posted February 21, 2012 05:37 AM            

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Originally posted by FireWire:
Virgo Rules my 12th house

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So where is your mercury posited. Also look to which house gemini rules to to make the necessary links..

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now what would be a good exercise when discussing 12th house planets would be to use solar arcs. the very first simple forms of delination going. It helps to rectify your TOB and gives time frame reference of events espec for upto age 12ish...

Solar arcs are really simple, especially for beginners, just move the Angles, Asc, Desc, MC, IC 1' for each year of your life onto planets and vice versa. Not just used for rectification either. Under age 12 though these interpretations are directed towards family changes, maybe relocation, job changes, illnesses, additions to family etc.....
Further research on solar arcs try these threads.
Solar arcs are really simple, especially for beginners, just move the Angles, Asc, Desc, MC, IC 1' for each year of your life onto planets and vice versa. Not just used for rectification either. Under age 12 though these interpretations are directed towards family changes, maybe relocation, job changes, illnesses, additions to family etc.....

Further research on solar arcs try these threads. http://www.kepler.edu/videos/0902SolarArc/Stathis_SolarArc_Feb09.pdf http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12024&highlight=solar+arcs http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12958&highlight=solar+arcs http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6691&highlight=solar+arcs http://www.aquamoonlight.co.uk/rectification.html http://www.frankstar.com/solararc.htm http://thezodiac.com/arcs.htm http://www.donmc.com/Comparing%20Transits%20and%20Solar%20Arcs%20II.htm http://en.mimi.hu/astrology/solar_arc_directions.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrological_progression http://www.bernadettebrady.com/Pdfs/...tification.pdf http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12024&highlight=solar+arcs http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12958&highlight=solar+arcs http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6691&highlight=solar+arcs http://www.aquamoonlight.co.uk/rectification.html http://www.frankstar.com/solararc.htm http://thezodiac.com/arcs.htm http://www.donmc.com/Comparing%20Transits%20and%20Solar%20Arcs%20II.htm http://en.mimi.hu/astrology/solar_arc_directions.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrological_progression http://www.bernadettebrady.com/Pdfs/...tification.pdf

Rectification of birth time http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KW0G2S2Ti4I http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYMX9X2C1BQ&NR=1
• Transiting Pluto square, conj opp Asc, Desc, MC, IC
• If under 12’ when it conj an Angle then their age was under age 12 it’s parents adjustments. A death, change within father’s work, a separation, remarriage.
• Adults or teens, 1st job, identity transformation MC.
• Pluto conj Desc = death, health concerns, geographic, significant relationship or break up, but has to be ‘life transforming’
• Also try transiting Neptune, something dissolving, disappearing, confusing etc.
• Timings of transits… is it the 1st hit? More often it’s the middle retrograde hit… but could be the last direct hit also. 1’ =4minutes in time.

posted February 21, 2012 05:41 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Well, if anything is 10 degrees away from the ASC, it is counted as 1st House. Are you very young?

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I use 5' orb personally i think 10' is far too wide...

Planets conj House cusp
“Ascendant at 15’ Libra and Jupiter 13’ Libra. That would place Jupiter in the 12th house, right? But many thoughtful astrologers would read this as Jupiter being conjunction with Ascendant, and end up reading it as bringing its action to bear in the first house, rather than in the 12th.
This same idea would apply for each and every house cusp. If the planet is IN THE SAME SIGN as the sign on the next house cusp, and close enough to be CONJUNCT WITH that next house cusp, the action of the planet will be directed into oncoming house” http://www.astrology-numerology.com/inhouses.html http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14887 http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=125412&postcount=4
Ptolemy says the influence of the house begins to be felt 5° before the actual cusp. http://www.astrologycom.com/houses.html

“Astrologers have seen a body influencing the house it is about to enter, time and time again. All theorizing aside, the planet casting its shadow ahead works. I can speak from personal experience, as well as reading ancient texts. If you discover this as true, then the next question may be, "Just how close must a body be to a cusp before it begins to be felt in the neighboring house?"
I've seen some authors say 3 degrees. I've seen some that give 5 degrees. I have seen some that even give 8 degrees. And there may be other variations.” http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/90c9f417-5086-4ff0-b31f-c904fe99baca

posted February 21, 2012 05:51 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
First of all:
honestly, everyone is having sorrow in most areas of their lives sometimes, though it depends on how important you deem a certain area and thus will feel sorrow and pain more quickly and deeply.

