posted February 02, 2012 02:45 PM            

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Originally posted by Linda Jones:
Because several sites claim that if a planet is the only one in one half of the chart i.e., alone in one hemisphere, it is also a singleton, or behaves like one. My apologies if my terminology is incorrect.

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That's only confusing,you just focus on the part Moon does in a configuration,and observe it in that light

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So if the energy of the chart is being "funneled" thro' the moon, and the moon has a tight "cap" on it i.e., square Saturn, does it mean that Neptune's energy and all the other planets' energy will be filtered through the perspective of this "cap"? What do you think?

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Yes,Moon is the star

posted February 02, 2012 03:14 PM            

I appreciate your time.

posted February 04, 2012 06:07 PM              

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Originally posted by Faith:
When they are trine, they are in the same element, so...not to bicker with you too much but... reconsider that.

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posted February 04, 2012 06:09 PM              

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Originally posted by Faith:
Right, it does get confusing.

My sun feels very singleton to me because it's the only earth sign. Straightforward.

If someone tries to explain that it's NOT singleton, for some esoteric reason...I just go cross-eyed and quit astrology for a few hours to recover.

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perhaps you could start your own thread and post your chart?

posted February 04, 2012 06:15 PM              

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Originally posted by Linda Jones:
Thank you, SaggiMC,

Since I know the chart owner fairly well I should be able to answer your question on relating.

But before I do that , based on the additional info I've provided in my posts (and editing)do you still think it is only Jupiter and Neptune as singletons?

"Additionally, your moon is handle for bucket chart, which acts bit like a funnel for all emotions within your chart. similar to singleton, but being in 12th the MOST cadent/hidden you may find it a little hard to get at this.."

Does this mean that this person could still act out the moon energy but not be aware of doing so? But then, conscious or subconscious, could the moon energy still not be the dominant function?

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Well Jupiter is Angular, so my vote goes to Jupiter being stronger than neptune. quite often if an outer is not in the first quadrant, the most personal inner life, they it become harder to identify with outers, espec if above the horizon. And of course neptune is hard to define, synthesise, that's why I gave my own info to help clarify matters... I hope it did?

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"Additionally, your moon is handle for bucket chart, which acts bit like a funnel for all emotions within your chart. similar to singleton, but being in 12th the MOST cadent/hidden you may find it a little hard to get at this.."

Does this mean that this person could still act out the moon energy but not be aware of doing so? But then, conscious or subconscious, could the moon energy still not be the dominant function?

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posted February 04, 2012 06:29 PM            

"Well Jupiter is Angular, so my vote goes to Jupiter being stronger than neptune. quite often if an outer is not in the first quadrant, the most personal inner life, they it become harder to identify with outers, espec if above the horizon. And of course neptune is hard to define, synthesise, that's why I gave my own info to help clarify matters... I hope it did?"

posted February 04, 2012 06:44 PM              

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Originally posted by Linda Jones:
VenusDiSirius,

Here's another question, if you wouldn't mind answering--

Since Neptune is a singleton, do aspects to it (other than w/ Sun and Moon) matter if the orbs are between 6-7 degrees? i.e., do wider orbs take on a greater importance simply because Neptune is a singleton? NO

Do you have any other thoughts on any of the other ques. I posted (ques 1 thro' 7)?

Thank you tremendously!

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tight, close aspect orbs will be felt much stronger. Wider orb weaken how the aspect will be felt in my mind...

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5) Is the paucity of air in this chart overcome by Mercury conjunct Uranus (exact) and both trine Saturn (orb of 2)?

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please in future, do not cut off the aspect grid, as we need to see and refer to this info...

Neptune is NOT a double singleton, have no idea where you got this from...

mercury conj uranus makes for a very quick mind and possibly speech, prob rather good at maths and/or science, but could well add touch of argumentativeness to. mercury trine saturn will tone this penchant (hopefully)

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6) Most Importantly: Is the effect of singleton Moon square Saturn (1.2 orb) reduced by any of the other singletons?

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Houses: angular houses 1/7 4/10 the energies of planets placed here are obvious cos it's your 'shop window' visible for everyone to see. Next the succeedent houses 2/8 & 5/11 the energies in these houses are not in shop window the are in the shop, but stood behind the counter, ready to come out when needed. Lastly, cadent houses 6/12 & 3/9 these houses/planets are not in shop window or stood behind the counter, they are in the back storeroom and only come out when 'triggered' or an emergency and much harder to recognise and access...

The houses are like the backdrop of a stage, the setting if you like, the planets are like actors and the aspects are how the planets behave in that settings/stage....

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7) Lastly, in considering a chart, how important are singletons? Do they come before or after planet signs, planet houses, planet aspects. What should be the order?

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Now I don't believe a singleton acts like a screaming kid for attention. In my case is subtle and a background influence.

