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YoursTrulyAlways
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posted February 01, 2012 11:54 PM
  
I would like to take this a notch further because the common analysis from those who don't know me is that my relationship is one of high manipulation and immense power struggles, so much so that the impression is one of large power struggles, constant conflict and resentment.Can I post my synastry and composite? IP: Logged |
Linda Jones
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posted February 02, 2012 01:59 PM
Hi, YTA, I just saw your post.Re: posting your chart, I think it would be ok so long as we stick to the topic on power and control in relationships w/ you refuting (by showing your chart) the general understanding of the effects of Pluto, etc. I think the mods don't like it if we try to get a chart reading on this forum. Personally, I would welcome as many examples as possible for or against the topic. This is a good way to learn. "the common analysis from those who don't know me is that my relationship is one of high manipulation and immense power struggles, so much so that the impression is one of large power struggles, constant conflict and resentment." I don't know you, only have a sense of your energy from your many posts and your chart (the little astrology I understand  ) But remember what I said to you yesterday-about your bark being worse than your bite and that you're a good man? Well, this is not an opinion (since I don't have much to base an opinion on). Neither was I trying to be nice. It is an intuitive sense I have about you even tho' your 7th house Virgo may find that hard to accept. And I rarely go wrong with my intuitive sense. I also think there are lotsa people on LL who have connected w/ you in varying degrees and, your openness in sharing your life story has a lot of support here (at least that's my impression)-kinda like your internet family IP: Logged |
YoursTrulyAlways
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posted February 02, 2012 02:31 PM
Linda Jones,I agree fully. Thanks again for your vote of confidence haha. All Moderators, this is not a Personal Reading but a critqiue about Power in Relationships This is a thread to address interpretations of my charts that I find off-base and honestly a little hilarious. The quote below is in its entirety. I don't want to be accused of parsing someone else's words. The quote is from an individual who shall remain anonymous, from a resource that shall also remain anonymous. This is not about criticizing any individual, but to de-bunk common astrological stereotypes. Here are the Synastry and Composite charts. I'm inside.  
you both have contacts to your natal pluto, one from mars and the other conjunct jupiter and venus. you may find an equal fascination for each other and intensity in the relationship, and may experience this relationship as vehicle of transformation. but along with pluto you may also experience manipulation and power struggles, especially with that connection to mars., although that is a very steamy aspect
one of you has pluto in the 7th house natally, conjunct uranus, suggesting that relationships can be intense power struggles and that person may have a difficult time feeling settled in any kind of committed relationship. does this seem to play out in your relationship?
you have mars venus opposition which is great for attraction but again, it may increase conflict between you two if it's not being played out intimately.
you both have 7th house overlays, which suggests a strong feeling of wanting to commit to each other, but again, mars and pluto are involved so this again brings up the theme of possible power struggles and conflict within the relationship.
the 6th house is also active in both charts (synastry and composite) and this in general has a tendency to make the relationship feel like work, and it's possible one of you may be sacrificing more than they should for the other. and on top of that one of you has a unaspected sun in the 6th house overlay.
saturn trine moon can definitely give the relationship a karmic feel to it, where you feel committed to working through the issues, but saturn can also create a feeling of obligation to stay together and make it work, when perhaps that's not the best choice.
in the composite chart venus/neptune/mercury conjunction in the 7th house may make it seem to you that this is a perfect relationship, but with neptune there, there is a chance that you are not seeing things clearly, and i noticed that both of you have natal planets in the 12th house, suggesting that you both have unconscious material that you find difficult to face and access, and it could have a significant part to play in this relationship. and with all those planets in scorpio!! there is depth and intensity and the possibility for deep transformation, but always with the danger for manipulation and power struggles.