Anyway, I have Mars in 12th house; Mars rules the 4th house.
My 4th house, my home and family, is not a "sorrowful" one. Actually it is the very foundation of my life, a very supportive base to build on.

NOw, I know that others might maybe have felt it more like a "sorrowful" one, as there are some unusual things about my family. My aunt has been growing up with me as sort of a stepsister, my middle brother has the Down syndrome, both my grandfathers were being taken care of by my parents and died at home.

Of course there was pain associated with the deaths of my grandparents, but isn`t that always the case, if a loved one dies, and they were in their 70`s, when they died.

But with all that extra-attention and energy, that goes into my 4th house, my family, it is also a source of strenght (and I do have Chiron there, as well!) and joy.

So no, for me this isn`t true. But maybe it depends on how Mars is aspected?

(though having said that, my Mars is actually one leg of a "Hammer of Thor" with my Chiron and Vertex; a "Hammer of Thor" is the square between my Chiron and Vertex, with sesisquares to my Mars).

My family and the unusual make up of my family definitely contributed greatly to my inclination to spiritual things, and seeing things from a spiritual perspective.

I know you do not believe in past lives, but I feel very strongly, that my family and me, are a family *for a reason*, be it that we are part of the same soulfamily and reincarnated together again, or be it that we simply have a purpose and things to learn and accomplish together (you do not have to believe in past lives for that to be possible).

Even though I think that sometimes there will be sorrow associated with the 12th house, there is always something to gain from it, to learn, and in this way I see the 12th house as one of the most karmic ones in the whole chart. (Karma is not ONLY past lives, as a matter of fact, the emphasis is much more on thé present, what you need to learn).

Often us humans need sorrowful or painful experience, to even start with this learning, as otherwise we will stay stuck in our comfortzone.

(Of course like always that is not true for everyone).

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I think it's ridiculous to assume that the Soul can learn everything that it needs to learn in just one lifetime..

Ruler of the Fourth House in the Twelfth House

"There may have been unclear circumstances surrounding your mother or other close family members-perhaps mentally creating an idealized version of your childhood circumstances. You could be a very private person and you feel emotionally secure even when you are alone. This can also mean that you'll become more spiritually oriented during the second half of life, perhaps putting more emphasis on developing that side of yourself." http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology/houserulerships.htm#hr4

Also taking house cusp rulers a step further you can also play around with *derived houses* which means literally turning the chart. for example if you put your 7th house as your first. This will describe your partner/husband, 2nd house is HIS resources, earning capacity (your 8th)etc

posted February 21, 2012 06:01 AM            

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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
OK Ami, I'll try again. I'm slowly catching up with the lingo and thought process. What exactly should I see? My 5th House is in Cancer ruled by the Moon in 3rd House. Shouldn't I see the ruler of my 5th House in the 12th HOuse or 8th House (of death) ? [are you attempting to find the death of a child or baby??]

Pisces is the natural ASC, and the ruler of Pisces is Neptune, naturally in the 9th House. What if I get Neptune into the 8th House in Scorpio?

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Planets IN houses take first go at delinating a house, and of course how those planets are aspected. then the house cusp ruler connects the houses

planets in houses http://www.horoscopeswithin.com/planetsinhouses.php
Houses/signs are like the backdrop of a stage/theatre, planets in houses behave like actors on a stage, the *aspects* show how these planets/actor behave in a house

What sign rules your 12th? and where is that planet placed?

