posted January 29, 2012 08:53 PM            

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Originally posted by Lotis White:
YTA said “Uranus in 7th means an inability to commit, an inability to keep stable relationships, an eye for the "unavailable," likes unusual/weird partners, etc. Pluto in 7th means a domineering SOB who needs to find a submissive partner to lord over, someone who cannot be amicable when dealing with others, etc.”

Pluto in the 7th can also be about intense feelings of loyalty and dedication in a relationship…. And a strong need for emotional intimacy with a partner…. Pluto is does not always function like a dominatrix in the 7th… this is an overly hyped astrological stereotype…. Just cos one or two freaks may fit this extreme profile, does not make it true for everyone with this placement…

Uranus in the 7th is also not always an inability to commit, or even a ‘crazy’ partner…. But it usually does confer a partnership that is ‘different’, or does not fit the norms of society in some way. And as I recall you are an Asian man married to a white southern women…..and this is certainly unusual. I’m sure most people take a second look when they see the two of you together because it’s kind of unexpected…But, hey, I love odd couples personally…. They make life interesting…. There is something so beautiful about seeing two totally different people love each other despite (or even because of) these differences…. (I have Uranus semi-square Venus)…

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I was going to say something similar.

People forget that Pluto is also about devotion and its placement in 7H can have so many meanings. Honestly, you can look at your relationship with your spouse as enough evidence to contradict what has been said about this placement. In the 7H, Pluto can point to hard work to preserve your relation; you won't give up on it easily and God help anyone who tries to come between you. There is a deep and powerful love between you and a feeling of fate could have been felt early on. You're willing to do whatever you have to do to make significant relationships work.

Uranus in 7H can point to relationships having a funny start. Your beginning was more unusual than traditional/trendy norms. I think you said that early in your relationship with your wife you would sleep in the same bed, but had not taken it to the level that most other couples would have by then. That's "odd" enough. Lol. And with Pluto's presence there it must have been very hard, but you had the discipline.

posted February 01, 2012 02:39 AM            

"et me tell you, I have always enjoyed your posts as well, and find them to be spot on and interesting."
Thank you.

" I think we are like astrological kindred spirits, especially with the relationship/house synastry type stuff"
Yes, I think so, too.
It is so rare that I meet someone who speaks "my astrological language", but you do, and you do to a degree that is simply astounding.

But it is not only that you reflect back to me what I already know or believe or think, but you often add a certain something, that inspires me; sometimes it is something that I sort of sensed, but wasn`t conscious about before, like the secondary houserulers. And when you spelled it out, it really clicked.
my 3rd house Jupiter really loves it when pieces of the mental / astrological puzzle come together like this.

" believe it trines your Cancer Saturn (I remember your chart from your reading), and your Pisces Jupiter…..and your Moon in Aqua falls into my 3rd trining my Pluto in Libra, and sextiling my Neptune in Sagittarius….."
You have an amazing memory of my chart!

Yes, that is true. My Pisces Jupiter likes that trine to your uranus, being in 3rd house and your Uranus being in my 11th house of shared views.
Our synastry really emphasizes our occupation with astrology, doesn`t it? With Uranus and 11th house playing such a role?

"I believe you also have an Aquarius third house cusp…. "
Yes, with Pisces intercepted. I start out mentally like an Aquarius, but then you will discover the Neptunian flavour after a while.
Interestingly, in my solar arc I am having SA uranus conjunct Neptune currently (this being in my 1st house and on NN), so this definitely is a timeframe to delve into the Uranus-Neptune theme in my life, and it is so closely connected to the 3rd house (plus the 1st and 11th house).
Maybe it had even be fuelled by the recent mutual reception of Tr Uranus in Pisces and Tr Neptune in Aquarius, sort of a preparation or foreshadowing.

I feel I am disgressing here though; this happens a lot with me, must be Pisces in 3rd house. lol

"Your Uranus is at 1 degree of Scorpio and it is tringing my 0 degree Jupiter in Cancer, and my 0 degree Saturn in Virgo…"
That means we have three triangles synastrically involving Uranus- Jupiter-Saturn, with the majority being in water. I find that very interesting.
And with the same ASC chances are they are ruling similiar houses, well Jupiter rules our ASC, Uranus our 3rd house, and Saturn rules my 2nd house and yours, too?
Jupiter and Saturn are also traditional rulers of the 3rd house for me, and Saturn is the traditional ruler of your 3rd house as well. So a tight involvement of 3rd house, 1st house and 2nd house. That is very interesting.