With chiron trine that stellium in the 7th house, you have the possibility to do some deep healing if you are both committed to doing the work, and saturn there conjunct chiron will help give you the grounding and determination to make that happen.
again you have the 6th house theme with the sun and mars conjunct suggesting that there is a tendency for imbalance/sacrifice in the relationship which could lead to resentments (mars)
all in all, i think the pluto and saturn connections add to the feeling of purpose and potential for transformation, but also the potential for power plays and obligations perhaps long after the relationship has served it's purpose, and with the 6th house themes, i think it's important to make sure that both of you are contributing and equal amount into the relationship to make it work so that resentment doesn't build if one person is sacrificing more than the other.
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VenusDiSirius
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posted February 02, 2012 03:12 PM
Sun/Pluto hard aspects.IP: Logged |
YoursTrulyAlways
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posted February 02, 2012 03:25 PM
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Originally posted by Linda Jones:
It is an intuitive sense I have about you even tho' your 7th house Virgo may find that hard to accept. And I rarely go wrong with my intuitive sense.I also think there are lotsa people on LL who have connected w/ you in varying degrees and, your openness in sharing your life story has a lot of support here (at least that's my impression)-kinda like your internet family
The irony is that my wife has the same intuitive sense, and also claims that her mom and my mom speak to her, but she refuses to believe in astrology. As to why I share so much when I'm supposed to be a private person, I don't know. I guess its my way of crying out for emotional help, even though I seldom do so. IP: Logged |
Libreo
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posted February 02, 2012 03:31 PM
I posted in this thread but it's not here????IP: Logged |
VenusDiSirius
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posted February 02, 2012 03:40 PM
Try clearing cache and repost. (small glitch,probably)
Was it long,smiley-loaded post?IP: Logged |
Linda Jones
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posted February 02, 2012 03:41 PM
Hi Libreo,Could you please repost? I think their server sometimes gets hiccups IP: Logged |
Linda Jones
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posted February 02, 2012 03:44 PM
VenusDi,"Sun/Pluto hard aspects" Were you referring to synastry, composite, or natals? Thanks. IP: Logged |
VenusDiSirius
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posted February 02, 2012 03:50 PM
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Originally posted by Linda Jones:
VenusDi,"Sun/Pluto hard aspects" Were you referring to synastry, composite, or natals? Thanks.
Natals! These people are very strong-willed,and sufficient,will not yield,and will always try to have an upper hand. IP: Logged |
Linda Jones
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posted February 02, 2012 04:02 PM
YTA,"The irony is that my wife has the same intuitive sense, and also claims that her mom and my mom speak to her, but she refuses to believe in astrology." So she believes in communication w/ spirits but not in using astrology as a tool to understand relationships, etc. Maybe her faith presents her w/ conflicts about this. "I guess its my way of crying out for emotional help, even though I seldom do so" I knew this too about you. It's that intuition again. Wish my astrology skills were on par. It's good to seek help/guidance on emotional matters. The anonymity of the web provides a safe distance while, at the same time, giving information, support, etc. For too long men have been stuffed w/ the stereotypical msg. that, in order to be manly they have to be strong=emotionally silent. Besides, imo, openness is a sign of high spiritual energy. IP: Logged |
Linda Jones
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posted February 02, 2012 04:03 PM
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Linda Jones
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posted February 02, 2012 04:04 PM
Oops sorry about the double posting.IP: Logged |
Linda Jones
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posted February 02, 2012 04:10 PM
VenusDi,"Natals! These people are very strong-willed,and sufficient,will not yield,and will always try to have an upper hand." Yeah, got it! Duh!!! Right? This is what YTA is refuting about his marriage of almost 20 yrs. Astrologically (and personally), he admits they are both strong willed. But I think the issue of butting heads is being resolved by a clear division of labor in their home. IP: Logged |
VenusDiSirius
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posted February 02, 2012 04:18 PM
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Originally posted by Linda Jones:
VenusDi,"Natals! These people are very strong-willed,and sufficient,will not yield,and will always try to have an upper hand." Yeah, got it! Duh!!! Right?
