posted March 07, 2012 09:59 PM            

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Originally posted by alaz7200:
Ami Anne -- you've gained my respect for past posts, so I want to ask a question about this one. I've read that while Chiron shows our sorrows/wounds in life, the house it's in may also be indicative of a relentless drive to attain what we feel so deprived of. Do you concur with this?

I tend to find this is true. I have Chiron in Leo in the 10th House and have always been motivated to succeed before all others, lead the pack, be known far and wide as a success story. As a kid, I was a prototypical overachiever and was known for my impeccable grades and singing/performing talents. Always lead in the school plays and somewhat of a classical music prodigy locally. I am described by those in the know of astrology as being very Leo. I know Beyonce also has this placement, so I can't help but disagree with the notion that a Chiron in 10th would necessarily watch as someone they assist shines brighter than they ever could.

Let me know your thoughts!

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Thanks Alaz
Well, I am a humble student of Astrology. Chiron in the 10th would have some deep pain with society/career.I have seen it with people who could not make it in a career and are angry at society. I have seen it in people who felt they did not belong in society.Perhaps, they were a mixed race. I think Chiron in the 10th would be some sorrow with one's place in society or career. I appreciate your kind words more than you can know! Thank you Alaz.

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posted March 07, 2012 11:02 PM            

I do think some people see me as broken in some way... But honestly its far from the truth.
I am unbreakable..
My ex husband thought I was a lost soul, and he wanted so badly to fix me..
his moon conjunct my chiron..
But he was the wounded one...
Im not a lost soul, maybe a bit confused at times, but not lost...
I would never allow something to take over me..
I accept and deal and move forward.

posted March 08, 2012 03:04 AM            

I work with my hands a lot. As an artist and healer.

posted March 08, 2012 04:25 AM            

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Originally posted by Desiring Shadows:
Thanks ami. I was just curious. That's a lot of gemini! You have

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posted March 08, 2012 04:29 AM            

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Originally posted by Doreen:
What would Chiron retro in the 7th be like Ami ?
* Edit *My Daughter has this any info would be great
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Mert described Retro perfectly. Chiron would be very very hard Retro. It may be the hardest one Retro even imo. Chiron is the wound which never heals by definition. Retro is a looping and looping of the energy until one can figure out how to make it direct. For example, with Mercury Retro I have to learn in a very deep way before I can use information but after I learn I can use it uniquely, it seems. Mercury Retro makes you a much deeper thinker too. That is just what the Retro does. So, if you take the planet of the wound which never heals and loop that, it sounds really really painful.

In the 7th house, the pain would be in marriage.

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posted March 08, 2012 04:32 AM            

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Originally posted by Lioness:
Chiron in the 1st house– This placement seems to indicate childhood bullying, in many, many cases. Chiron in the 1st house would be a outer manifestation of Chiron. It would be akin to wearing Chiron on your sleeve, for all the world to see. The Chiron wound could be physical such as a scar or deformity.It could be emotional such as emotional illness. Whatever it is, it is visible to others. As such, this is one of the hardest Chiron placements.
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I agree with SaggMC
None of this fits me either...
Maybe when I was little some girls "tried" to bully me, but yeah didnt work... I have way to much fire and fight in me to be bullied.

I do think some people see me as broken in some way... But honestly its far from the truth.
I am unbreakable..
My ex husband thought I was a lost soul, and he wanted so badly to fix me..
his moon conjunct my chiron..
But he was the wounded one...
Im not a lost soul, maybe a bit confused at times, but not lost...
I would never allow something to take over me..
I accept and deal and move forward.

bat-ta bing bat-ta boom!

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Well, I try to repeat this often. One cannot draw a doctrine on one placement. However,one must learn by isolating placements.Hence, there will be people to whom things will not fit. I am glad you were not bullied. You may have Pluto conjunct Dejanira like I do. I was not bullied either. There are protective aspects against bullying. I bet you have one of these. Check your Dejanira and Child asteroids.

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posted March 08, 2012 04:34 AM            

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Mine is in my 3rd house conj. Mercury in Taurus.

I work with my hands a lot. As an artist and healer.

Nice to think of it in a different way, other than where your wound is!

