posted March 11, 2012 06:54 AM              

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Vertex and why it’s important in Synastry

I am hoping this thread will not go in the direction of *Read my Vertex* sign, house and aspects as THIS thread was for discussing it’s validity and research in synastry charts…As always use PR forum and post your chart if you want a reading please…

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The Vertex is not a planet. It is an intersection of the ecliptic with the prime vertical (Nadir) in the West. In an astrological Chart, The Vertex always appears in the Western Hemisphere of the chart, usually through Houses 5-8. Because of the location of the Vertex in the West, the nature of the Vertex is about the "relating" principle. The house the Vertex is located in your own birth chart will define the types of relationships you seek or draw into your life and how you utilize the principle of relating in all of your relationships.

When people you meet have planets conjunct your vertex or visa versa you will see something special about them...and you do not usually forget the person. There is an instant connection on some level and for some specific purpose. The nature of the relationship can be intense and have a sense of fatedness. It seems that the vertex attracts important or fated people and events into our lives.

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Here are some of my observations about the Vertex

a) It is a geometrical point, like the nodes, and not a planet, so it is inherently symbolic, and people associate it with the nodes.

b) It can only fall in houses 5-8 so is considered by most to be about relationships as these are the relational houses.

c) It tends to little significance in the natal chart and only seems active in synastry, composites and horary.

From these observations I tend to think of the Vertex as giving a very tiny hint at how the the individual relates to other people- to me it gives that extra bit of strength to the interpretation of the house its in, which coupled with Venus, the 7th house and other planets in the area can be worked into an overal interpretation.

Vertex in aspect in a natal chart only serves to strengthen the planet in question. (With tighter orbs.) But not by much. When seen as a fated point, it must act more like Saturn, as, Draco said, the fate can be seen as limiting to the will or mode of expression (Mars and Sun.) However fate is a very vague concept, and before I get bogged down discussing the natal chart, I find the Vertex more significant in chart comparison. First however, I'll discuss how fate may work in a relationship.

As fate is a vague concept, one can think of it as events that were fixed from the very beginning. However the nature of those events may be infinitely variable. For instance my mother always told me that what we ate was fated from the very beginning, and would aways comment at how a day would end quite randomly with us eating at some rather distant relative or friend's house. That we were to eat there was always fated in her eyes, but the manner in which we ended up there was something she never considered.

I may be fated to meet X as we have the required synastry together, but that does not dictate in what circumstances I meet X, or how I cope with it. If I am fated to be at a certain place at a certain time to see a certain person, it has no bearing on how successful I am when I am there (I may be dressed in rags, I may be dressed in kashmir) and has no bearings on what I may do to X- (how else do relationships end up so badly :P )

Going back to the Vertex- I believe it shows a predisposition to the types of energies when it comes up in synastry to the personal planets of another. Yet this predisposition is a vague one, it is up to the individual to study the energies between him or herself and the partner, to see how the planetary energy manifests. The energy may be unavoidable when the Vertex acts as in a Saturnian manner, but its manifestation may be entirely dependant upon how the two people act. Each planet may be positively expressed blah blah, and some people may find it harder to positively express a planet than others in the natal chart blah.

In my personal experience, I've found strong Vertex aspects to Venus in the first few people I ever liked. Since then however, the Vertex has been less significant in all synastry- so maybe I dealt with my Vertex issues, or was more susceptible to 'fate' when I was younger?

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Vertex
"Those who use the Vertex generally feel it is a point of karmic or fated connection. Some consider it a point of "wish fulfillment". It is perhaps most widely used in synastry. The Vertex is said to be activated at major turning points in our lives, most notably when we meet a significant other or end a significant relationship, and some believe it is triggered when there is a birth or death

It is important to note that when romantic partners have conjunctions between one person's Vertex and the other person's personal planets (and/or going both ways), it doesn't necessarily mean the relationship is a blissful, "happily ever after" one. That is hardly the case. However, it does suggest a powerful connection.” http://www.cafeastrology.com/vertex.html

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When there are transits or progressed aspects to the Vertex, the qualities of the Vertex sign will be emphasized. Under favorable aspects, we are drawn by people (indicated by the House position) to express the aptitudes of the Vertex sign. Under afflictions, we seem to have problems with the Vertex sign energy.

Aries: In cultivating Aries energy, you will be drawn into taking charge in emergencies, taking the initiative and developing fast solutions to crises situations. There will be no time to coordinate efforts. Circumstances in the life will force you to pick up the reins of leadership and react to emergencies as a trouble shooter. You will be commanded to be your own person rather than stay on the sidelines, waiting for someone else to do it or ducking out completely.