Pisces Asc thread. http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=40284
Pisces Asc (along with gemini) is probably one of the most difficult in childhood. With pisces they are sooo impressionable, easily manipulated and make lots of sacrifices trying to please family to much

Houses: angular houses 1/7 4/10 the energies of planets placed here are obvious cos it's your 'shop window' visible for everyone to see. Next the succeedent houses 2/8 & 5/11 the energies in these houses are not in shop window the are in the shop, but stood behind the counter, ready to come out when needed. Lastly, cadent houses 6/12 & 3/9 these houses/planets are not in shop window or stood behind the counter, they are in the back storeroom and only come out when 'triggered' or an emergency and much harder to recognise and access...

The houses are like the backdrop of a stage, the setting if you like, the planets are like actors and the aspects are how the planets behave in that settings/stage....So remember you may find it harder to identify with planets and Neptune in this case in Cadent houses….

Neptune in 8th - never get a joint bank account!

Neptune in 8th House – succeedent house
Psychic tendencies, often manifested in spiritualism and ¬clairvoyance. Unusual secret circumstances may surround partners money insurance, taxes, and inheritance.
Ideal attitude to partner of how they want to share money, body (including sex), resources (shared money) and values, being the opposite of 2nd house. May never know how much their partners earn! Want a lot of romance in sex life, and to have all the trimmings with good aspects. Easily swept off their feet by knight in shining armour syndrome. Can even wear the rose tinted glasses here, because you will think they were worth it. Bad aspects cause disillusionment, even so would have been worth the price! May marry a wanderer.
May have spiritual psychic abilities, whether recognised or not!

trying to find a *death signature* is pointless, there is NONE

What Astrology Can and Can Not Do http://www.ofspirit.com/susanmiller1.htm http://www.cafeastrology.com/articles/whatastrologycandoforyou.html http://www.astro.com/astrology/in_kdvalue_e.htm

posted February 21, 2012 06:12 AM            

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The Ruler of Another House Residing in the Twelfth —–Does it Indicate Sorrow in the House from which it Came?
By amiann

I was thinking about this, in terms of my chart. I have Ruler of the 5th in the 12th.I lost a child. The 5th is the House of all things we create,which includes children.It’s Ruler travels to the 12th, the House of Sorrow, as was it’s old name. Does anyone have a House Ruler in the 12th House? If so, please tell me from which House it came and what you have experienced. This would apply to people with 12th House planets, only.

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Ami. Your child is with us forever, in all dimensions,in all realities, you will remember him and see him when you move on too, and he will help you adjust in the next stage of our evolution, fear not that the veil is over us now.

As for the 12th house, I have come to the conclusion today after years of meditation and failing in life that it is about renunciation. My nn is in the 12th house. I thought this meant to do the 12th house things in solitude, or to make films, or to sing and play guitar - taurus, or to be an artist...but as it turns out...all these things are things that I'm naturally good at, but must renounce to bounce back into my Sn in the sixth house. When this happens I am finding peace instead of feeling ripped in two.

For the ruler of the 5th to be in the 12th, I intuit that you must renounce your loss to fulfill 5th house functions. This is not easy for me to say because I feel you may misinterpret. I am not saying to forget, but I am saying to crystallize the complex(emotional trauma and fear).

Instead of focusing on this point I recommend focusing on the north node south node sequence and the Pluto evolutionary poles. You can do it, and you have been doing, and you've been growing tremendously and helping so many people.

posted February 21, 2012 06:35 AM            

just to explain a little further your North Node in 12th--

Internalizing anger can create physical illness espec stomach, I always think of virgo as a typical stomach ulcer kind of sign. Have you found yourself with periods of unemployment where time alone or meditating brings relief and quiet inner life?

South node is our comfort zone, what is familiar to us and having your sun here will probably have a flair for *details and organizing* things. You should have interests in health industry or alternative health even. Are you interested in reiki or homapathy at all?