With small exception of Sun/Pluto oppo,where they initiate controlling game,Sun/Pluto conj and sq usually are good if you don't mess with them 
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mintgirl123
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posted February 02, 2012 04:28 PM
I think there's a difference btwn being strong willed and controlling.
One can have a strong mind and can be stubborn and still compromise and 'hold back.' While another can be just controlling and unyielding for whatever reason.Control is based on fear isn't it. It stems from insecurity in a way. I for one am pretty strong willed. Like extremely at times...But I've never been controlling. It's such a waste of energy isn't it? IP: Logged |
YoursTrulyAlways
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posted February 02, 2012 04:28 PM
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Originally posted by Linda Jones:
YTA,I knew this too about you. It's that intuition again. Wish my astrology skills were on par.
Your insights have been most valuable to me! I would only wish that you can keep identifying what other intuitive insights you have about me so that I can better myself as a person.
My sincere appreciation!  IP: Logged |
YoursTrulyAlways
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posted February 02, 2012 04:30 PM
Incidently, for the text I posted, I disagree with 90% of it based solely on personal experience (without any basis of disagreement astrology wise).IP: Logged |
VenusDiSirius
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posted February 02, 2012 04:36 PM
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Originally posted by mintgirl123:
One can have a strong mind and can be stubborn and still compromise and 'hold back.
My chilling virging flake,no they can not IP: Logged |
Linda Jones
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posted February 02, 2012 04:43 PM
mintgirl123,"I think there's a difference btwn being strong willed and controlling.
One can have a strong mind and can be stubborn and still compromise and 'hold back.' While another can be just controlling and unyielding for whatever reason. Control is based on fear isn't it. It stems from insecurity in a way." Excellent point! And I completely agree. I think VenusDiSirius is using the terms control and strong will to mean the same thing. I think a person w/ these aspects could be strong willed as well as controlling if not sufficiently self aware. I think this is the sense in which she's using the terms. However, w/ sufficient wisdom, a strong willed person can also vibrate to a higher energy level and compromise w/out feeling threatened. Thanks for making the distinction! IP: Logged |
Linda Jones
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posted February 02, 2012 04:47 PM
VenusDi,"My chilling virging flake,no they can not" Oh you're so lovingly condescending!!!
And hilarious! 
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VenusDiSirius
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posted February 02, 2012 04:59 PM
No,I like mintgirl I can't be condescending to Virgos,I repect them Anyway,strong will is always imposing,either positively or negatively. Power is of same kind. Control is frequent product of projected desire to have a power.
People who are strong-willed like things their own way,they are territorial. And controlling can often be poor defence,but there is cause/consequence connection between will and controlling. IP: Logged |
Linda Jones
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posted February 02, 2012 05:04 PM
VenusDi,"Anyway,strong will is always imposing,either positively or negatively. Power is of same kind. Control is frequent product of projected desire to have a power.
People who are strong-willed like things their own way,they are territorial. And controlling can often be poor defence,but there is cause/consequence connection between will and controlling." So how do you think strong will would impose positively? EDIT: By being aware of the consequence and stopping themselves from taking a negative action? Is that what you mean? IP: Logged |
Linda Jones
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posted February 02, 2012 05:09 PM
YTA,"Your insights have been most valuable" Excellent! Glad I'm helping. "My sincere appreciation!" Gee, thanks! "so that I can better myself as a person" Awwww. See right there you speak like a good man. And astrologically, this is your singleton 9th hse Neptune speaking... w/ all its positive aspects to Mars and Pluto. IP: Logged |
VenusDiSirius
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posted February 02, 2012 05:13 PM
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Originally posted by Linda Jones:
So how do you think strong will would impose positively?
Role model,for example. Not that person actively pursues that title,but with firm set of beliefs and moral compass,they spread their influence in a inspiring,desirable manner; One looks up to them,takes importance in their actions and words,they matter,in short.
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