendly and open, but many have "fled-to-the-head" with their expansive energy. The voice bears the same quality and the laughter can be especially uplifting, infectious and attention getting. The speech can sometimes involve stuttering because of enthusiastic thought energy that is so rapid it cannot be translated into words. At the very least excitability shows unless there is adequate earth, fixity or water to calm things down.
The ears and lobes are long most often and this distinguishes them from Capricorn, which has little if any ear lobes. The distance from mouth to chin is often elongated. The eyes can be especially brilliant, sparkling or twinkling and the energy is close to the surface nearly all the time. They are of the tallest in the zodiac, and the most extroverted. These people love freedom and truth, and are adventurous in their exploration of people, nature, philosophy and lands. They are actively open to the world, optimists, but oddly, often hypochondriac. The build is athletic, slender most often, but sometimes with more width. Even if short, the extroverted nature and breezy, friendly, open attitude gives them away. Their vision is farsighted and they must reach what captures their interest. They are restless and need to move and travel. The women are often tomboys in youth, going along and doing what the boys do, but can settle into womanhood to be quite appealing.

CAPRICORN rising gives a rounded-ovate head, often with compact faces and smaller features. The ears often stick out and there are little if any lobes. This sometimes creates an elfin or impish look.
The energy is reserved, formal, paternal, yet down-to-earth. Sometimes they seem to play the role of Pan, as dancers and mischief-makers. There can be restraint in the voice, in vivid contrast to the volume and exuberance of Sagittarius. Speech can be commanding when necessary, but normally is subdued (unless enough fire or air factors alter it).
The neck is usually thin and/or long. The build is most often slender, even delicate looking, but there is strength and endurance underneath. They can be short to tall, but the seriousness or personal reserve and desire for respect will give them away. Energy is held in reserve for longer lasting, more important achievements, but some can be lusty and earthier. They enjoy work, even thrive on it, and some can become irritable or depressed without a challenge or without the respect and authority they desire. They are generally either capable or crafty in getting this respect. Their reserve can come across as haughtiness to some, but they are generally polite and understand the need for tradition, rules and chain of command. Their active groundedness is actually in the legs so they are sure-footed and can be very graceful, so some are natural dancers.

AQUARIUS rising produces a squarish or rectangular head.
The energy is a contradiction of the outward-directed outside-in (centripetal) dynamic: social but individualistic. Their magnetism draws people because they are different and because the project comfort with being different. This is reflected in the voice, which can distinct and be projected for great effect, but may not be loud one-to-one.
They build tends to be solid or blocky or at least square-shouldered. Often the lower body is solid and strong. The height is normally medium to tall. They are distinctive people and can show this in something unusual about their appearance. They have insight into human nature and are strong-willed, intellectual, and very opinionated at times. Many are crowd-pleasing performers. They enjoy being different and revel in it. Justice and being kind to the underdog are common attitudes. Sometimes they themselves are the underdog. Their energy is extroverted, but often in an introverted way, happy to be with others even when quiet. Many of them are complex and identify as much with what must be done in society as with their own personal identity.

PISCES rising has a narrow/longish face, sometimes v-shaped, but curved.
Their energy is subtle, not normally direct, mysterious, but not particularly secretive, visionary, intuitive. The voice is soft, easy and gentle, in direct contrast to the pace and sharpness of Aries.
The skin often has a clear appearance that is luminescent. This is much like their personalities, which are the most humble, transparent and sacrificial in the zodiac. The eyes are often large and round or bulging. They tend to be dark or of mixed color, but can be bright. They are generally inquisitive and can be great listeners, giving you their full attention. There is mystery about them that makes many of them very alluring. Their sensitivity comes out at times when they speak to empathize with or defend others, especially who are not there to defend themselves. Prejudiced attitudes are hard to find among these people. They are empathetic and forgiving more than others. Their talent for and love of music, poetry, dancing, role-playing can give them away when paired with the facial features.

posted December 23, 2011 04:28 PM            

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Originally posted by BelligerentPygmy:
*laugh*

And...most people look nothing like the description for their ascendant sign.

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If you're going by what shows on the chart they have, yes. Many charts - at least 40% - do not show the correct Asc sign.

posted December 23, 2011 10:51 PM            

I love that you use this as an example

People do tell me, they see Leo in me... Even though I have a Pisces ASC..

posted December 23, 2011 11:01 PM            

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Originally posted by Lioness:
Kannon here helped me rectify my chart to find my correct asc.

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posted December 23, 2011 11:03 PM            

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Originally posted by Lonake:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Lioness:
[b]Kannon here helped me rectify my chart to find my correct asc.

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posted December 24, 2011 04:52 PM            

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Originally posted by Lonake:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Lioness:
[b]Kannon here helped me rectify my chart to find my correct asc.

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Thank you! And yes I am working on a 3 volume set: The Faces of Astrology, Basic Rectification, and Advanced Rectification. The first one will be self published early in 2012, the others will follow as soon as possible.

I would like to point out once again that the above descriptions are brief summaries based on *Validated* (proven) Ascendants, not presumptive ones, because of an "accurate" birth time. The native has no way of knowing how accurately their own birth time was recorded. Many people will post here saying this or that specific quality doesn't fit me. What matters is which one fits overall - generally.

