posted January 22, 2012 07:59 PM            

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Originally posted by SaggiMC:
you can divide 30 by periods of 10 and research decanates and/or Dwads..

Decanates http://astrology.findyourfate.com/as...-decanates.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decan http://www.horoscopeswithin.com/decans.php http://www.astroroom.com/astrology-decans.html http://www.essortment.com/astrology-...tes-63894.html

dwads/duads http://aliceportman.com/calculating-duad-and-dwad-charts/

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I know what decans and duads/dwads are.

posted January 22, 2012 11:01 PM            

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Originally posted by RedScorp:
Do you believe in them? Do you use house cusps and sign cusps?

Like, I read that a planet can be considered to be in two houses when really close to the border...so, I dunno, why not the same with signs?

In my opinion...

I like cusps. I use a sooper small range, though, like the planets at 28, 29, 0, 1 and 2 degrees are cusp planets to me. I find those planets are conflicted between the two energies.

For example! My Cancer friend has a Aries-Taurus Moon. Her Moon doesn't make any aspects to Mars and it isn't in the First, yet we find she behaves like both at different times.

But like, I know cusps aren't too popular around here - I mean, whatever works for you, right?

[b]So, do you cusp or do you not cusp?

EDIT! I suppose I should mention I only consider cusps for the personal planets. The rest it's just like whatever.[/B]

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i use the small range on cusps too, i noticed 27 degrees and 3 degrees is pretty much in the sign. my moons in 3 degrees virgo and its soo true to virgo in every way

posted January 22, 2012 11:26 PM            

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Originally posted by RedScorp:
Uh, to the people who say you're either one sign or the other, yeah, that's how it is.

But like, to me, a cusp is that area where the next or previous sign can still be felt. C:

I don't think you can be both signs either.

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Agreed.
And yet still trying to figure my opinion on western and vedic having different moons and both being correct then?.. Ah as I said humans are complex..

posted January 22, 2012 11:38 PM            

On the other hand, I do believe in cusps when it comes to Houses. For instance, I have the Moon at 11deg Gemini; my 9th House cusp is 14deg Gemini and I feel like a full-blown Moon in the 9th House. It's not a matter of my birth time being off by a few minutes, because if it were, certain degrees that were inherited from my family would be off, too. It's simply that house cusps are not physical entities like constellations in the sky, so it makes more sense that borders here are interchangeable. I tend to feel that this only applies to the theory that a planet would take on the influence of the House it's going into, not coming from. Many astrologers read planets within the last 4 degrees of a house to be completely in the next house. I like to think it takes on the influence of both, but that the succedent house is felt more potently. I resonate with certain things attributed to Moon in the 8th, but my love of philosophy, my mother having moved all around the world and being extremely well-traveled and religious, and my own yearning for spiritual enlightenment and ease in picking up foreign languages all point to Moon in the 9th. My Neptune is also at 15deg Capricorn, my 4th House cusp is 18deg Capricorn. While my father and Cusps have always been a bone of contention. Especially for me, born on December 19th, cusps have always been a touchy subject. I can't tell you how many times someone will learn of my birthdate and exclaim, "Oh, you're not a true Sagittarius, then! You're actually a mix of Sagittarius and Capricorn!" Aside from being positively infuriating, this is simply not the case. My Sun is at 27deg Sagittarius, and I can honestly say I'm not akin to a Sun in Capricorn in the least. The notion that one could be a "cuspian" is ignorance at play: one planet can only reside in one constellation at a time. It's for this very reason that exact degrees were implemented to begin with: to differentiate between what sign the planet falls in - down to the very minute!

Now, BlackSeraph, who has her Sun at 0deg Virgo, claims to feel like a Virgo/Leo blend. I'm inclined to say that he/she may have other personal planets in the sign of Leo (i.e.: Moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars). Because Mercury and Venus can only reside in the sign before or after the Sun, this is typically the case.