"Personally, I think this bodes really well for having a strong mental affinity with somebody…"
Yes, I agree. I personally like Saturn-Uranus-aspects, even though they are said to be half-generational. But I like the balance of the old and the new.

Jupiter/Uranus brings this mental "zing" which often opens up new horizons, to bravely go where no man has gone before.
And all in relation to the 3rd house- so it has a lot to do with our thinking.

" having the Asc ruler aspecting the third house ruler going both ways is especially significant…."
I think so. Not to forget the 3rd house is our secondary DESC. Our Gemini DESC just craves mental stimulation and communication.

"Also the 9th house rules belief…..and my 9th house ruler is the Sun in Capricorn at 5 degrees and it’s conjunct your own Cappie Venus…and your 9th house ruler is the Sun also…."
Did you notice how we have an exchange of Venus and Sun? Your Venus in my Sunsign, and your Sun in my Venus-sign, and even more so, in conjunction?
For me that involves the 9th, 5th, 6th and 10th house.
For you it is the 9th, 6th and 11th house I think?

" And my Asc is conjunct your Sun at 25 Sagittarius… maybe this works for believing many of the same things?"
It surely gives this familiarity I think. And yes, beliefs may be similiar, my 9th house ruler is conjunct your ASC after all. And Sagittarius is vibing with 9th house anyway.

(to be cont.)

posted February 01, 2012 05:07 AM            

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Originally posted by lilithpluto:
Okie, my best try at your question.

I did a chart for you on astro with all the love asteroids. You have UNION [1585] and Aphrodite [1388] in your 7th house together with uranus and pluto: your pluto conjunct your aphrodite (<1 degree), pluto conjunct your union (<2 degree) AND most importantly, APHRODITE conjunct UNION exact!! So that probably explains you [b]love being married/in a committed relationship.

Aphrodite is the goddness of love, beauty, pleasure and procreation, areas where you will love. Link to my mini research on Aphrodite

Union, I guessed the name explains itself

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Greatttttttttt explanation and catch! I think you nailed it....this definitely will explain why uranus in the 7th doesn't fit him well. All those amazing love asteroids conjuncting pluto in the 7th would definitely influence the manifestation of his uranus in the 7th.

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“Perfect love casts out fear. Where there is love there are no demands, no expectations, no dependency. I do not demand that you make me happy; my happiness does not lie in you. If you were to leave me, I will not feel sorry for myself; I enjoy your company immensely, but I do not cling.” -Anthony de Mello

“First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.”

posted February 01, 2012 05:38 AM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
i dont really like fatalistic astrology,but i believe that having uranus conjunct the descendant in composite does not bode well for a long relationship,atleast from my experience and what i have read

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posted February 01, 2012 07:26 AM            

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Originally posted by amelia28:
Greatttttttttt explanation and catch! I think you nailed it....this definitely will explain why uranus in the 7th doesn't fit him well. All those amazing love asteroids conjuncting pluto in the 7th would definitely influence the manifestation of his uranus in the 7th.

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posted February 01, 2012 07:36 AM            

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Originally posted by mintgirl123:
lilith pluto, does the whole wanting to be in a committed relationship apply for sb who has union conjunct juno (1 degree in the 7th house) and who also has these two asteriods opposing their sun/venus/mars and mercury stellium (all orb under 1.5 degrees). Will it increase their tendency to be faithful and stable?

Thanks =)

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I'm new with asteroids... but my guess is Union conjunct juno in a natal chart may mean strong attraction/wanting-to-be-with a particular type of person (in a committed relationship) depending on the sign.

Whether a person is faithful or not... I believe is free will and on how the natal chart is like. Some may cheat in an error of folly while others do it consistently... depends on planet transits/opportunities-avaliable, individual's commitment. The best synastry/composite in the world does not guarantee that mistakes won't be made.

To add on: Instead of looking at natal chart, in my opinion, it will be more interesting to research on the type of transits/ progressions to natal chart that will mean that love opportunities will be abundant in his life and observe what he does during this awsome period whe girls are throwing themselves at him... afterall, you want something true, not?

posted February 01, 2012 08:55 AM            

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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
Cool! Thanks!!

I've got to find a listing of all the appropriate "love planets" to add to my chart.