There are definite indicators that point to the correct Asc sign even if it disagrees with what is implied by the birth record.

mintgirl123:
My statement about conventionally cast birth horoscopes having the wrong Asc sign around 40% of the time (or more) isn't given flippantly. It is based on trans-generational research by master astrologers in the Incarn line. Incarn astrology takes into account the inter-dimensional nature of humans and the birth process as they incarnate from soul to flesh and blood. Very few charts conventionally cast have even the correct degree on the Asc. It is rare. I'll explain this best I can in one or more of my books.

RegardesPlatero:
There are many Sag rising types whose heads have a larger cranium and face tapering towards the chin. Like you say, its often the eyes that give you away. The correct sign will always be distinct from those adjacent to it.

MesslyLilLeo:
a "large or powerful" rump is not indicative of Sagittarius, but of Pluto, and often Libra depending on exactly what you mean. Libra's rump often appears pronounced because of a spinal swayback. Many Plutonian generation Libra types have this plus a more fleshy rear end. Its not a Sag trait. My mom has nothing in Sag at all, but has the extra 'rump.' She has Sun closely Parallel Pluto.

These Descriptions above are general outlines that I've found useful enough to work with and share with others, but when I publish these volumes I will included much more complete and/or concise essentials for quick identification. A lot of it has to do with a lot of practice in seeing people a certain way and noticing things others don't.

posted December 24, 2011 05:00 PM            

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A person with a mutable rising sign, say Pisces, with a tight conjunction of planets, say Sun-Moon-Mercury in a fixed sign like Leo, will often not show a typical Pisces Asc face at all, but will look more Leo. However, Pisces will show in the personality and behavior of the person and there will be other physical indicators. The sign position and condition of the planetary ruler of the correct Asc sign will also affect things related to the body/face.
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I love that you use this as an example

People do tell me, they see Leo in me... Even though I have a Pisces ASC..

OO BTW... Kannon here helped me rectify my chart to find my correct asc.

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Yes, you make a great example of someone who appears as an exception to the typical Pisces Asc facial outline. Your face is broader and at first glance might be seen as rectangular as you'd expect with a fixed sign. However, even in your pictures I was able to see the graceful curve of your head especially in the forehead area. This is distinct from Aries and with the description of your personality made Pisces a lock.

This is a vital point. It isn't that a person's face/head has to match a stereotypical or simple description, but that there are definite distinctions between the Asc signs, both in physical features and personality. So much of this has become so intuitive and automatic with me over this past year that some people are simply in disbelief at how quickly I can complete and validate a rectification, assuming it was an off-the-cuff offering.

I'll improve upon how each sign is presented best I can in what I write. Maybe I can even get some of you to review it and give me feedback for subsequent editions which I think will be inevitable.

Thanks to all of you for your interest. Happy Holidays

posted December 29, 2011 08:32 PM            

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I became insane, with long
intervals of horrible
sanity.-Poe

If the truth is relative then there's nothing that is really true.

You were created the same way I was and will eventually be destroyed the same way as well.

Who saw him die?

posted December 29, 2011 08:33 PM            

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Those descriptions are obviously Caucasian centric. To say that it applies across all cultures in just ridiculous. I can't relate to a single one of those ASC descriptions.

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posted December 29, 2011 08:34 PM            

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Originally posted by L0veLess:
ya same as always libra asc. never describes me physically or personality wise. hahah only once when i read the negative side description of libra asc. did it sorta sound like me.

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posted December 29, 2011 08:37 PM            

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How do you look like?

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ummm i have brown eyes nothing spectacular no cool specks or anything haha i DO have the cleftish chin which i mentioned in some other thread but its probably genetic since my dad has that and other ppl in my fam too. And my face is kinda squarish i have a strong jaw i think. But im not into the whole asc determining yur physical looks too much. Its better for personality but even then it doesnt really describe me well there nor does it for my friends. I still wonder about asc's though and why even bother having them.

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I became insane, with long
intervals of horrible
sanity.-Poe

If the truth is relative then there's nothing that is really true.

You were created the same way I was and will eventually be destroyed the same way as well.

Who saw him die?

posted December 29, 2011 08:46 PM            

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Originally posted by L0veLess:
ummm i have brown eyes nothing spectacular no cool specks or anything haha i DO have the cleftish chin which i mentioned in some other thread but its probably genetic since my dad has that and other ppl in my fam too. And my face is kinda squarish i have a strong jaw i think. But im not into the whole asc determining yur physical looks too much. Its better for personality but even then it doesnt really describe me well there nor does it for my friends. I still wonder about asc's though and why even bother having them.

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You don't sound atypical. Libra is Cardinal sign,strong features are very common. As for the eye colour,I have read more articles insisting on brown eyes than on light shade.

Cleft chin is always genetics. Just like genes,we share similar planets' positions and influences with our families.

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Virgo asc hair is very fine and difficult to style; it almost
looks unwashed and is usually kept in a ponytail.

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posted December 29, 2011 08:51 PM            

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Venus^
ya but theres so many ppl with brown eyes anyway lol
i like family astrology tho.

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posted December 29, 2011 09:04 PM            

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I became insane, with long
intervals of horrible
sanity.-Poe

If the truth is relative then there's nothing that is really true.

You were created the same way I was and will eventually be destroyed the same way as well.

Who saw him die?