posted March 08, 2012 12:43 PM            

I usually use Placidus but Koch fits me too.

Equal and Whole sign, I don't relate to.
But they may still be valid, of course.

posted March 08, 2012 12:46 PM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
House systems always confuse me.

I usually use Placidus but Koch fits me too.

Equal and Whole sign, I don't relate to.
But they may still be valid, of course.

Use what fits you best.

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Thank you for the kind reply I think I'll stick to placidus too

posted March 08, 2012 12:50 PM            

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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
If you think logically, you would understand the only one that makes sense is whole house system. Especially when talking about transits.

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posted March 08, 2012 12:58 PM            

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Originally posted by chocogold:
ive read that using equal is good for natals
or for those who were born closer to the north...

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posted March 08, 2012 02:13 PM            

whole i use for sidereal/vedic. but it is the only one that puts pluto in h1 instead of having to read it as in the first.

i think whole is good for figuring out where a planet really is.

i use equal mostly but not a huge diff in mine.

will check out koch..

posted March 08, 2012 02:48 PM            

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Originally posted by Moonfish:
The whole sign system doesn't even try to calculate the measurements w/ the constellations. How is it the only one that makes sense? :/

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The constellations and the zodiac signs are two different things. The tropical zodiac is consistent with the seasons and the summer/winter solstice, the longest/shortest days of the year. http://shamanicastrology.com/archives/92

I use the whole sign system for natal and synastry. Time based systems make sense for time related questions in horary.

posted March 08, 2012 03:15 PM              

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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
Very confused. It has an impact on my Sun and Moon. It changes the House Rulership interpretations. There doesn't seem to be consistency, and I sometimes get the feeling that stuff is changed according to convenience.

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OK there is NO clear cut answer except Dooooo the research, produce charts, see which if any planets move house and see if it fits...

I use Equal house for good reason, my taurus stellium would have moved two full houses from 4th to 2nd which was simply NOT me at all...

How then does an astrologer choose a house system? Well, the individual studying alone is more than likely to use Placidus Houses.
Students who study with a recognised school are usually introduced to all of the house systems, but taught to use one far more than the others. This is usually the Equal House system, which incidentally is also one the oldest one. In this house system, the twelve divisions are very much like spokes of a wheel, equally spaced at 30 degree intervals, with all houses being the same size. This is the easiest of the House systems to use, as it requires no further calculation. Once the Ascendant is known, one simply divides the rest of the chart using the Ascending degree as a starting point - so if the Ascendant is at 22 degrees Leo, this is take as the cusp of the first house, with the second house beginning at 22 degrees Virgo, the third at 22 degrees Libra and so forth.
The Equal House system is conceptually valid within today's astrological standpoint that every individual is free to become what their birth chart symbolises as their ultimate talent. The Ascendant has been shown to correspond to the way the person automatically approaches their environment - the 'persona' in Jungian terms. This person is therefore likely to approach every field of life in a specific way. A person with an Aquarius Ascendant, for example, will approach money-making and material values (2nd house) in a Pisces manner, will learn (3rd house) in an Aries manner, deal with family (4th house) in a Taurus manner and so forth.
The biggest criticism of the Equal House system concerns the position of the MC, which, using this system is more often than not the cusp of the tenth house (or any house) but rather is found within the 9th, 10th or 11th house.
“The MC, being the highest point at birth, symbolises the aims and ambitions one works towards, and, by extension, one's career potential and public image. But these areas are also 10th house matters, devised, because of that house's association with Saturn, to show precisely these areas of life. It is therefore conceptually necessary (so goes the argument) that the MC be the cusp of the 10th house. For this reason, the Equal House system has a limited following outside the UK, although it is still the commonest House system within the UK.” http://www.astrolozy.com/article19.asp http://www.aquamoonlight.co.uk/systems.html
Equal House System:
A simple, yet highly effective system, this was the method that the ancients used before the various unequal houses systems developed. The signs on the cusps then follow in order around t he wheel beginning with the rising sign. There are no intercepted signs in equal houses and therefore each sign is represented on a particular house cusp. The Equal house system does not create very large or small houses that become even more pronounced the higher the northern or southern latitudes used to calculate the chart.

“The Equal House System avoids the problem with the Placidus which results in extremely uneven houses if the native should be born in extreme northern or southern latitudes.
Each sign is fully represented on a house cusp.
Debbie Kempton Smith the author of Secrets from an StarGazer's Notebook recommends either Equal House or Koch (unequal).
Margaret Hone puts forth an excellent argument in favor of Equal House in her book, "Applied Astrology" which is why it is the default for SkyViewZone.
Jeff Mayo and the Faculty for Astrological Studies also favors this house system.” http://www.solsticepoint.com/astrologersmemorial/hone.html http://www.astrolozy.com/article19.asp http://www.aquamoonlight.co.uk/systems.html
http://www.skyviewzone.com/birthinfoforms2/housesexplained.htm http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=Z0nnE2IP7A4C&pg=PA167&dq=astrology+equal+house&as_brr=3&ei=i0iJS-PlGo3mygS89Nn8DQ&cd=2#v=onepage&q=astrology%20equal%20house&f=false