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Yes, Chiron is the wounded healer. Good point about using the wound.I do tend to forget about that. One must heal to a large degree before one can use the wound though, I think.

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posted March 08, 2012 04:53 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Mert described Retro perfectly. Chiron would be very very hard Retro. It may be the hardest one Retro even imo. Chiron is the wound which never heals by definition. Retro is a looping and looping of the energy until one can figure out how to make it direct. For example, with Mercury Retro I have to learn in a very deep way before I can use information but after I learn I can use it uniquely, it seems. Mercury Retro makes you a much deeper thinker too. That is just what the Retro does. So, if you take the planet of the wound which never heals and loop that, it sounds really really painful.

In the 7th house, the pain would be in marriage.

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posted March 08, 2012 05:01 AM            

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Originally posted by Doreen:
Thank you Ami
Very upsetting though

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Doreen, how long have you been studying Astrology? At the beginning I was really really freaked out by things but as you study more you get a sense of them. Each chart has good and bad, easy and hard. Retro Chiron is not the worst. The hardest thing of all is 12th House planets.If she doesn't have those, she is spared the hardest thing in the chart imo.

With those, one is forced to develop spiritual depth.I would not trade what I developed spiritually for anything.I wish I could have done it without going through it though

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posted March 08, 2012 05:24 AM            

With that being said I am a bit bummed out though lol I'm trying to get things started with a guy with Chiron retrograde in 7th house (conjunct my ASC). He also has a Scorpio Venus in 12th house. And to top it off my Chiron is in 12th house Taurus and I've got a 5th house Saturn retrograde in Virgo. Makes me wonder if we even have a chance... Of course we do! But I'm using up a lot of my "unconditional love"-ability currently. Struggle! But I think I'm growing? Anyone have more input on this or have the same placements?

posted March 08, 2012 05:29 AM            

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Originally posted by Nyah:
I agree that you shouldn't be freaked out, we all have bad stuff as well as good stuff going on and it's just influences. It's a good thing we're aware of them so we can change things and grow.

With that being said I am a bit bummed out though lol I'm trying to get things started with a guy with Chiron retrograde in 7th house (conjunct my ASC). He also has a Scorpio Venus in 12th house. And to top it off my Chiron is in 12th house Taurus and I've got a 5th house Saturn retrograde in Virgo. Makes me wonder if we even have a chance... Of course we do! But I'm using up a lot of my "unconditional love"-ability currently. Struggle! But I think I'm growing? Anyone have more input on this or have the same placements?

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Just those isolated placements are not enough on which to base a whole synastry Sweetie
You should post your synastry in PR. A synastry would answer all your questions as I think it shows everything.

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posted March 08, 2012 11:45 AM              

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Originally posted by alaz7200:
Ami Anne -- you've gained my respect for past posts, so I want to ask a question about this one. I've read that while Chiron shows our sorrows/wounds in life, the house it's in may also be indicative of a relentless drive to attain what we feel so deprived of. Do you concur with this?

I tend to find this is true. I have Chiron in Leo in the 10th House and have always been motivated to succeed before all others, lead the pack, be known far and wide as a success story. As a kid, I was a prototypical overachiever and was known for my impeccable grades and singing/performing talents. Always lead in the school plays and somewhat of a classical music prodigy locally. I am described by those in the know of astrology as being very Leo. I know Beyonce also has this placement, so I can't help but disagree with the notion that a Chiron in 10th would necessarily watch as someone they assist shines brighter than they ever could.

Let me know your thoughts!

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I doubt very much whether this creativit and drive has anything to do whatsoever with chiron. You seem to missing the whole point here. Do the research via some links I posted earlier. for further info post your chart for us to have a look at pls?

chiron in 10th is the mark of a healer, whether it's the mind, body or soul. Not someone who's this creative and wants to excel and be centre of attention...

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Chiron in Capricorn and the Tenth House
The 10th house describes parental issues. Our attitude to the world "out there" and to authority figures is strongly coloured by our experience of our mother, and her qualities are usually symbolised here. Saturn is the natural ruler of this house, and our first sense of boundaries is provided by mother. Thus the 10th house may describe the mother's unconscious ambitions, her drive for success, independence and power in the world; if this is so, then her unlived life and unfulfilled ambitions will deeply affect us.