North in 12th is similar to having pisces Node where compassion, tea and sympathy abound. Do you find people bring their problems to you? This suggests coming away from worrying about the little details of work, life everything really. A point of mind over mind, when the mind is calm, contented and peaceful, your outer life will reflect this to

posted February 21, 2012 06:48 AM            

thank you.

And yes I agree, though my spirituality was awaken in very young age.

If I go a bit further back in my anchestry there have been HEAVY turmoil, and apparently karmic circumstances surrounding water.

both families had to leave their homes behind in second world war; they had to cross the ocean, actually my maternal great grandmother took her daughters and crossed the frozen Baltic Sea by foot.
She actually had tickets for the "Gustloff", the cruiser meant to take civilists to security, but instead was sunk by the Russians, and most passengers and crewmembers lost their lives in the sea.
Well my maternal great grandmother "missed" the ship, due to being too late.

Anyway, a generation later, my mom had to witness her little brother die as he drowned. (she was 3 and he was one and a half at that time).
A few laters her mother died of (emboly of the lungs - I don`t know how it is called in English) at the age of 36.

When I was born, I had the umbilical cord around my neck. Luckily I had my shoulder raised and the cord went around it, too. Otherwise I might have strangled myself upon being born.
When I as about one and a half I jumped into a swimmingpool, drowned and nearly died, if my Dad hadn`t retrieved me quickly.

When my youngest brother was about one and a half year, he dove into a pond. Luckily my middle brother, who has the Down syndrome, was being there with him, and pulled him out of the water (and was very afraid what my mother would say as his clothes were wet; my mother of course was overjoyed. lol).

About that time my mum herself pulled a boy of the neighbours out of the same pond; the boy was one and a half year at that time!

How am I NOT to believe that my mum (and probably our family) is attached to "water-karma"?

(BTW I myself have been on a ferry in a very heavy storm on the Irish Sea, and we were simply lucky it did not sink. A few later I was standing in a small shop-passage, when a thunderstorm crashed down and set the passage under water, so that I was wading through water up to my ankles.
The funny thing is that it was only in that passage and the parking lot in front of it, that the rain had overflooded the ground so much that it was ankle-high).

Sorry I disgress.

But anyway, there is also the fact that the father of my maternal grandfather had no father. He was the illegitimate child of a maid; but he was lucky as the local baron or lord took care of him and helped him to first make a bit of a military career (he would never had the chance with his background without that aristocrat speaking for him) and after that became a servant in several aristocratic homes.

Well we sure do not know what is behind this, but it would not be impossible to think that his father migh have been from higher rank and simply could not accept him as his child officially.
But of course we do not know - so that definitely is unclear.

posted February 21, 2012 08:22 AM            

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Ami. Your child is with us forever, in all dimensions,in all realities, you will remember him and see him when you move on too, and he will help you adjust in the next stage of our evolution, fear not that the veil is over us now.

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Saggi: Thanks for all your research.

posted February 21, 2012 08:36 AM            

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chironrising, nice response..

Internalizing anger can create physical illness espec stomach, I always think of virgo as a typical stomach ulcer kind of sign. Have you found yourself with periods of unemployment where time alone or meditating brings relief and quiet inner life?

South node is our comfort zone, what is familiar to us and having your sun here will probably have a flair for *details and organizing* things. You should have interests in health industry or alternative health even. Are you interested in reiki or homapathy at all?

North in 12th is similar to having pisces Node where compassion, tea and sympathy abound. Do you find people bring their problems to you? This suggests coming away from worrying about the little details of work, life everything really. A point of mind over mind, when the mind is calm, contented and peaceful, your outer life will reflect this to

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Before I go, I'm assuming this was for me? Yes...I had an intense job before where I almost went insane. I had to quit and I've been off for a while now...playing music, studying, improving my self, and expanding...specifically and recently I've uncovered Zazen.

Thank you for all your help.

posted February 21, 2012 08:41 AM            

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Where is your chart ruler Saturn located and how is it aspected?