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Okie, I compiled the love asteroids in your chart. Should be good to observe.

posted February 01, 2012 01:19 PM            

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Originally posted by mockingbird:
YTA - My husband's had the same issue with interpretations of his (Scorp) Uranus in the 7th. I pointed it out to him, but he vehemently disagrees with the dominant interps of it that are around.

He also has Juno in the 7th, though, so I don't know if that'd make a difference. :shrug:

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posted February 01, 2012 09:42 PM            

Since I did take a peek at your chart earlier, here's my 2 cents.

Your Pluto and Uranus in the 7th oppose Chiron in the 1st (house of self, therefore wound to self). For one, the horrific experience you endured as a young boy of 10, could be explained (?) [for want of a better word], by this placement and aspects to Chiron--the suddenness of it (oppose Uranus) perpetrated by someone who had power (oppose Pluto) over you.

Now, if Chiron is about deep wounds and healing, and Saturn is about learning karmic lessons, then the positions of these two could be interpreted as follows:
In order to heal from the deep wounds to self, you will have to learn to forgive (which is a major lesson for 12H Saturn, imo).

Additionally, your Chiron is square your IC/MC axis. The square to IC shows rift with parents so more forgiveness needed.

See the partial theme in your chart?

posted February 02, 2012 09:02 AM            

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Originally posted by Linda Jones:
Your Pluto and Uranus in the 7th oppose Chiron in the 1st (house of self, therefore wound to self). For one, the horrific experience you endured as a young boy of 10, could be explained (?) [for want of a better word], by this placement and aspects to Chiron--the suddenness of it (oppose Uranus) perpetrated by someone who had power (oppose Pluto) over you.

Now, if Chiron is about deep wounds and healing, and Saturn is about learning karmic lessons, then the positions of these two could be interpreted as follows:
In order to heal from the deep wounds to self, you will have to learn to forgive (which is a major lesson for 12H Saturn, imo).

Additionally, your Chiron is square your IC/MC axis. The square to IC shows rift with parents so more forgiveness needed.

See the partial theme in your chart?

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[sorry lilithpluto, I don't mean to smack talk where I grew up, but I can't help it]

My childhood was miserable, and honestly, that event at 10 years old wasn't the most horrific event of my childhood.

Unfortunately, I never saw eye-to-eye with both my parents. I don't need to get into my upbringing four decades ago, but it was tragic and I was perpetually sad.

As I told everyone, by 11 years old, I had been deemed, among other things, a school/career failure, a social loser and, above all, a sociopath and schizophrenic. My parents themselves led the charge and sent me to a mental institution for evaluation by psychiatrists and psychologists.

Before I turned 14 years old, I left home and embarked in my long journey to find myself. I started off in Europe, and then decided that I would find my life in America, with a short sojourn through military service. I essentially never went home after 14 years old.

My mother contracted Alzheimers really early (38 years old), and when she was in her 40s, she couldn't recognize me anymore. She spent over three decades in limbo-land between this world and the next. I never got to knew her as an adult, and unfortunately, my memories of her have been limited mostly to her whacking the crap out of me.

It was bad enough to be raped by a stranger. It was even worse when your parents strip you down butt naked at puberty, chased you out of the house and whacked the crap out of you. In the culture where I grew up, it wasn't just condoned. It was *encouraged* That was considered great parenting. Hell, even school caned me weekly, sometimes in front of the whole school. Any wonder why I like America so much?

Words are far more painful than the cane or any other form of punishment. My father was the expert at cutting me down. "Good for nothing," "never amount to anything," "wish you were never my son," "wish you were never born" were among my favorites/favourites.

The irony is that, now that I am a father myself with successful sons, my own father is telling me not to push my sons too hard so that they can discover their own paths. Too late now, dad. I respect him a lot as a man forging his own success, and honestly his path to success has been an inspiration, but I never saw him eye-to-eye as a father. That is unfortunate.

My mom was not around long enough for me to sit down as man-to-woman and cry and forgive. My dad is too proud of a man to seek forgiveness nor accept forgiveness. In his eyes, he never did anything wrong. In fact, he thinks he said those words in the best intentions in ensuring my success. Oh well.

posted February 02, 2012 09:13 AM            

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Originally posted by Linda Jones:
YTA,

On another thread you had a question about your NN opposing your Sun, if I remember correctly. Okay, you know I'm not an astrologer, but imo, lol, you're already living out your NN in Cancer. Didn't you also say somewhere that you do cooking, manis/pedis, shopping, picking out your wife's outfits, etc? What could be more Cancer than that? Besides, moon conjunct IC shows very close ties to home.