Now even though Virgo Jupiter is in detriment IT'S ANGULAR therefore visible and gains strength, maybe no much but it should be *felt* more

Before I leave this neptune singleton in 8th please, please advise the owner of this chart to 'never' get a joint bank account with a partner or spouse..

posted February 04, 2012 06:54 PM              

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Originally posted by Linda Jones:
SaggiMC,

Where do you think Sun fits into the whole picture? What is its strength?

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So remember planets are modified by signs, where they express are houses and how they express are *aspects*
Now sun is square neptune modifying how sun expresses to become more pisces/neptunian in flavour. Do people bring their problems to this person looking for 'tea and sympath'??

I would discount pluto square saturn as too wide at 9' separating. I tend to reduce the orb ratio down on astro to 85% to bring in line with mainstream views..

So, let's have some information from YOU. In what capacity is she involved in 5th house matters? does she have sudden romances that start/end suddenly? is she creative, work with chldren?

6th house sees pluto here which can suggest a demanding position.

Basic astrology forum discussing Saturn in houses http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum12/private-jjLYZw161/HTML/000660.html

Basic astrology forum discussing Neptune in houses http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum12/private-jjLYZw161/HTML/000661.html

Basic astrology forum discussing Uranus in houses http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum12/private-jjLYZw161/HTML/000662.html

Basic astrology forum discussing Pluto in houses http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum12/private-jjLYZw161/HTML/000663.html

posted February 04, 2012 07:01 PM            

Thank you much for going through everything in detail. I cannot say how much I appreciate this.

I will remember in future to not cut off the aspects grid-sorry.

Thank you for explaining the houses. Your analogies have made them perfectly clear, in terms of how they function.

"After, its pretty hard to ignore 3planets in 5th and 3 in 6th. This is where and how the person functions"

Yes, this is true. Works v-e-r-y hard (job is of utmost importance) and remains very physically active--active participant in several sports teams.

"Before I leave this neptune singleton in 8th please, please advise the owner of this chart to 'never' get a joint bank account with a partner or spouse.."

posted February 04, 2012 11:07 PM            

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Lastly, cadent houses 6/12 & 3/9 these houses/planets are not in shop window or stood behind the counter, they are in the back storeroom and only come out when 'triggered' or an emergency and much harder to recognise and access...

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Sorry to barge in, but this clears a lot up for me...most of my planets are in cadent houses. Maybe that's why my singleton sun in the 6th isn't as obvious as my Leo ASC.

Hmmm...

posted February 05, 2012 01:24 AM            

I first want to thank you from the depths of my ventricles for taking the time to discuss this topic with me. I have learned a lot for which I'm very grateful.

RE: Moon:
The chart owner is a man who admits to having abandonment fears from childhood and therefore, yes, is very cautious about expressing deeper emotions while, at the same time, craving deeper intimacy. This conflict (relationship w/ mother) is certainly seen in his 12th hse moon. There is some emotional distance w/ parents suggesting unresolved pain from the past. The square to Saturn-yes difficulty w/ father's authority while growing up. Too much discipline therefore rebellion. I do not think they had financial problems (father-well educated from a top rated university and well placed professionally throughout). Also difficulty trusting others especially in emotional matters (moon sq. Saturn).

RE: Neptune:
He is very kind and gentle tho' emotions are predominantly kept at bay for the most part. He appears very sensitive to his environment and is emotionally moody and extremely sensitive, tho' one has to be close to him to know this. He stays away from drugs and alcohol 'cause he "does not want anything to control his mind". He's mostly quiet and, by his own admission, better at non verbal communication rather than verbal. His presence has a soothing, healing, quality. About a couple of years ago I discovered (accidentally), that he is able to heal me from minor ailments like headache, sore throat, cold, fever, etc. I think he does this with his thoughts. I usually just call him up, sometimes in the middle of his work day, and describe my symptoms and he just "thinks them away." I have recovered, from within a few minutes to a few hours, w/out medication.

Our synastry has moon/Neptune/Chiron contacts (my own Neptune is a 7th hse singleton-by element). My 7th house Neptune trines his 12th house Moon (orb of 2). On the other hand, his 8th house Neptune trines my Chiron (orb of 2.2). [Our composite Neptune is in 7th house along with Jupiter]. This could, in part, account for the healing which is very real (all my groundedness in Taurus-Asc., moon, Venus, is convinced of it).

Moreover, I've noticed that regardless of what he may be experiencing otherwise, if, and only if, he's annoyed w/ me or I am w/ him, the healing doesn't work. I feel that when either one or both our minds are blocked toward each other, the healing doesn't happen (he cannot do it and I cannot receive it). I then usually have to resolve whatever the other issue is (by talking w/ him) to clear and make a pathway for the healing, which then resumes.

RE: Jupiter:
He's social, friendly, and his friends tell him that he's lucky. He knows a lot of people by virtue of his job and his athletic activities.

