posted February 20, 2012 09:26 AM            

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Originally posted by SaggiMC:
not at all....

Neptune in l2th House – cadent house
Intuitive link with the unconscious mind. Strong mystical ¬religious tendencies. Much spiritual depth and wisdom. Guard against mental confusion. Have inner faith (Jupiter rules the sign of faith) and knowledge that things will turn out all right. Leap of faith. Behind the scenes, great potential for service. Place of isolations such as Hospitals, prison, laboratories. Sailors at sea. Could be secret drinker or other addictions that are kept secret.

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posted February 20, 2012 11:11 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Ami Anne, my heart goes out to you completely for the loss of your child. I'm so sorry to hear that.

And that your mother molested you !!!

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Thank you Faith. LL and many of its wonderful people helped me, as I talked about it so much, on here. Now, I bring it up, to let someone know that they are safe with me, as I understand!

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posted February 20, 2012 01:00 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Thank you Faith. LL and many of its wonderful people helped me, as I talked about it so much, on here. Now, I bring it up, to let someone know that they are safe with me, as I understand!

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(((Hug)))) That's good of you!

'Takes courage to show people your scars and be vulnerable but it can help other people...you never know who.

This forum is a blessing and I know a lot of healing is going on. I think being part of a soulful community where honesty is protected is just incredible.

I actually prefer to repress my bad memories (Saturn in the 12th) but some of my third-house-Uranus stuff is bound to come out eventually. And maybe that will help others, too.

Thank you for writing about Saturn-ASC for me, sorry I was late replying to it!

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posted February 20, 2012 03:53 PM            

The 12th house ruler is in the 1oth house.
This is significant because it reads you will experience sorrow from authority figures (check yes)
your losses become widely known (check yes)
your mystic interests become public knowledge (check yes, I am not proud of this as I still feel its taboo).

posted February 20, 2012 03:53 PM            

The 12th house ruler is in the 1oth house.
This is significant because it reads you will experience sorrow from authority figures (check yes)
your losses become widely known (check yes)
your mystic interests become public knowledge (check yes, I am not proud of this as I still feel its taboo).

posted February 20, 2012 04:00 PM            

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
Taurus rules my 12th house, and I have Mars and Jupiter in Gemini in there.

So are you asking where Mars and Jupiter rule in my chart? I believe Mars would rule the 11th, as Aries resides there, and Jupiter would rule my 7th house, which also contains the natural ruler of 12H, Neptune.

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Yes Hannarama

Have you had sorrow in the 11th and the 7th?

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posted February 20, 2012 08:53 PM            

I have a 2nd House in Taurus ruled by Venus in the 12th House. But my Jupiter is in Aries in the 2nd House and is ruled by Mercury in the 11th House instead.

I have an empty 7th House in Libra also ruled by Venus in the 12th House.

Of course, my Capricorn Sun is in the 10th House ruled by Saturn in the 12th House.

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posted February 20, 2012 09:28 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Ian
When we changed your Houses in PR, did you see it. You SHOULD see it if the Houses are right.

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OK Ami, I'll try again. I'm slowly catching up with the lingo and thought process. What exactly should I see? My 5th House is in Cancer ruled by the Moon in 3rd House. Shouldn't I see the ruler of my 5th House in the 12th HOuse or 8th House (of death) ?

posted February 20, 2012 10:02 PM            

All things will show in the chart, with the right time. That is all I know, Baby.

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posted February 21, 2012 04:31 AM            

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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
I just don't see the loss of my two daughters through astrological house rulership. My 5th House is in Cancer, ruled by Moon in Gemini in my 3rd House.

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It could also be indicated by the ruler of 5th house being in challenging aspect to ruler of 8th house or 12th house (12th house= 8th house of 5th house = potential death (8th house) of children (5tzh house).
A planet in 8th or 12th house in challenging aspect to the ruler of 5th house could also hint at that.

(I do only use Placidus houses though; so I don`t know if this works for equal as well)

posted February 21, 2012 04:42 AM            

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Originally posted by affy:
I have my Sun, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Uranus & Neptune all crammed up in the 12th House.