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I see my 5th House Cancer as a mission in life, being the family provider and nurturer. It sounds strange, but when I was a very unhappy boy growing up, as early as 5 years old, I swore that I was going to have my own children and treat them differently.

I went to church on my own accord as a 5 year old. My parents were not Christians, but I found God myself through my girlfriends down the street I always had lots of girlfriends lol

Because I was unpopular with boys, being overweight and geeky, I played mostly with girls, and played with dolls, dollhouses and kitchen sets. The dominant theme was playing "house" and of course I was always made to play "daddy." That was how I gained an affinity for being a father. As a teen, I babysat, but the main experience was that my brother was born 12 years my junior. As an infant, my brother slept in my bedroom and I bottle fed him, rocked him to sleep and changed his diapers.

That was how I became so "domesticated." That plus my military career and the overwhelming focus on discipline and order. My son is fastidious in keeping his bedroom 100% in military inspection shape. You should see how tightly pulled his bedsheets are and how there aren't any cobwebs under his bed! Hopefully, I rubbed off on him properly.

posted February 02, 2012 09:29 AM            

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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
[sorry lilithpluto, I don't mean to smack talk where I grew up, but I can't help it]

My childhood was miserable, and honestly, that event at 10 years old wasn't the most horrific event of my childhood.

Unfortunately, I never saw eye-to-eye with both my parents. I don't need to get into my upbringing four decades ago, but it was tragic and I was perpetually sad.

As I told everyone, by 11 years old, I had been deemed, among other things, a school/career failure, a social loser and, above all, a sociopath and schizophrenic. My parents themselves led the charge and sent me to a mental institution for evaluation by psychiatrists and psychologists.

Before I turned 14 years old, I left home and embarked in my long journey to find myself. I started off in Europe, and then decided that I would find my life in America, with a short sojourn through military service. I essentially never went home after 14 years old.

My mother contracted Alzheimers really early (38 years old), and when she was in her 40s, she couldn't recognize me anymore. She spent over three decades in limbo-land between this world and the next. I never got to knew her as an adult, and unfortunately, my memories of her have been limited mostly to her whacking the crap out of me.

It was bad enough to be raped by a stranger. It was even worse when your parents strip you down butt naked at puberty, chased you out of the house and whacked the crap out of you. In the culture where I grew up, it wasn't just condoned. It was *encouraged* That was considered great parenting. Hell, even school caned me weekly, sometimes in front of the whole school. Any wonder why I like America so much?

Words are far more painful than the cane or any other form of punishment. My father was the expert at cutting me down. "Good for nothing," "never amount to anything," "wish you were never my son," "wish you were never born" were among my favorites/favourites.

The irony is that, now that I am a father myself with successful sons, my own father is telling me not to push my sons too hard so that they can discover their own paths. Too late now, dad. I respect him a lot as a man forging his own success, and honestly his path to success has been an inspiration, but I never saw him eye-to-eye as a father. That is unfortunate.

My mom was not around long enough for me to sit down as man-to-woman and cry and forgive. My dad is too proud of a man to seek forgiveness nor accept forgiveness. In his eyes, he never did anything wrong. In fact, he thinks he said those words in the best intentions in ensuring my success. Oh well.

My lesson has been to be a different sort of father to my sons. I try my best, but unfortunately, I am my harshest critic and always fall short of my self expectations.

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I notice that it is when parents really love their kids that they have the tendency to want to "manage" them as a career. i believe your dad loves you but being a man , regretted but too proud to admit to son that he was wrong... they never do. He doesn't have the experience to raise a kid - he prob just do it the way he knows best.. managing his staffs

My mom "managed" me worst than the FBI and I am an angel throughout my life.. Serious. She imagines the worst.. When I was a teen, I was seriously offended. lol

posted February 02, 2012 09:38 AM            

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Originally posted by lilithpluto:
I notice that it is when parents really love their kids that they have the tendency to want to "manage" them as a career. i believe your dad loves you but being a man , regretted but too proud to admit to son that he was wrong... they never do. He doesn't have the experience to raise a kid - he prob just do it the way he knows best.. managing his staffs

My mom "managed" me worst than the FBI and I am an angel throughout my life.. Serious. She imagines the worst.. When I was a teen, I was seriously offended. lol

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Everything went seriously downhill with my dad when I didn't get into RI. It was the end of the world.

