posted January 23, 2012 12:00 PM              

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Originally posted by sc0rpioRising:
Yeah so they say, if you have Venus in the 4th, you'll find love through family (maybe family introduced you to someone) or in the 10th, through work, or 11th, through friends... So how would Venus in the 12th work out to be?

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I have venus in 4th and was never introduced like this. You need to look what rules 7th and 5th to make the connections....

so start here... http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology/houserulerships.htm

Venus in 12th will be modified by what sign it's in, AND how it's aspected will explain how it will express..

do you want to post your chart?

posted January 23, 2012 12:03 PM              

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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
Hospital,sanctuary of some kind,lightning house,prison...

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it can mean SOoooo much more than this aniquated traditional view. http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology/houses.htm#house12

what the 12th tends to do is *dissolve* planetarty energies and transmute them

With regards relationships they may look for the overidealised spiritual soul mate connection. But would be very private and perhaps not want to discuss matters or make a relationship 'public'

posted January 23, 2012 12:41 PM            

Venus may be one of the hardest planets to have in the 12th house. Neptune is thought to be the easiest, followed by Jupiter. After that, it is a matter of opinion, perhaps. To me, Venus seems hard. We, all, need love. Love is the soul food for the human. Venus is the planet of love, all love, not just that between lovers. The 12th house Venus seems to sit on the sidelines and watch love go by. There does not seem to be much for her. She may think that the outer world is denying her, but that is not the case. The outer world, reflects the inner world, in most cases. This Venus hurts too much to put herself forward and risk rejection. She may try, but she may find herself hiding under the bed, as the result of the effort and vowing not to try, again. Love seems to come easily to some. To Venus in the 12th house, she is a creature of the next dimension, as are all holders of 12th house planets. As such, she needs a lover to take her hand and encourage her to come out, that she is loved despite her flaws, which she magnifies more than any one else could. Be gentle with this Venus. You will have a special creature love you, if she gives you her heart.

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posted January 23, 2012 12:50 PM            

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Originally posted by SaggiMC:
I have venus in 4th and was never introduced like this. You need to look what rules 7th and 5th to make the connections....

so start here... http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology/houserulerships.htm

Venus in 12th will be modified by what sign it's in, AND how it's aspected will explain how it will express..

do you want to post your chart?

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Oh I see! im not allowed to post the chart, I havent asked! Im just concerned for a friend who always seems to get the wrong person, but it makes her feel good. She has venus in libra in 12th house. So secrective its unbelievable, but nice enough person. I told her all about astrology and her chart, but she just laughed at me and thinks its all rubbish! lol! Anyways her ascendant libra, so is venus, so is mercury and sun!I really want to help her be happy, she needs a little guidance, I know astrology can help a little! 7th house ruler is aries then, and 5th house ruler is aquarius, but she has no planets in either!

posted January 23, 2012 01:58 PM            

*Oh, perhaps I should add that Venus in 12th people, or those with 12th houses are very private and loners. It's not a bad thing, more of a necessity for me...And I find the peace and quiet very enjoyable. For example, like today, I enjoy the fact that the pouring rain is putting a stop to the hustle and bustle in our lives. The sound of rain is calming. We can all use a time to slow down and relax. A good match for me would be a person, unlike many people my age, would enjoy reflections like this.

posted January 23, 2012 02:10 PM            

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Originally posted by sc0rpioRising:
Oh I see! im not allowed to post the chart, I havent asked! Im just concerned for a friend who always seems to get the wrong person, but it makes her feel good. She has venus in libra in 12th house. So secrective its unbelievable, but nice enough person. I told her all about astrology and her chart, but she just laughed at me and thinks its all rubbish! lol! Anyways her ascendant libra, so is venus, so is mercury and sun!I really want to help her be happy, she needs a little guidance, I know astrology can help a little! 7th house ruler is aries then, and 5th house ruler is aquarius, but she has no planets in either!

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Your friend has the same placements as me.

To me the twelfth house is about learning to love unconditionally, expecting nothing in return. (Without being a walk over or doormat either.) Respecting and loving yourself unconditionally is just as important if not more, to find happiness.