RE: 5th house:
Love feelings are well contained and does not fall in love quickly (moon/Saturn effect). Can be quick to anger only if hurt emotionally (he's especially sensitive to me, probably 'cause of our synastry). In other matters remains quite calm. Speech is definitely tempered by Saturn. Is basically non confrontational (Pisces/Neptune). Loves to go fishing (5th hse Cancer Sun in aspect to Neptune). Loves children. Is actually very good with little ones in the way he engages with them. Has a tendency toward anxiety specially w/ job related stuff (Merc./Uranus conjunction). This conjunction is also responsible (I think) for his mechanically oriented mind. Is very creative, idealistic in matters pertaining to love. Unfortunately, western culture promotes the repression of this in men, so this is kept suppressed. He's mentally very quick (also quick wit), is very organized in thought process as well as in doing things. Actually organizational and management skills are excellent (more Saturn effect)

RE: 6th house:
Job is very important to him and he works very hard. Is extremely efficient in the way he carries out his Mars energy (trine Saturn). He stays physically very active and is a member of several sports teams-very good athletic ability w/ excellent physical reflexes.
You said-"6th house sees pluto here which can suggest a demanding position"
Absolutely correct! His work is very demanding-he equates it to the stress of an air traffic controller-sometimes it almost consumes him.

Physical appearance/build is athletic (Saturn's influence w/ many aspects to inner planets-I think). Soothing presence (Neptune) but, at the same time, high alertness, giving an impression of some sort of inner energy, ready to be used physically if needed (several planets in Leo? maybe)

Overall Neptune influence is big, I feel, 'cause of Pisces moon/Asc., Sun aspecting Neptune, and singleton Neptune. Interestingly, I see/feel this much more clearly than others he interacts with. Equally important are his 5th and 6th hse and this is where Jupiter shows its effect (I feel), i.e., in his 5th and 6th house matters. This part (5th/6th hse/Jupiter) is what everyone else sees more of.

So, in this chart, we have a prominent Neptune (expression thro' moon, Sun, Asc., and 8th hse);
And we have a prominent 5th/6th hse/7th Jupiter.

BOTH of these energies are being funneled thro' the moon wearing Saturn's "cap". I see this funneling in him very clearly. This cap is his protection for his Neptunian sensitivity. I feel Saturn is also impacting his personality in a pretty big way, and this could be 'cause all his inner planets are aspecting Saturn-sesisquare Sun, square moon, trine Mercury, trine Mars/Venus. And then of course we have the bucket handle, cadent moon.

posted February 05, 2012 02:03 AM            

Good Morning!

Your explanation of his cadent moon has brought enormous understanding to me, not only astrologically, but personally as well. You see I could never understand why he wasn't more aware of his emotional nature and would tend to lose patience w/ him over this. Now I will be more empathic 'cause understanding has shed light.

This is as detailed an analysis as I can give combining both my newly acquired astrological insight and my personal insight into his nature.

How do you think I did? I'd love to hear your opinion.

posted February 05, 2012 03:46 AM            

Question-
In this chart, there are 3 planets in the 6th/cadent hse. Does the presence of 3 planets bring the 6th hse energy from the "back storeroom" to at least "stand behind the counter," if not the "shop window?" OR does it still remain very important but behind the scenes kinda thing?

posted February 06, 2012 03:31 PM            

Sun in Libra

Sun Sextile Moon

Sun Conjunct Uranus

Sun Opposite Mars

Sun Semisquare Venus

Moon in Leo

Moon Sextile Uranus

Moon Square Mercury

Moon Trine Mars

Mercury in Scorpio

Mercury Semisquare Pluto

Mercury Sesquiquadrate Saturn

Venus in Sagittarius

Mars in Taurus

Mars Square Jupiter

Mars Sextile Saturn

Jupiter in Aquarius

Jupiter Trine Pluto

Jupiter Sextile Neptune

Saturn in Cancer

Saturn Square Pluto

Uranus in Libra

Uranus Semisquare Neptune

Neptune in Sagittarius

Neptune Sextile Pluto

Pluto in Libra

Pisces on the 1st House Cusp

Aries on the 2nd House Cusp

Taurus on the 3rd House Cusp

Mars in the 3rd House

Gemini on the 4th House Cusp

Saturn in the 4th House

Cancer on the 5th House Cusp

Leo on the 6th House Cusp

Moon in the 6th House

Virgo on the 7th House Cusp

Libra on the 8th House Cusp

Sun in the 8th House

Uranus in the 8th House

Pluto in the 8th House

Scorpio on the 9th House Cusp

Mercury in the 9th House

Sagittarius on the 10th House Cusp

Venus in the 10th House

Neptune in the 10th House

Capricorn on the 11th House Cusp

Jupiter in the 11th House