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athenegoddess
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posted February 16, 2012 08:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenegoddess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's not one sign that will make someone a cheater. It's bad aspects between the signs.

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posted February 16, 2012 09:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
And I agree fully with you!! I didn't know it involved lying!

Well, certain signs are a bit more sociable and "friendly" with the opposite sex. I can't control the crowd of men around my Leo wife at times: and mostly her fault too. But then I'm being a prude.


XD I have alot of leo friends,and they are great for the most part,but they are definitely big flirts,i was at a party a few weeks ago,all my leo friends have parties alot haha,and he was flirting with all the girls,and i saw one i took a liking to,another libra girl ( i guess i never learn lol) so i was talking to her and when he saw i was talking to her ,he was mad and proclaimed to me that she was the girl of his dreams,and i said how was i to know that when you were flirting with every girl at the party XD

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posted February 16, 2012 09:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
People will probably tell you that there is no aspect that makes someone cheat. It's a choice, and it has little to do with astrology.

However, some elements may "predispose" someone to cheat.
I'd think mutable signs (especially Gemini and Pisces), Uranus aspects, and maybe hard Moon/Venus and Venus/Mars aspects can play a part in it. Maybe afflicted planets in the 5th as well.

Keep in mind that nothing is set in stone though.


I have all of these. Still not a cheater. Very moral, actually.

Moon conjunct Venus in Gemini
Square Mars in Pisces
Inconjunct Uranus/ascendant
Jupiter in the 5th, opposed by Pluto, squared by Saturn

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posted February 16, 2012 09:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by mintgirl123:
Not total crap if it's the general consensus. People don't have stereotypes for nothing, there is a reason why people perceive a certain placement a certain way.

It is crap, when the majority of people I know with Venus in Gemini, are not cheaters. People will go around quoting what they read in a book, or what was passed along, "Oh, he had Venus in Gemini! That's it! Not that he's just a scumbag, with low moral fibre, it's that pesky Venus."

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posted February 16, 2012 09:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mintgirl123     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by teasel:
It is crap, when the majority of people I know with Venus in Gemini, are not cheaters. People will go around quoting what they read in a book, or what was passed along, "Oh, he had Venus in Gemini! That's it! Not that he's just a scumbag, with low moral fibre, it's that pesky Venus."


Then explain why every description of Venus in Gem has them described that way?
And no, people do not 'brand' them with it just for shts and giggles. Where there's smoke...
Not every Venus in Gem cheats, but more of them do on average compared to some other venus signs. And like me, some other people DO give them the benefit of the doubt, then they got burnt.
People don't just read sth and assume the worst, it is from experiences. I mean come on, google it. I think your moon conjunct venus mitigates some of the tendencies to cheat, but that doesn't mean others don't.

It's like they say Leos can have big egos, and Sags like freedom. It's one of those things that come up more commonly, so yes, they do have the tendency to cheat more than average.

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posted February 16, 2012 09:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mintgirl123     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
XD I have alot of leo friends,and they are great for the most part,but they are definitely big flirts,i was at a party a few weeks ago,all my leo friends have parties alot haha,and he was flirting with all the girls,and i saw one i took a liking to,another libra girl ( i guess i never learn lol) so i was talking to her and when he saw i was talking to her ,he was mad and proclaimed to me that she was the girl of his dreams,and i said how was i to know that when you were flirting with every girl at the party XD

ahahhaha gosh you seem to gravitate towards Libras alot. What about Gem girls? Gem girls are usually pretty chatty.

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posted February 16, 2012 09:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Because the majority of people make assumptions based on mutability and Gemini, instead of getting to know a very broad range of people with very specific placements and aspects.

I know cheaters who have a Taurus Moon (*gasp*). two are related (mother and daughter.).

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posted February 16, 2012 09:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by mintgirl123:
Then explain why every description of Venus in Gem has them described that way?
And no, people do not 'brand' them with it just for shts and giggles. Where there's smoke...
Not every Venus in Gem cheats, but more of them do on average compared to some other venus signs. And like me, some other people DO give them the benefit of the doubt, then they got burnt.
People don't just read sth and assume the worst, it is from experiences. I mean come on, google it. I think your moon conjunct venus mitigates some of the tendencies to cheat, but that doesn't mean others don't.

It's like they say Leos can have big egos, and Sags like freedom. It's one of those things that come up more commonly, so yes, they do have the tendency to cheat more than average.