Like your friend, I'm also very secretive, if I type something here, I usually regret it and edit it away lol. It feels that if I complain about something, I have no right to, and if I want to share something happy I don't deserve it so I hide it.

posted January 23, 2012 04:02 PM            

I'm a banker by profession and I engage in constant human interaction. So, there goes the secretive isolationist worker stereotype.

My Saturn is also in the 12th House and I ffind loving myself extremely difficult. I perpetually fail to live up to my self-expectations and personal ambitions, and therefore I am perpetually dissatisfied. Being a Capricorn does not help. Whatever I accomplish is never good enough.

posted January 23, 2012 04:58 PM              

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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
Being a Capricorn does not help. Whatever I accomplish is never good enough.

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posted January 23, 2012 06:58 PM            

Seriously, if there's anyone who gets and has espoused the whole 'it happens when you least expect and are not looking for it' philosophy, it's me. I've never gone looking for a relationship. Ever. When someone came onto my radar that struck the right chords, I made myself receptive, and if they responded in kind, I made myself available (enough) to see if relating was on the agenda.

My Venus is in shadow, too. It's sad.

The most I get out of her is being a very detail-oriented, profound and pithy creative. It ALL gets channelled into my work for the most part.

I met most boyfriends in academia, some mutual recreation spots, and at work. I was also the queen of the ambiguous platonic relationship.

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posted January 23, 2012 07:13 PM            

But the second someone DOES get past the gauntlet? Oh, man. That's a WHOLE 'nother story. Otherwise, I'm definitely a loner who tends to go through cycles where - I'm just fine living in my head, thanks much! - only to realise, 'Hey! Where'd everybody go?' I'm like the guy coming out from under the rock, stretching and rubbing his eyes. -yawn- 'So. What's up? I'd like to relate now ... You guys cool with that?'

Of course my Venus is far more proper, and, I've realised, the embodiment of my distant English heritage. (Oxford, mind.) She's very erudite and keeps to herself but dreams of fantasy and romance and ...

Oh, cripes. I think my Venus is Disney's Belle from 'Beauty and the Beast'.

... But didn't she end up with a dude locked away in a castle with a big secret? Huh? HUH? DIDN'T SHE? (I'm not yelling at you, I'm ribbing you in the side with a big smile on my face. See how that gets misconstrued?)

I've definitely been 'locked away' by a terrible person before I learnt how to be on my own two feet and stop being a bloody doormat. Crucial to this placement, I feel, as we all run the risk of coming from a background where our feelings were overlooked in place of Serving The Greater Good of the Family and all that rot.

Took that long, gruelling abusive relationship for me to go, 'Y'know what, bub, I'm outta here.' Sure, it made me VERY leery to get into another relationship, but karma handled that.

OH! KARMA!

That's a big one we're missing here. (Unless I missed it; excuse me if I did.)

I still kind of shake my head at the fact I'm married with a stepdaughter. THAT was never in my plan. I'm all for love and all that, but I never gazed upon brides and went through wedding magazines and dreamt of my Big Day. For me, it was more practical, (she IS in Virgo, after all). Why make such a focus about what's just the beginning of the legalising of a - hopefully - permanent relationship? I don't understand Bridezillas. My best bridesmaid (long story) had her car breakdown outside of the city where she was at BEFORE driving even further to where the wedding was - 18 hours to the ceremony. I wished her luck and asked what I could do; there was nothing. Luck arrived, she and I made floral bouquets at 2AM, and by 7PM the following day, she was in procession, with a slightly longer hem to her dress than we would've liked.

Meh.

Where was I? Oh, karma.

I've certainly had my share of karmic relationships, and a few secret ones. Quite intense, too, and serious-minded. But it seems karma directs my 'destiny' in terms of love and commitment. My stepdaughter clearly needed her dad and I to come together and get married. Otherwise, I'd probably still be single, creating in my dark hovel, and wondering what all the fuss the Scorpio and Sagittarius placements keep going on about.

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posted January 23, 2012 07:52 PM            

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Originally posted by SaggiMC:
I have venus in 4th and was never introduced like this. You need to look what rules 7th and 5th to make the connections....

so start here... http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology/houserulerships.htm

Venus in 12th will be modified by what sign it's in, AND how it's aspected will explain how it will express..

do you want to post your chart?