Although I'm not really sure if I've had bad experiences..atleast not yet.

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I've delinated Neptune in first house for Ami ann..

The sign position of Uranus indicates our restlessness and what for us is individual, modern and thrilling. The house position of Uranus indicates where we desire free expression, seek to be different, and where things get turned upside down! Shocks, surprises, upheavals, freedom, independence. Uranus being a higher octave of mercury, like Neptune is a higher octave of venus. The house Uranus is in is where we seek to be different, want free expressions and where things get turned upside down.

Uranus in l2th House – cadent house
Strengthens your intuition psychic abilities and clairvoyance to a high degree. You will have a great desire to help your fellow man. You may join secret organisations and interested in yoga meditation etc. Bring inventions down to earth. May suffer health-wise if you don't use its energies! Good position for researchers or those who work behind the scenes.Person apt to be a loner. Tremendous desire to feel free but often feels confined.Self-control a necessity for they can be their own worst enemy. In dealing with people and situations this person must use persuasion and not force.An internal stress possibly subconscious impulsive and desire to escape or run away from the mundane conditions.

posted February 21, 2012 04:42 AM            

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Originally posted by Anglerfish:
I have ruler of the 1st in the 12th. I'm not sure if the sorrow is from Pluto or my unaspected moon in the 1st...

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This shows you are really a very private person and need time alone to recover...
http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology/houserulerships.htm

posted February 21, 2012 04:49 AM            

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Originally posted by mercuranian:
i have the ruler of my 8th (saturn) in the 12th. don't really know how to interpret that one..

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Ruler of the Eighth House in the Twelfth House

"If you have psychic abilities they will probably manifest on a more intuitive level. You have the ability to research psychological matters and you may have very strong feelings about wanting to help other people." http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology/houserulerships.htm#hr8

this could also manifest as your financial situations kept very private and to yourself

posted February 21, 2012 04:54 AM            

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Originally posted by virgolotus:
What does it mean when the ruler of your 12th house is in the 12th house?

edit: I mean the ruler of my 7th house in my 12th house

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Now this one IS difficult. It makes relationships hard to define, similar to having neptune in 7th. It can suggest relationships kept very private, secret even.

Karen Hamaker for instance says that our need and attitude towards a partner is connected with our need for privacy and total merging with the partner on a soul level and a rich inner life instead of worldly needs, (like the sexual side of love I presume.)

Like ruler of 12 in 7, it can show extremes of course. Because the vague, formless 12th house has to give direction to a relationship which can cause confusion no doubt. The result of this combi usually is unrealistic, very idealistic views of how a relationship should function and we know how unrealistic that is

Also the self sacrificing side of the 12th house creeps in of course and often you see the person with this placement marry someone out of pity (I have seen this with someone marrying a disabled person) or because they know subconsciously that their partner needs them, so the relation to the partner can be like a nurse instead of a real partner on the same level.

Even if this is not the case, then the person with this placement still needs occasional retreat from the relationship which will be very beneficial to the relationship. Danger again is, that the partner might not understand this, confusing this attitude for "she/he is not really in love with me".

So all in all it is difficult to give form to a relationship, avoiding to fall in the over romanticized view of a relationship.

Very positive sides are the fact that the relationship is incredibly deep and there is often strong telepathy between the two people involved. The person often does not know where this strong bond comes from. I guess the 12th house, being the house of karma, maybe suggests that the bond is from a former life. It is an ideal placement for people who want to live a relationship whereby inner life and strong spiritual level is the most important thing.

The same situation we can see of course also when we have Neptune in the 7th or ruling the 7th house.

Hope this is of help to you.

posted February 21, 2012 04:58 AM            

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Well, lets explore this. Let me ask you some questions.Have you had sorrow around your deepest emotions and passions? Were you really shamed for them or made fun of etc

Did someone in your life die when you were young? Were you sexually abused? Did you have to HIDE a lot of what was happening in your life? The 8th House is the House of repression

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Sometimes abuse can be seen, but not necessarily connected to 8th OR 12th house. Early childhood is IC and 4th house not 8th or 12th....