On the contrary, I do believe the notion of "cusps" is valid when referring to House Cusps and the ability for a planet near one to be felt in both houses. However, I tend to feel that the subsequent house takes precedence over the previous, if only just slightly. For instance, I have the Moon at 11deg Gemini; while my 9th House Cusp is 14deg Gemini (3 deg away), I feel very much like a Moon in the 9th House: my mother was an Army Brat and very well-travelled by virtue of that type of upbringing; she was born to parents from a foreign country; she comes from a devout Catholic family and is quite religious herself; plus, I love travel and have a gift for picking up foreign languages. I do resonate with certain attributes of Moon in the 8th House, but not nearly as much as its 9th House variation. Also, my Neptune is at 15deg Capricorn, while my IC is 18deg Capricorn. While I did indeed have an immediate family and childhood that were Neptunian in the extreme (4th House), I am very much Neptune in the 3rd as well: I love poetry, have an incredibly intuitive mind, possess a photographic memory, only have an aptitude to learn artistic subjects, and have a very docile speaking voice but am able to project quite loudly yet gracefully when singing. I am an accomplished operatic vocalist.

posted January 23, 2012 02:00 AM            

Funny you should mention Leo and Aries: I have both the Sun and Mars in the 3rd House.

posted January 23, 2012 02:01 AM            

Funny you should mention Leo and Aries: I have both the Sun and Mars in the 3rd House.

posted January 23, 2012 12:17 PM              

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
i know cusps are legit and i wish more astrologers took them seriously, my brother has his sun,moon,venus,mars all right on 29 degrees of leo, he is also a leo ascendant,so if we go by conventional astrological wisdom that cusps dont exist he should be the epitome of a leo,but he isnt,he does have leo traits ,but he is definitely more virgo,he is a penny pincher,he works in the healthfield,he only eats organic foods and is obsessed with being healthy,and he is always harping and criticizing me about being irresponsible and telling me i need to eat healthy,now does that sound like a leo to you?

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post the chart please? How sure are you of TOB? He would be last decanate of leo, which would be leo/aries influenced. Let's not forget by progression here after age 1, SUN would have progressed into VIRGO for next 30years, and then libra for next 30years. SO that's why he/you identify with it sooo strongly...

posted January 23, 2012 12:18 PM              

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Originally posted by amowls**:
Sidereal zodiac isn't exactly accurate, either. Constellations vary in size and aren't a perfect 30 degrees.

I don't do cusps. I have 3 planets at 29 degrees.

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Research 'critical degrees' then. I don't know anyone that uses sidereal astrology either....

But if you want to research the differences, here you go..

Sidereal v tropical astrology http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/astrology_plain_english/68808 http://www.lightonvedicastrology.com/articles-sidereal_tropical.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidereal_astrology http://w3.cultdeadcow.com/cms/2006/1...olution-o.html http://www.westernsiderealastrology.com/cyrilfagan/cyrilfagan.asp http://www.martingansten.com/ts.php

precession http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4140&postcount=2 http://www.astrologycom.com/precession.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zodiac#Precession_of_the_equinoxes http://www.astro.com/astrology/in_praezession_e.htm http://skepdic.com/astrology.html

posted January 23, 2012 12:21 PM              

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Originally posted by Geminisquared:
My ascendant is 29 degrees cancer. I feel and behave more leo, my progressed ascendant is in leo so that could be it also. :P Good question I've thought of that too

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main problem with Asc degrees is the TOB, and getting the right Asc degree. And of course, secondary progressions will alter and modify your outward expressions

posted January 23, 2012 12:22 PM              

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Originally posted by BlackSeraph:
Given my sun being at 0 Virgo 15'31", I'm a firm believer in cusps. I could be biased in the proximity of my sun to the line between Leo and Virgo however.

It does seem like I have Leo tendencies at times, sun-sign-wise. Now the other planets, I don't have any of those at 0 or 29 degrees, although the size-from-earth vantage point idea does make sense to me.

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would you care to post your chart. You *could have* LEO traits IF you have something in 5th house of Leo....

posted January 23, 2012 12:51 PM              

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Originally posted by BeholdAstarte:
i use cusps. my mercury is a cusp and uranus is on the 8th/9th house cusp. i cant side with only one side because i relate too well to both.

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“Astrologers have seen a body influencing the house it is about to enter, time and time again. All theorizing aside, the planet casting its shadow ahead works. I can speak from personal experience, as well as reading ancient texts. If you discover this as true, then the next question may be, "Just how close must a body be to a cusp before it begins to be felt in the neighboring house?"
I've seen some authors say 3 degrees. I've seen some that give 5 degrees. I have seen some that even give 8 degrees. And there may be other variations.” http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/90c9f417-5086-4ff0-b31f-c904fe99baca

posted January 23, 2012 12:52 PM              

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Originally posted by alaz7200:
@RedScorp: My Mercury (2nd House) is conjunct Mars (3rd House) in Sagittarius. The conjunction is directly opposed my Moon in Gemini (9th House). This is all square Jupiter in Virgo (11th House). Why do you ask?