This house describes our natural place in the world, our heritage and the way we seek to express it. It also concerns the laws, institutions and structures of society and the material world and, on a deeper level, how we aspire to give form to our potentials, manifest ourselves and participate in the world. We often experience difficulty in setting and achieving goals, and finding our place in society. We may have to be patient in our longing for a vocation through which to contribute to the world, as it may only come later in life, preceded by many false starts.

On the other hand, we perhaps find it difficult to enjoy the prestige which others perceive us as having, and are plagued with feelings of failure no matter how successful we appear. It is usually helpful to examine some of the deeper reasons behind this; we may be setting ourselves impossible standards, or hoping that each new mountain we climb will be the last. We could be struggling under a burden of parental expectations that can never be fulfilled; we are perhaps trying to succeed where they failed, or reach goals that they did not dare to aim for. We could eventually be driven to fail in order to disappoint our parents, and this might in fact be our first success. However, if this is unconscious, we continue to sell ourselves short and fail in order to punish them, not because we lack the ability and drive to succeed.

They could eventually find joy in struggling to climb the mountain of our own ambitions. We perhaps cling to external facades and role playing to conceal our vulnerability and feeling of being somehow out of place. We may either place undue emphasis on material success, prestige and status, or shun worldly power and position, only to find ourselves falling foul of the system, always getting parking tickets, having our tax affairs ¬investigated, or clashing with authority figures!

With this placement we might seem to lack a sense of ¬responsibility. On closer examination, however, a different picture emerges; we may be assuming responsibility for things over which in reality we have no control. This hinders our ¬ability to be independent in the world, and we then look for someone to take care of use.
We may need to relinquish a futile struggle with difficulties and burdens that really are none of our business. If we carry others' burdens, hoping for some reward or recognition in return, we may be disappointed and become bitter, resentful and refuse to participate in life. We sometimes misjudge our own capacities, take on too much, fail and then feel guilty for not living up to our responsibilities. Although we may fear being conspicuous in a position of control and authority, we perhaps also harbour fantasies of inflated and despotic power, usually suppressed through same and fear. If these uncomfortable feelings remain unconscious we could sabotage ourselves on the threshold of success.

One of the gifts of this placement is success flowing from a healthy sense of self respect and self worth, rather than success as a compensation for a lack of it. Many people with these contacts have a natural sense of authority and dignity that invites respect from others.

The wounded area may be the relationship with the personal father, and thus the father principle in general. The father may have been unknown; he may have been seen as weak and incapable, or rigid and authoritarian, or both; "Dont' do what I do, do what I say," is a familiar message to many with this placement.

Men and woman grow up determined that they will never be like their fathers; they then struggle hard against his model, only to discover later in life that this wounded or authoritarian father looms large within their own psyche, and threatens the positive outcome of conscious goals they may be striving for. Many men become fathers with the intention of "doing it different," only to discover later on, to their horror, that they have repeated exactly, but in another form, the characteristics of their own father which were so distasteful to them.

Sometimes the wound of Chiron reflects issues concerning the mother. She may have been the wounder; and women with this placement may struggle not to repeat the patterns inherited from their mothers. This is a common placement for people who work in the healing field, and sometimes their choice of profession is a direct attempt to counteract the wounding effects of an early relationship with their mother, by becoming a "good mother" themselves. They may also be making reparation for unconscious rage against their mother. If the mother was wounded or incapable in some way, they may when still very young have become capable of dealing with the world and looking after others.

Later on in life, people with this placement often have jobs with a great deal of responsibility, and are good at holding situations together; they may not, however, be able to take in nourishment from life.

The gift of this placement is the ability to foster the growth of others, by "re parenting" them, showing them love and giving guidance which may have been previously lacking. Those with this placement also can take seriously their duties towards themselves and others, and are not afraid to struggle with difficulties and burdens which others might shy away from.