Also, unlike you, I spoke only English at home and with my friends, and was never down with the CSL, and thus, it was envisioned that I would never go to JC and do A levels.

posted February 02, 2012 09:50 AM            

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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:

Everything went seriously downhill with my dad when I didn't get into RI. It was the end of the world.

Thank you for that beautiful rose

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Lol! Why RI? There was this crazy survey few years back on which boys are the best to date - ACJC wins hands down. I dislike the Education system here.. I'm the only one in family w/o scholarship... both sis were awesome at studies. Elder sis was ridiculously so - top in whole facultry in uni. I wasn't bad but in comparison to her....Being compared was the theme of my childhood.. then came my bro... he was worse than me.. but parents did not bother much nw..

Ney... we spoke english at home cos my mom forced us to fit into the education system. No mandarin no dialects. .

posted February 02, 2012 10:55 AM            

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Originally posted by lilithpluto:
Lol! Why RI? There was this crazy survey few years back on which boys are the best to date - ACJC wins hands down. I dislike the Education system here.. I'm the only one in family w/o scholarship... both sis were awesome at studies. Elder sis was ridiculously so - top in whole facultry in uni. I wasn't bad but in comparison to her....Being compared was the theme of my childhood.. then came my bro... he was worse than me.. but parents did not bother much nw..

Ney... we spoke english at home cos my mom forced us to fit into the education system. No mandarin no dialects. .

My elder sis' story. My mom tried to managed her, failed horribily - she told my sis when she was 10 years old that every single clothing on her belongs to her and she has nothing when she came to this earth, so blah blah blah, you better listen to me. My sis stripped down at 10 years old and was all prepared to walk out of the house. That's how stubborn she is.

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My dad never allowed me to go to ACS, where all his friends sent their sons. I went to ghetto schools, and my secondary school for two years was the old VS beside the old stadium, and it was actually smack in the middle of the red light district, where transverstites roamed the streets. Guess where I was raped? Outside school.

My dad would take everything precious to me as a boy out to the front of the house, and burned everything inside a metal trash can just to "teach me lessons." It was brutal growing up.

To put things into context, while I went to a ghetto school, I was provided with the best of everything because my dad had the resources. At one point, I had my own mb and chauffeur as a boy. I had private tutors in Chinese, English (when I was scoring 98s on my tests), Maths and Science. I had coaches in martial arts, tennis and swimming. I came in fourth in the top class of my grade, where there were seven classes, and I got the crap smacked out of me at home by my dad.

My cousins were Presidential Scholars. One went on to the Olympics in swimming. Two became Colonels in the military. One is a Commando and another is a Fighter Squadron Commander. Two became Deputy Ministers. One was a MP. Those who didn't stay in sg/my went on to top universities around the world. One got a PhD from Harvard AND a PhD from MIT. My dad was a PhD from Oxford and a First Class at Cambridge. See? No pressure at all.

The crazy part is that I became really gifted in school only after I left home and became totally independent.

posted February 02, 2012 11:24 AM            

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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:

My dad never allowed me to go to ACS, where all his friends sent their sons. I went to ghetto schools, and my secondary school for two years was the old VS beside the old stadium, and it was actually smack in the middle of the red light district, where transverstites roamed the streets. Guess where I was raped? Outside school.

My dad would take everything precious to me as a boy out to the front of the house, and burned everything inside a metal trash can just to "teach me lessons." It was brutal growing up.

To put things into context, while I went to a ghetto school, I was provided with the best of everything because my dad had the resources. At one point, I had my own mb and chauffeur as a boy. I had private tutors in Chinese, English (when I was scoring 98s on my tests), Maths and Science. I had coaches in martial arts, tennis and swimming. I came in fourth in the top class of my grade, where there were seven classes, and I got the crap smacked out of me at home by my dad.

My cousins were Presidential Scholars. One went on to the Olympics in swimming. Two became Colonels in the military. One is a Commando and another is a Fighter Squadron Commander. Two became Deputy Ministers. One was a MP. Those who didn't stay in sg/my went on to top universities around the world. One got a PhD from Harvard AND a PhD from MIT. My dad was a PhD from Oxford and a First Class at Cambridge. See? No pressure at all.

The crazy part is that I became really gifted in school only after I left home and became totally independent.

I went on to become an American Phi Beta Kappa, and I did three masters degrees.

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After reading this, I feel seriously sorry for you, having to go through that. There is nothing I hate more than being compared. Hmmmm... I must be seriously retarded in your father's eye.

Need to search for more roses...

There.