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posted February 21, 2012 08:55 AM            

Cot deaths…. Selfless act of love for a soul to be reborn only for a few short months. It will have the memory of being helpless and totally dependent on its mother/family and may be just what an ‘independent soul’ needed to learn! The parents Karma is also tied in with – but they can receive messages from this child when its older, because it was its Karma to go then (ordained/planned) The parents Karma is very direct because instead of turning it to anger and resentment – the challenge was to learn sympathy/empathy to others. Whole ‘support groups/societies’ have been founded upon parents losing a child/cot death. Without that death and/or suffering nothing would have changed/altered. The greatest instigators of change are from people who have suffered like this!. Unless people suffer pain they cannot grow/learn. If their child died of something unexplained then scientists would investigate and look for a reason.

If a child died accidentally – that’s totally different. The parents/family are given a lot of support, light and love from spirit and encouraged to receive a message of support, love and comfort.

DIANA COOPER – A LITTLE LIGHT ON SPIRITUAL LAWS

Additionally in this chapter - The Law of Request

As soon as you are ready to ask for help you are ready to receive it. You are ready to accept the wisdom that goes with it.
Then the higher powers will align themselves to help you.

When you need help from the Angels, Jesus, the Ascended Masters or any of the spiritual hierarchy of light, first quieten and centre yourself. Meditate on what you really want and find clarity about it.
Then ask the beings to whom you wish to address your request for the help you require. They will always help you. [be vigilant and watch for how it comes though...........my bit]

Remember the answer lies in the question. The more clarity you have in your question, the fuller the help you will receive.
The Universe is waiting to help you. All you have to do is ask

The Law of Attraction

You are a transmitter. You broadcast the play of your life. Our underlying beliefs attract situations and people to us.

• If you have a belief that you are not deserving, you will attract people into your life who mirror that belief back you by treating you badly.
• If you believe that you have to serve others, you attract people who need to be looked after in some way.
• If you have a belief that no one could possibly understand you, you will magnetise people who do not understand you.
• If you feel ready to commit to a relationship (for example) but your partner will not do so, look within at your own fear of commitment. He or she simply would not be there if you were one hundred per cent sure.
The moment you resolve your underlying belief, the other person will either commit to you or leave your life and allow someone who can commit to enter.
• The person who is always cheerful and happy but seems to be surrounded by depressed people has attracted them to mirror their inner unhappiness. They serve a purpose, possibly to make them feel needed.

• People desperate to have children/babies where there is no physical reason. Until they decide to surrender and make their lives fulfilling without a child, then an energy shift can take place. They sent out magnetic energy of contentment, which drew in a spirit from the Universe, and suddenly were expecting a baby.

Our underlying beliefs attracts situations and people to us. If you have a belief that you are not deserving you will attract people into your life who mirror that belief back to you by treating you badly.

• If you think negative thoughts you attract negative situations and people.
• If you have ill health, the moment you are ready to let it go you will attract the perfect healer into your life
• If you want a project to succeed but you have underlying feelings of boredom or you are scared or tired, the underlying energy will counteract the success of the project.

Whenever something is not materialising as you expect, examine your underlying feelings and change them. Then magnetise what you do want.

THE INNER ATTRACTS THE OUTER.

If something in your outer world is not what you want it to be, look inside and shift how you feel about yourself. You will then automatically attract different people and experiences to you.

 Do not send out negative energy and wait for a disaster.
 Send out positive light and wait for a miracle to be drawn towards you.

You are a magnet; you attract like to you. Peace within leads to peace in your life.

Your body is a mirror of your deep, often unconscious, inner feelings.

• So, if you have a pain in the neck, ask yourself, "Whom am I allowing to be pain in the neck?"
When you have re-empowered yourself you no longer need to have a pain in this location.
• The same principle applies to pain in the backside. "Who is a pain in the backside?"
• Pain in the heart. "Who am I allowing to hurt me?"
• Indigestion. "What experience can't I assimilate?"
• An ache. "Who or what am I aching for?"
• If you cannot hear, you ask, "What don't I want to hear?" or "Who don't I want to listen to?"
• If you have stiff hips, ask yourself, "How can I change my attitude to moving forward?"