I don't mind if someone, like you, actually had a Venus in Gemini cheat on them - I mean, someone like you posting that they cheated.

What I do mind, is people just jumping on here and saying "Venus in Gemini!" automatically, with no personal experience. I know a real a$$hole who has Sun/Moon in Taurus, but I don't brand them all a$$holes - especially since another Taurus Sun/Moon is the best man I know (my father).

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posted February 16, 2012 09:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mintgirl123     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by teasel:
I don't mind if someone, like you, actually had a Venus in Gemini cheat on them - I mean, someone like you posting that they cheated.

What I do mind, is people just jumping on here and saying "Venus in Gemini!" automatically, with no personal experience. I know a real a$$hole who has Sun/Moon in Taurus, but I don't brand them all a$$holes - especially since another Taurus Sun/Moon is the best man I know (my father).


See you don't even know that they don't speak from experiences. How do you even know that? Most people will say it bc it's what they've experienced themselves.

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posted February 16, 2012 09:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by mintgirl123:
ahahhaha gosh you seem to gravitate towards Libras alot. What about Gem girls? Gem girls are usually pretty chatty.

haha i havent met any gemini girls really,but i think they are cute

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posted February 16, 2012 09:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by mintgirl123:
See you don't even know that they don't speak from experiences. How do you even know that? Most people will say it bc it's what they've experienced themselves.

Because most don't. One girl posted about running from any Venus in Gemini, some years back - that is not only unfair, but why not blame another aspect?

Most don't have the actual experience, it's just popular to pick on us.

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posted February 16, 2012 09:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mintgirl123     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by teasel:
Because the majority of people make assumptions based on mutability and Gemini, instead of getting to know a very broad range of people with very specific placements and aspects.

I know cheaters who have a Taurus Moon (*gasp*). two are related (mother and daughter.).


It's not assumptions. Mutables are all about changeability. Thus the thought that they're not as committed or persistent. Just like how fixed signs are all more generally extremely stubborn. There's truth in that.
Gems are curious, just like pisces are wishy washy, that may cause a more likelihood of them straying bc they need stimulation all the time.

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posted February 16, 2012 09:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mintgirl123     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by teasel:
Because most don't. One girl posted about running from any Venus in Gemini, some years back - that is not only unfair, but why not blame another aspect?

Most don't have the actual experience, it's just popular to pick on us.


It's not high school, and we aren't bullies. There's always *some* truth in stereotypes. I'm a virgo and people say we can be critical, I can say yeah that can be true. Gems unfortunately are quite flighty and unreliable, people aren't all out to get you guys. Sheesh lol.

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posted February 16, 2012 09:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No, that isn't true. I don't believe that I am an anomaly, and I know more than one Venus in Gem who is also telling the truth.

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posted February 16, 2012 09:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mintgirl123     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by teasel:
No, that isn't true. I don't believe that I am an anomaly, and I know more than one Venus in Gem who is also telling the truth.


It might not be true for you, but it's true for alot of venus in gems.
Just look at yahoo questions. Lol I remember reading up on an ex's placements and not thinking too much of it, even with all the venus in gem = red flag discussions I read. I was just like 'nah, he's not like that, not everyone of them are going to be like that'

but yeah. He turned out to be a poster boy for the placement.

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posted February 16, 2012 09:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am not an anomaly. I'll bet that if you had it written everywhere that Taurus Venus was unreliable and a cheater, then you would find people posting about it on yahoo.

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posted February 16, 2012 09:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm disgustingly moral, and I'm sure that my birth date isn't wrong.

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posted February 16, 2012 09:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mintgirl123     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Like I said, for YOU, you might not be like that, but more people with that placement have the inclination to cheat than venus in leo or cap for example.

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posted February 16, 2012 09:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Betty Boop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Gemini simply needs a strong mental connection and a partner who is psychologically interesting.
Venus in Gemini does not make someone prone to cheating. It makes them prone to having a high degree of nervous energy when it comes to love and relationships.. a kind of restlessness.. so if they are not with the right person - if they are with a particularly boring or uncommunicative person - they will move on.

But we all have thresholds and we can all end a relationship for different reasons.

Gemini leaves when the mental connection dies.

Also, air signs - including Gemini are the least physical. Air sign Venus and Mars can go years without sex... so I'm not sure why people would mention 'physical' cheating in connection to this sign anyway.
The physicality of sex is not very important to them. They often 'research' sex and love... They don't have to engage. They only engage rarely.