Now if ruler of IC is posited in 8th I might be suspicious. Outer planets in 4th and 10th describe someone parents as well as saturn, sun and moon placements..

posted February 21, 2012 05:04 AM            

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Oh.
Sun - 13 deg
Mercury - 13 deg
Venus - 10 deg
Mars - 11 deg
Asc - 22 deg all in Capricorn Uranus & Neptune are conjunct it so it might not count then
As of now, I am 18 years of age. I've been through some issues with regards to my father though.

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Uranus, saturn and neptune and pluto are all generational but when the make an aspect to a 'personal planet' then they are felt

Where is your chart ruler Saturn located and how is it aspected?

your natal mars in 12th can sometimes suggest being bullied by people close to you. But on the positive side it gives energy and impetus to your stellium

stelliums in houses
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080418162943AA1TzLE http://www.lunarliving.org/astrology/stellium_grandquintile.shtml http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=33102 http://www.skyscript.co.uk/aspects2.html http://skywriter.wordpress.com/2010/02/19/a-few-last-insights-into-stelliums-from-readers/

Basic astrology forum, 12th house planets http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum12/private-jjLYZw161/HTML/000666.html
To enter this forum you need an extra password – astrology….

posted February 21, 2012 05:10 AM            

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Originally posted by DayandNight21:
This is a great topic Ami Anne.
I have saturn ruling 7th and 8th houses and saturn placed at end of 12th house (technically near to 1st house interp). I was never sexually abused but experienced a traumatic death of someone close and at the saturn return a traumatic relationship ended. So there is truth in the interpretations. I follow astrofix.net and she has done some good interpretations and her work allows me to heal a little.

The 12th house ruler is in the 1oth house.
This is significant because it reads you will experience sorrow from authority figures (check yes)[hmmmm not heard of this one, can you site a source pls?]
your losses become widely known (check yes)
your mystic interests become public knowledge (check yes, I am not proud of this as I still feel its taboo).

I think it does indicate sorrow in that house and all my partners have wanted to control me (so have learnt to make better decisions). Also it is important to see where the ruler of the 12th house is placed.

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In Equal house you only get one house cusp ruler and make things much simpler

IF the ruler of 8th in 12th it could suggest psychic ability but with saturn it may well be delayed til mid life. ruler of 7th in 12th is in my mind prob THE most difficult.

Ruler of the Twelfth House in the Tenth House

"Any altruistic service that you perform will come before the public eye. You want to help others through your career or your position of authority and responsibility. You could experience a time of confusion and doubt about your career choices.
You may be called upon to forgive your father or some other primary authority figure. Too much emphasis on your worldly status can eventually work against you. Use whatever power you gain with wisdom and compassion. The world you create is the one you will also live in." http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology/houserulerships.htm#hr12

Saturn conj Asc will most probably knock your confidence in childhood, but as you mature, depending on the rising sign will overcome this...

posted February 21, 2012 05:22 AM            

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Originally posted by FireWire:
Oh, lol. Ok, in that case, no (should have read a bit closer, shouldn't I). Just POF and Ceres!

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having a planet of asteriod inn 12th can be just as problematic, depending on how they are aspected of course. energies seem to dissolve in this house, 'serve or suffer' are keywords here..

Ceres The first asteroid discovered is by far the largest of the bunch. Ceres is an incredibly powerful archetype with a wide range of useful interpretations. In the personal horoscope Ceres shows how we take care of others, as well as how we take care of ourselves. Ceres is our Inner Mother, and is especially concerned about eating habits and the other ways that we physically grow our personal lives

"Ceres in the Twelfth House: This is the house of hidden things, psychological problems and "restrictions." Whatever is in this house shows what we don't want to show to the world, or even to ourselves. Ceres in the 12th house can show that nurturing needs were suppressed. This could also make it difficult to nurture others. On the positive side, this placement could channel these frustrations into charity work where you provide nurturing to the poor, the sick, and the unfortunate." http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/Ceres21.1.html
http://neptunecafe.homestead.com/Ceres.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceres_(dwarf_planet http://www.solarviews.com/eng/ceres.htm http://en.mimi.hu/astrology/ceres.html http://www.librarising.com/astrology/tables/ceres.html