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posted March 08, 2012 11:47 AM              

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Originally posted by Doreen:
What would Chiron retro in the 7th be like Ami ?
* Edit *My Daughter has this any info would be great
Thanks

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is your computer skills that bad that you cannot bear to click on a link?
Chiron links http://www.aquarianage.org/west/planets/ch-nat01.html http://www.astrotherapy.eu/Chiron.htm http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/chiron21.5.html http://www.aquamoonlight.co.uk/chiron.html http://www.martinlass.com/chiron.htm http://www.zanestein.com/chiron_a.htm http://www.pathwaytoascension.com/astrology/lesson6.html
http://books.google.com/books?id=4rnvfxrc4LwC&pg=PT1&dq=astrology+chiron&lr=lang_en&as_drrb_is=q&as_minm_is=0&as_miny_is=&as_maxm_is=0&as_maxy_is=&as_brr=0&ei=wMfUSoj-HI6MNdHKzYcO# v=onepage&q=astrology%20chiron&f=false

go to page 63 in the above book

posted March 08, 2012 11:53 AM              

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Originally posted by Nyah:
I agree that you shouldn't be freaked out, we all have bad stuff as well as good stuff going on and it's just influences. It's a good thing we're aware of them so we can change things and grow.

With that being said I am a bit bummed out though lol I'm trying to get things started with a guy with Chiron retrograde in 7th house (conjunct my ASC). He also has a Scorpio Venus in 12th house. And to top it off my Chiron is in 12th house Taurus and I've got a 5th house Saturn retrograde in Virgo. Makes me wonder if we even have a chance... Of course we do! But I'm using up a lot of my "unconditional love"-ability currently. Struggle! But I think I'm growing? Anyone have more input on this or have the same placements?

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i don't see chiron retro as very malific, the fact that your Asc is conj his chiron is important as the Angles are brought into play. it may be that your Asc (outward expression of that sign) will bring to light his wound. I've found chiron in 7th great at giving people relationship advices but cannot sometimes solve their own..

posted March 08, 2012 12:16 PM            

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Originally posted by SaggiMC:
is your computer skills that bad that you cannot bear to click on a link?
Chiron links http://www.aquarianage.org/west/planets/ch-nat01.html http://www.astrotherapy.eu/Chiron.htm http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/chiron21.5.html http://www.aquamoonlight.co.uk/chiron.html http://www.martinlass.com/chiron.htm http://www.zanestein.com/chiron_a.htm http://www.pathwaytoascension.com/astrology/lesson6.html
[URL=http://books.google.com/books?id=4rnvfxrc4LwC&pg=PT1&dq=astrology+chiron&lr=lang_en&as_drrb_is=q&as_minm_is=0&as_miny_is=&as_maxm_is=0&as_maxy_is=&as_brr=0&ei=wMfUSoj-HI6MNdHK zYcO#]http://books.google.com/books?id=4rnvfxrc4LwC&pg=PT1&dq=astrology+chiron&lr=lang_en&as_drrb_is=q&as_minm_is=0&as_miny_is=&as_maxm_is=0&as_maxy_is=&as_brr=0&ei=wMfUSoj-HI6MNdH KzYcO#[/URL] v=onepage&q=astrology%20chiron&f=false

go to page 63 in the above book

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posted March 08, 2012 12:49 PM            

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Originally posted by Nyah:
Ami Anne,
I know.. thank you, I will do that! It's just that there are so many of those heavy things going on at the same time, makes me a bit anxious... But no worries! Everything will be ok in the end - and if it's not ok, it's not the end!

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I have been where you are poring over synastry charts!

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posted March 08, 2012 01:13 PM              

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
My venus is almost 8 degrees away--a few seconds short so it would be unaspected by most astrologers I have spoken to about unaspected planets.

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jupiter is parallel your venus only..

basic astrology forum, parallels in declination http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum12/private-jjLYZw161/HTML/000675.html

posted March 08, 2012 01:31 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:

Please don't be rude Saggi MC.

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posted March 08, 2012 01:34 PM            

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Originally posted by Doreen:
Rude is good Ami don't worry about it

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It is not good Doreen. Randall wants us to be an inviting community to people. For new people more than older people, it can be make them feel like they don't want to come back.

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posted March 08, 2012 09:34 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:

Well, I try to repeat this often. One cannot draw a doctrine on one placement. However,one must learn by isolating placements.Hence, there will be people to whom things will not fit. I am glad you were not bullied. You may have Pluto conjunct Dejanira like I do. I was not bullied either. There are protective aspects against bullying. I bet you have one of these. Check your Dejanira and Child asteroids.

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