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posted February 16, 2012 10:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Betty Boop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I wanted to add that - it's probably pointless to discuss Venus on its own in the absence of Mars..
They kind of work 'together' in this area.

If someone had Gemini Venus - and - Scorpio Mars conjunct Pluto square Jupiter in Leo... They could just as well become a sex-addict. It's difficult to assess ONE placement on its own.

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posted February 16, 2012 11:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lava Flower     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Betty Boop:
Gemini simply needs a strong mental connection and a partner who is psychologically interesting.
Venus in Gemini does not make someone prone to cheating. It makes them prone to having a high degree of nervous energy when it comes to love and relationships.. a kind of restlessness.. so if they are not with the right person - if they are with a particularly boring or uncommunicative person - they will move on.

But we all have thresholds and we can all end a relationship for different reasons.

Gemini leaves when the mental connection dies.

Also, air signs - including Gemini are the least physical. Air sign Venus and Mars can go years without sex... so I'm not sure why people would mention 'physical' cheating in connection to this sign anyway.
The physicality of sex is not very important to them. They often 'research' sex and love... They don't have to engage. They only engage rarely.


That is quite an accurate description of venus in gemini, a mental connection is a MUST. I have venus in gemini in the 11th house.

What you say about venus and mars air placements is also rings true for me. And like you say, aspects make all the difference and must be considered. My aqua mars is squaring pluto by 2 degrees and is in fact at the apex of a t-square involving jupiter square at 0* and although i do not NEED another person daily, i feel it still alters things quite a bit.

From a lot of the articles i have read regarding placements for those likely to cheat: common ones are venus in gemini, chiron in the 5th (especially an afflicted one), venus-uranus conjunction and especially square but that would likely manifest as the person straight up telling you about it.. Moon in pisces especially for men.

Above all, free will determines what actually goes and how people chose to express their potential.

Also, moon-venus conjunction changes a lot.. Those are your deepest desires for security combined with venus, no matter what sign they fall in. What a beautiful placement for a lady

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posted February 16, 2012 11:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mintgirl123     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Betty Boop:
Gemini simply needs a strong mental connection and a partner who is psychologically interesting.
Venus in Gemini does not make someone prone to cheating. It makes them prone to having a high degree of nervous energy when it comes to love and relationships.. a kind of restlessness.. so if they are not with the right person - if they are with a particularly boring or uncommunicative person - they will move on.

But we all have thresholds and we can all end a relationship for different reasons.

Gemini leaves when the mental connection dies.

Also, air signs - including Gemini are the least physical. Air sign Venus and Mars can go years without sex... so I'm not sure why people would mention 'physical' cheating in connection to this sign anyway.
The physicality of sex is not very important to them. They often 'research' sex and love... They don't have to engage. They only engage rarely.


I think we're not only thinking physical cheating. Emotional cheating is what venus in gems do alot of. You know chatting to other girls behind your back inappropriately. Or having phone convos etc for hours at night and hiding it from you.

And I don't think it's a good idea to insinuate that the reason they cheat is cos their partner is 'boring' or uncommunicative cos frankly alot of people cheat for the most stupid reasons, and it's nothing to do with the other person. There is no excuse to cheat. Your partner can be awful, but still it doesn't give you the green light to go ahead and do it. Just shows they find it hard to make a proper commitment imo.

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posted February 17, 2012 12:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by mintgirl123:

And I don't think it's a good idea to insinuate that the reason they cheat is cos their partner is 'boring' or uncommunicative cos frankly alot of people cheat for the most stupid reasons, and it's nothing to do with the other person. There is no excuse to cheat. Your partner can be awful, but still it doesn't give you the green light to go ahead and do it. Just shows they find it hard to make a proper commitment imo.


She was saying they might leave if they're bored. I agree with you, that there is no good reason for it. It isn't hard to make a strong commitment when there is strong compatibility involved; that doesn't mean that they would cheat, though.

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posted February 17, 2012 12:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Lava Flower:

Also, moon-venus conjunction changes a lot.. Those are your deepest desires for security combined with venus, no matter what sign they fall in. What a beautiful placement for a lady


Thank you.

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posted February 17, 2012 01:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just wanted to add that I don't have a personal beef with you, mintgirl.

I'm just sick of this particular thing being blamed on people with my placements - specifically one - because hardly anyone has actual experience to back it up.

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