POF http://www.astrotherapy.eu/ParsFortunae.htm http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-5210.html http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpOVfJmEFH4 http://www.arlenekramer.net/astrology8.asp
last one is POF conj planets

“However, in the case of both significations one must keep in mind that no one indication in the chart, not even the Part of Fortune, can be taken by itself as a total indicator of any area of life. For health one must also look at the Ascendant, its ruler, the Moon and its ruler. Also the sixth and eighth houses as indicators of illness and death respectively have strong indications for health. For material prosperity one should also look at the second house, the tenth house, and their rulers.” http://www.astro.com/astrology/in_fortune_e.htm

“The fortune indicated by this part is not necessarily materialistic or even tangible, though it can be. It depends on the sign and house location of the Part of Fortune. The benefit can be on the physical, intellectual, emotional, and/or spiritual plane of experience. In all cases it is through the cultivation and expression of this point that one will experience harmony and a sense of well-being.” http://www.astroresources.com/fortune.htm

“The Part of Fortune represents worldly success, and is associated with the physical body and health as well. It can be indicative of the career or vocation. Worldly success and prosperity are associated with the Part of Fortune, and both its sign and house placement suggests innate abilities and talents--areas of life and qualities that are expressed naturally.” http://www.cafeastrology.com/partoffortune.html
just found a site for calculating this and many more Parts or Lots -- http://www.noendpress.com/pvachier/arabicparts/index.php

"Some formulas listed here have both an AM and PM version. The PM version is a reverse of the AM version and when indicated, persons born in the daytime (Sun in 7th - 12th houses) should use the AM formula while persons born in the evening (Sun in 1st - 6th houses) should use the PM formula. Sometimes it's best to try both formulas."
Check the placement of the Sun in the chart, it must be sensibly placed relative to the horizon for the given time of day. For a day birth, the Sun must be above the horizon.

From astro.com explanations on POF
We use different formulae for Pars Fortunae for a day birth than for a night birth. You can change this rule with an option in the extended chart selection.
The day formula is: ASC + Moon - Sun
The night formula: ASC + Sun - Moon
Astrologers differ in their views about which formula to use for Pars Fortunae.
If you're interested in in-depth information, please read the article "The Lot or Part of Fortune" by Robert Hand in our "Understanding Astrology" section.

posted February 21, 2012 05:30 AM            

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
Taurus rules my 12th house, and I have Mars and Jupiter in Gemini in there.

So are you asking where Mars and Jupiter rule in my chart? I believe Mars would rule the 11th, as Aries resides there, and Jupiter would rule my 7th house, which also contains the natural ruler of 12H, Neptune.

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for example looking at ruler of 1st and 7th shows a theme of how relationships may well 'play out' I have my two in 90' square aspect, which creates tension to make things run smoothly.... Any aspect though is better than none. of course we still look at planets in 7th (1) how they are aspected (2) where the ruler of 7th is posited and how it's aspected..

Perhaps a suggestion for this thread since Ami ann is concerned with all things hidden and abuse, not to just exclusively delinate planets in 8th or 12th but ALSO IC as this describe early home environment and IC ruler is placed and aspected would be a really good exercise....

posted February 21, 2012 05:33 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
It seems to be lining up that people HAVE sorrow in the House from which the House Ruler comes.

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Sorrow is completely the wrong word to use and house rulerships simply just make the link between planets and house rulers. It doesn't indicate sorrow unless we are talking about malifics like Saturn, uranus, neptune and pluto. The kind of pain and sorrow you seem to be asking or interested in ie: 8th and 12th should not be exclusive. Home roots, upbringing are described by IC, sun, saturn and moon

Linking house rulers to 12th ---It can show where there IS hidden support from family memebers, partners, work colleagues, siblings, friends etc etc...