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So just to add another mix, ALL depends on which house system you use. I use Equal house....

now any planet within 5' of house is said to be more effective in the next house along going anticlockwise...

Planets conj House cusp
“Ascendant at 15’ Libra and Jupiter 13’ Libra. That would place Jupiter in the 12th house, right? But many thoughtful astrologers would read this as Jupiter being conjunction with Ascendant, and end up reading it as bringing its action to bear in the first house, rather than in the 12th.
This same idea would apply for each and every house cusp. If the planet is IN THE SAME SIGN as the sign on the next house cusp, and close enough to be CONJUNCT WITH that next house cusp, the action of the planet will be directed into oncoming house” http://www.astrology-numerology.com/inhouses.html http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14887 http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=125412&postcount=4
Ptolemy says the influence of the house begins to be felt 5° before the actual cusp. http://www.astrologycom.com/houses.html

“Astrologers have seen a body influencing the house it is about to enter, time and time again. All theorizing aside, the planet casting its shadow ahead works. I can speak from personal experience, as well as reading ancient texts. If you discover this as true, then the next question may be, "Just how close must a body be to a cusp before it begins to be felt in the neighboring house?"
I've seen some authors say 3 degrees. I've seen some that give 5 degrees. I have seen some that even give 8 degrees. And there may be other variations.” http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/90c9f417-5086-4ff0-b31f-c904fe99baca

posted January 23, 2012 02:35 PM            

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Originally posted by SaggiMC:
Research 'critical degrees' then. I don't know anyone that uses sidereal astrology either....

But if you want to research the differences, here you go..

Sidereal v tropical astrology http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/astrology_plain_english/68808 http://www.lightonvedicastrology.com/articles-sidereal_tropical.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidereal_astrology http://w3.cultdeadcow.com/cms/2006/1...olution-o.html http://www.westernsiderealastrology.com/cyrilfagan/cyrilfagan.asp http://www.martingansten.com/ts.php

precession http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4140&postcount=2 http://www.astrologycom.com/precession.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zodiac#Precession_of_the_equinoxes http://www.astro.com/astrology/in_praezession_e.htm http://skepdic.com/astrology.html

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Thanks, this is all old news to me.

posted January 23, 2012 04:01 PM            

Progressed, her Sun will nevah be in Pisces but she still has a Pisces Sun feel (both her and I and our friend recognizes it).

EDIT! I meant Saturn, not Neptune, Tenth and not Twelfth. Capricorn instead of Pisces.

posted January 24, 2012 12:03 AM            

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Originally posted by SaggiMC:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by BeholdAstarte:
[b]i use cusps. my mercury is a cusp and uranus is on the 8th/9th house cusp. i cant side with only one side because i relate too well to both.

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“Astrologers have seen a body influencing the house it is about to enter, time and time again. All theorizing aside, the planet casting its shadow ahead works. I can speak from personal experience, as well as reading ancient texts. If you discover this as true, then the next question may be, "Just how close must a body be to a cusp before it begins to be felt in the neighboring house?"
I've seen some authors say 3 degrees. I've seen some that give 5 degrees. I have seen some that even give 8 degrees. And there may be other variations.” http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/90c9f417-5086-4ff0-b31f-c904fe99baca

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yah ive read all about cusps and having influence on the next sign over but i still dont want to side with just one house. i feel like uranus influences both spheres of my life. when i read both interpretations, they both fit. plus my uranus is on the cusp of sag/cap and that house is on the cusp of sag/cap because it lands on the cusp dead on.

posted January 24, 2012 12:05 AM            

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Originally posted by amowls**:
Actually, her progressed Sun will be in Pisces when she's 31.

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OMG...OMG OMG OMG I MEAN CAPRICORN CUSP, I THOUGHT OF THE WRONG THIGN AT THE WRONG TIME 'CAUSE I CONSIDERED THE RPEOGNRPWMGV...

F!ck I screwed up...

I meant, she's a Capricorn-Aquarius cusp with no planets in Capricorn, but I was busy thinking about Pisces so I listed her lacking of Pisces-Twelfth-Neptune. Her Saturn is more notable than her Neptune, but...

posted January 25, 2012 10:09 PM            

I just thought I'd leave a post in this ever so lovely thread of yours.