posted February 29, 2012 11:59 PM            

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Originally posted by woah cakes:

he's also engaged.

[b]is saturn square saturn doomed? , and jeez i thought venus sq pluto was usually the pluto person who was obsessed! and is it even workable in a healthy mature relationship?? thanks if anyone has any thoughts![/B]

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Is he having doubts about his relationship ? How sad I feel sorry for the other Girl and all her hopes and dreams shattered if this doesn't go through.
Anyway you do sound excited and yes you do seem sweet and playful haha just saying

posted March 01, 2012 12:02 AM            

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Originally posted by Betty Boop:
Mint -

I would want him to tell her that he is in love with someone else.. so they can either choose to get counselling or sort things out in some way (if they still want to try to make it work).... or - He can decide to be with me.

But if he chose to continue his relationship, pretending it is 'all good' with his gf, whilst claiming to be in love with *me*... and possibly lying to both of us - I'd be strongly put off. I'd fall out of love at that point.

Anyway - this is not woah's situation.. because she does not love him back. I feel like this is his own problem. If he is in a relationship that is not working, and he is in love with another person... then he really shouldn't go on with it.

Maybe I sound harsh.. I know that it can be difficult to end things. But I just think it's a "do onto others..." situation.
I would want my partner to be *honest*. It would hurt me a lot more if I realised years later that I've been living a lie.

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posted March 01, 2012 12:42 AM            

doreen, i think when i asked that question it was at moment of actually considering it, with the inherent context of *if* (he wasn't taken, or he had stuck around and we had talked about maybe being together). i don't know how to explain it other than i think in hypotheticals and sort of.. spirals. i think it's an aqua brain thing, but there is a small part of me still pondering the if. however it is not huge and their relationship comes first, not only out of respect and honour but also because i do not really think i feel strongly enough about him to consider it although it is really TRICKY because he is an aqua like me and we always had extremely stimulating conversations and my aqua mars adores this aspect of him (that tbh, i've only experienced with one other aqua on my mars and it is BIG for me).

but yeah IF i happened to be in love with him to any substantial degree (cuz i might be just the tiniest bit??? i dunno!) it would be a lot more of a moral dilemma. i really 'get' everyone's takes and where everyone is coming from, and of course everyone operates differently, so for some even thinking about the whole thing would be really iffy or dangerous territory but for me if i supress the urge it will actually bother me MORE and create a temptation. but as it stands, i am also a little weirded out that he told me (for her sake) and hope he didn't get into this relationship for the wrong reasons, etc. on the other hand, self honesty is really important and it would suck if he wasn't really in love with her and married her anyway, you know? either way i have to stay out of it cuz i would not feel right influencing anything.

but man i do miss him a lot and i think maybe my excitation has mostly to do with remembering how kooky we were together and how long and interesting our convos were. i would LOVE to have that with a man toward whom i was very attracted and who was available, good for me etc.

posted March 01, 2012 02:46 PM            

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Originally posted by Betty Boop:
woah - Actually he's the Neptune. He said he had a dream about her before he contacted her I think Mars/Neptune can be very sweet when both people are mature.
Maybe the reason I relate to that interpretation by Liz Greene is because the time when I met *most* guys my age - was in HS. All my current male friends are 3-10 yrs older, so we don't have this aspect.

That makes sense. Actually the only time in my life when I was in a similar situation - he had his Venus exactly conjunct my Pluto.
I was with my ex at the time and the Venus guy ^ told me he had been in love with me for the past 5 yrs (which was since he had met me). As much as I cared about him as a friend - I just didn't see him the same way & my ex was in the picture. He became depressed, after I rejected him, and other sad things happened. He wasn't eating, sleeping - didn't want to go out, threatened suicide. So basically I was always with him - even if we weren't together and even if I wasn't in love with him.. because I was so worried about him. His behaviour was at least partially manipulative. I hope your guy won't do anything 'crazy' like that.

Anyway - this is very much in the past for me! I mean we've all moved on from this. I would still call him my friend today. He's engaged to a really nice person and he's in love with her.. and I'm happy for him.

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wow, okay yeah i can see how that is him being neptune.. i guess the neptune person can either do the idealizing/dreaming OR be the object of idealization. it's so weird and interesting that i had that initially strong attraction to him based on my years-long (and VERY intense) crush on the celeb who looks so much like him, but that for the most part it was him who idealized me.

i think that's what is tripping me out the most because there is this very VAGUE but very strong attraction to him that is either.. repressed or.. too uncertain.. or.. imagined? or something but just feels so hard to define/pinpoint/understand. that is why this is really bugging me because (and it obviously has to do with things other than the celebrity crush aspect) something within my theoretical pondering is saying YES! but overall, the rest of it is no, nah and NOPE.