• Stiff hips reflect an inability to move forward in life.
Anything on the right side of the body mirrors attitudes to do with men, the future or our career.
The left side reflects our attitudes to women, the past or our home life.

posted February 21, 2012 09:02 AM            

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Before I go, I'm assuming this was for me? Yes...I had an intense job before where I almost went insane. I had to quit and I've been off for a while now...playing music, studying, improving my self, and expanding...specifically and recently I've uncovered Zazen.

Thank you for all your help.

Namaste.

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perhaps after some time alone,and realising you need this time alone, will or should be a good healing but also for healing others by your experiences...

posted February 21, 2012 09:06 AM            

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Originally posted by affy:
Saturn is in Aquarius 2nd House. And it is biquintile my Libra Moon & square North Node.

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Saturn in signs is a generational 2.5year matter, in the house shows where your hard work and Lessons will be. Do you have a fear of poverty at all?
Biquintile is a minor aspect, which I don't use. So what your saying is Saturn is 'unaspected'

The houses are like the backdrop of a stage, the setting if you like, the planets are like actors and the aspects are how the planets behave in that settings/stage....So remember you may find it harder to identify with planets and Saturn in this case in Cadent houses….

"Saturn’s" influence seems to be more obvious in the houses than in the signs can rule the life with an iron rod, although invisible, by undermining the sense of ¬self worth and making it difficult for the individual to permit any close emotional contacts.

Saturn's sign indicates what you find uncomfortable and must learn to manage.
Where and how you feel a lack of confidence -- the house position of Saturn defines where
you need to establish your skills, an issue you worry about and wish you could depend on !

Lovely anecdote about Saturn from member mahaira on astrologyweekly.com,

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There's an interesting thing I read somewhere, which I would never take as a rule as it oversimplifies matters - we can guess where someone's Saturn is placed, broadly speaking, by asking him/her "What do you want (or did want) but don't have?"

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Takes 28 years to go around zodiac. Stays in each sign of approx 2.1/2 yrs
Keywords: Saturn = Structure, duty, limitation, restriction.

Saturn in the 2nd house
There can be gain through inheritance. This person does not gain inward peace unless he has learned to share what he has with others. Real estate or anything to do with land is a good investment. There is a need to re-evaluate personal beliefs, values and attitudes and find a more stable basis from which to operate.Too much materialism and possessiveness can be present. There may be a fear of poverty, as a result these people are careful with money. But excessive caution or meanness can lead to lost financial opportunities. Any purchase must be of practical use and value for money.

Basic astrology forum, retrogrades,Unaspected & Singletons http://www.linda-goodman.com/cgi-bin/ubb/forumdisplay.cgi?action=topics&forum=Basic+Astrology&number=12&DaysPrune=
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posted February 21, 2012 09:52 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Sorrow from marriage or committed relationships.

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posted February 21, 2012 12:27 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Yes Hannarama

Have you had sorrow in the 11th and the 7th?

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posted February 21, 2012 01:27 PM            

Sorry I had to inject a bit of humor/humour because this thread was getting me down.

Grossly unhappy childhood.
Raped with a lethal weapon at 10.
Tortured in school.
Involuntary loss of virginity (this time to a woman) via a paid professional hired by stupid teenage friends.
Cheated on by first love, who got pregnant with the baby of my childhood best friend.
Shock of living abroad on my own since 14.
Shot at (but not injured or killed) in the military.
Perpetually kicked in the butt by love.
Loss of two daughters. Two dead children buried side-by-side.
Loss of beloveed mother-in-law.
Loss of beloved mother.
Loss of six dogs, two birds, two guinea pigs and perhaps 20 goldfish.
Survival of 9/11/2001.

And yet I don't see any of these on my chart!!

posted February 21, 2012 02:51 PM            

That is my 2 cents, Ian.
Love you xx

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