EQUAL HOUSES
“Another of the three most popular house systems is Equal houses which is just what its name implies. All the houses have the same degree on each cusp, and there are no interceptions. Equal house systems are especially useful for people born in the northernmost and southernmost latitudes, and this system is the most popular one in use outside of the United States.” http://www.esotericapublications.com/article-511.html

“Equal house system is the only system that is erected in the plane of the Earths orbit. The zodiac is erected in the plane of the Earths orbit around the Sun which comprises of a 360 degree circle that surrounds the Earth. The mid-heaven is often more, or less than ninety degrees (three signs) from the ascendant, therefore it is not often placed on the tenth house cusp, but marked where it appears in the mid-heaven according to the latitude and longitude of birth. The mid-heaven is taken as an important point; it is the point of self-mastery.” http://marianneohagan.com/house.htm

“The simplest approaches, the equal-house and whole-sign methods, merely require knowledge of the ascendant or ascending sign, and an equal division throughout the rest of the zodiac eliminates the need for any complicated calculations
Yet recent research into classical astrology has created a renewed interest in these simple techniques from a more scholarly perspective. The point of strength is that, regardless of the originating theory behind house division, in practice at least, classical astrologers tended to tie the houses to the signs, apparently concurring with Pelletier, who wrote in defence of the equal house method” http://www.skyscript.co.uk/houprob4.html

Equal House System
“The equal house system calculates the degree of the Ascendant, which is used as the cusp of the first house. Some astrologers do not like this system because it does not equate the 10th house cusp with the Midheaven (which indicates the degree that is highest in the sky above the horizon at the place of birth). However, the Midheaven can certaintly still be noted in this house system as well as any planet forming an aspect to that angle.” http://www.astrolady.com/housesystems.php

posted March 08, 2012 03:45 PM            

For example, my Moon is at 1° Virgo, and in Equal it would fall in my 3rd, but the 4th house cusp is at 3° Virgo, does it mean my Moon is *only* in the 3rd, or can I still consider it to affect the matters of the 4th, too?

Because in Placidus, when a planet is around 5° before a house cusp, it expresses itself in this house, and not only in the house it's technically in.

posted March 08, 2012 06:28 PM            

it is in equal/ placidus i read as if it were in the next house..

posted March 08, 2012 08:11 PM            

I don't mean to offend anyone. But that's what I observe about astrology. The mentality is use whatever fits and what ends up happenning is people make up whatever sh1t they want.

Its like a gathering to two economists. You get three opinions. I'm not going to engage in mental masturbation. It is or it isn't. I don't like hot air blown up my a$$.

No one can give me a straight answer?

posted March 08, 2012 10:22 PM            

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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
Whether I use Placidus or Whole House matters very much because my Sun and Moon move Houses.

I don't mean to offend anyone. But that's what I observe about astrology. The mentality is use whatever fits and what ends up happenning is people make up whatever sh1t they want.

Its like a gathering to two economists. You get three opinions. I'm not going to engage in mental masturbation. It is or it isn't. I don't like hot air blown up my a$$.

No one can give me a straight answer?

"Do the research" means "make up whatever sh1t you want that makes you feel good."

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I completely understand your frustration, I was asking the same question a while back.
But I do agree that you should do your own research on this matter. Only because you will get many different answers depending on what system those people are invested in.

Unfortunately, my chart doesn't change at all no matter what system I use. So I had to use the charts of the people I have known for a long time. Then I looked up the interpretations of every change that occurred from one system to another, look up rulers in houses, cusps, etc. This is a good "at face value" site http://astrolibrary.org/interpretations.html#cusps

I still be read every article and blog/thread I can find on house systems to see what other peoples (subjective) experience has been with them.

posted March 09, 2012 11:15 AM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
So when a planet is almost on a house cusp in Equal/Whole sign, is it only considered to be in the house it's in, or does it still affect the next house?

For example, my Moon is at 1° Virgo, and in Equal it would fall in my 3rd, but the 4th house cusp is at 3° Virgo, does it mean my Moon is *only* in the 3rd, or can I still consider it to affect the matters of the 4th, too?

Because in Placidus, when a planet is around 5° before a house cusp, it expresses itself in this house, and not only in the house it's technically in.

Sorry if this is confusing!

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Great question Doux! I think the planet is counted as in it's house which it stands. If not, it would be super confusing. I think with 12th House, they may have different rules as the 12th House may stand alone.

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posted March 09, 2012 11:45 AM            

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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
Whether I use Placidus or Whole House matters very much because my Sun and Moon move Houses.

I don't mean to offend anyone. But that's what I observe about astrology. The mentality is use whatever fits and what ends up happenning is people make up whatever sh1t they want.

Its like a gathering to two economists. You get three opinions. I'm not going to engage in mental masturbation. It is or it isn't. I don't like hot air blown up my a$$.

No one can give me a straight answer?

"Do the research" means "make up whatever sh1t you want that makes you feel good."

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posted March 09, 2012 06:22 PM            

And these all suit me.

My husband has a bunch of planets in the 9th house any way I draw the chart, and he is extremely interested in religion.

One might say, it's sheer coincidence. But it might also show there is a modicum of reliability in astrology that doesn't budge even when things are tweaked this way and that.