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My husband's ruler of the 7th is Jupiter and it lands in the 3rd house. We met online via myspace.com and he is american and I am fromt the caribbean. Third house having to do with communication would explain that we met via internet and since jupiter rules his 7th it explains why he ended up with a foreign chick.

Ruler of my 7th is mercury which falls in the 9th in placidus and again mercury rules communication but it lands in the 9th also which explains that we met via internet and that I married a foreigner.

We talked for two weeks straight for many hours every day before we met in person and we are both from different countries.

posted January 23, 2012 07:58 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Venus in the 12th House

Venus may be one of the hardest planets to have in the 12th house. Neptune is thought to be the easiest, followed by Jupiter. After that, it is a matter of opinion, perhaps. To me, Venus seems hard. We, all, need love. Love is the soul food for the human. Venus is the planet of love, all love, not just that between lovers. The 12th house Venus seems to sit on the sidelines and watch love go by. There does not seem to be much for her. She may think that the outer world is denying her, but that is not the case. The outer world, reflects the inner world, in most cases. This Venus hurts too much to put herself forward and risk rejection. She may try, but she may find herself hiding under the bed, as the result of the effort and vowing not to try, again. Love seems to come easily to some. To Venus in the 12th house, she is a creature of the next dimension, as are all holders of 12th house planets. As such, she needs a lover to take her hand and encourage her to come out, that she is loved despite her flaws, which she magnifies more than any one else could. Be gentle with this Venus. You will have a special creature love you, if she gives you her heart.

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This describes perfectly my aqua friend who has venus in sag in the 12th conjunct Saturn.

posted January 23, 2012 08:09 PM            

"The idea of Venus in house 12 as begin somehow "weak" is not accurate. In fact, Venus is STRONGEST in house 12. This does not mean that Venus is weak energy by itself, but it does indicate that Venus is less about focusing on the person themselves (low house number) and more about focusing on other people and the world in general (higher house number). So when Venus gets as impersonal as possible in focus (house 12) is when it is at its most powerful."

posted January 23, 2012 08:10 PM            

I met my husband in a bar.. LOL

venus in h4
ruler of h5 = moon in h6
ruler of h7= mercury in h6

But then again, it was a marriage, not necessarily true love. I wonder if that makes the difference??

posted January 23, 2012 08:10 PM            

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Originally posted by SaggiMC:

With regards relationships they may look for the overidealised spiritual soul mate connection. But would be very private and perhaps not want to discuss matters or make a relationship 'public'

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Big Sigh!! That is why I love venus in the 12th......it doesn't get more romantic than that. My moon in Pisces can relate.

Venus in the 12th wants that unattainable love is the sense I am getting:

"...there is a special ingredient to the pursuit of the unobtainable, and often the deeper motivation is artistic or spiritual. Sometimes, when we seek unobtainable love, it actually has little to do with human beings. But we may translate our creative or mystical longings into the pursuit of those we cannot have. In this way we open up a dimension of the psyche which has more to do with creative fantasy than with relationship."

posted January 23, 2012 08:14 PM            

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Originally posted by Lioness:
I dont think my venus nor my H5/H7 ruler show how I met my husband..

I met my husband in a bar.. LOL

venus in h4
ruler of h5 = moon in h6
ruler of h7= mercury in h6

But then again, it was a marriage, not necessarily true love. I wonder if that makes the difference??

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You have three planets in Leo and I have two in leo (venus/mars) and I met my ex at a club and he was a big love for sure.

My first boyfriend is actually dominican like me but I met him at church: ruler of my 7th is in mercury in the 9th .

posted January 23, 2012 08:17 PM              

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Venus in the 12th wants that unattainable love is the sense I am getting:

"...there is a special ingredient to the pursuit of the unobtainable, and often the deeper motivation is artistic or spiritual. Sometimes, when we seek unobtainable love, it actually has little to do with human beings. But we may translate our creative or mystical longings into the pursuit of those we cannot have. In this way we open up a dimension of the psyche which has more to do with creative fantasy than with relationship."

-Liz Greene[/B]

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posted January 23, 2012 08:21 PM              

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Originally posted by Lioness:
I have said before, and Ill say it again.. I wonder if we "really" dont marry our true love...
We marry what fits our 7th???

Do we marry for our 7th, and not our love..

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