Taurus: You will be forced to develop a sense of self-worth and material self-sufficiency, not relying upon others for support and not being obligated to others. You may be drawn into helping others achieve financial security or make value judgments for another. Freedom is found through financial independence. Esoterically, it is associated with the ability to let go, to simplify that which is complicated and to extricate by eliminating indebtedness. This can be for self, as well as others. Speak your truth when necessary and honor your own values and principles. Be willing to stand up for what you believe to be true.

Gemini: You will be drawn to teach, to present your own ideas and to back up the information with facts. Gemini will draw you into a relationship or work activity that will demand that you learn to be flexible and to do more than one thing at a time. Flexibility is often connected with allowing others to change their minds, something that Gemini does quite easily.

You may be forced to debate and prove your views or to relay the messages of others correctly. You may be forced to prove your believability, choosing your words correctly and not relying upon generalities. Such an individual may not like the pressure of facts but this will ultimately build confidence in communication skills. You will learn that in theorizing you give your power away, being at the mercy of others who fight with the facts.

Cancer: In this life, you will be pulled into dealing directly with the public, with the media, with the emotions of others—often this starts with the emotional issues in the family, depending upon the Vertex House position. In dealing with the emotional issues in your relationships with others, you will be drawn into soothing troubled water and nurturing others’ needs. You may also be drawn into dealing with issues connected with women in general. Cancer is the sign of the masses, mass trends and Universal Consciousness. This position can provide and opportunity to assess and spot trends on behalf of the public interest.

The natural tendency with the anti-vertex in Capricorn is to appear authoritative and unemotional. Now you are to learn compassion for the feelings of others. In this lifetime, you cannot let others down. You must get emotionally involved and care!

Leo: In this lifetime, you must learn to get personally involved so that you gain recognition for yourself and not share the glory with the group. You are to learn to be creative and to cultivate Self-Expression and Willpower. The tendency is to fade into a group rather than individualize. Individualization is the task at hand. A personal approach to dealing with people is needed rather than a detached and objective orientation.

Virgo: In this lifetime, the individual will be drawn to provide a service which brings something to a practical, useful order. Since the anti-vertex is in Pisces, the individual already understands and has experienced confusion but now you must learn to bring order out of chaos. Remember, Virgo rules useful service, not servitude. One client has this Vertex in the 7th and she is an accountant, working on the financial chaos of others.

Libra: In this lifetime, the individual will be drawn into learning how to bridge opposing factions, to mediate compromises, to restore fairness and to bring harmony out of conflicting issues in order to re-establish peace and order. Because the anti-vertex is in Aries, the individual must not allow personal desires to influence the situation. The individual must not take sides or impose the personal ego. The need is to detach the self, make no judgments and establish harmony that would benefit the whole rather than any specific individuals.

Scorpio: In this lifetime, the individual will be drawn into dealing with that which is complicated, matted and ensnared. Plutonian issues connected with the abuses of power can be involved, fighting for the rights involved with exploitation issues. The individual maybe drawn to working with the finances of others, assisting them in achieving security and empowerment. I have one client who was compelled to investigate death/dying issues, learning to transform and heal, learning metaphysics in order to help others.

Since Taurus is the anti-vertex, it is too easy to stay in one’s comfort zone, taking the line of least resistence, not jeopardizing personal security and comfort. You must give strength and courage to the concerns of others, overcoming the fears that make you too comfortable with the status quo.

Sagittarius: In this lifetime, you must go beyond the facts in order to see the Big Picture. You may be drawn to give testimony wherein you must draw conclusions from many facts. The Gemini details may look good for now but they do not serve in the long run. The individual must teach at an expanded or philosophical level based upon the accumulated facts—extracting wisdom from what you know. Go beyond the facts to the truth of the matter. Do not get bogged down with superficial, gossipy information. You will be drawn to deal with philosophical, spiritual or moral issues in connection with the Vertex House position.

Capricorn: The individual will be called to develop skills in responsible leadership. It is essential that you learn to accept duties and obligations for a future control. Leadership and organizational ability go hand-in-hand and you must learn patience to cultivate these skills. Do not allow your emotions and fears to interfere with a realistic attitude in administration. It is essential that the individual not allow the needs of home, family or feelings of insecurity to impede in fulfilling your destiny and thereby rise to a position of respect.

Aquarius: First, you must learn tolerance for the differences in others. This would be particularly true if Saturn and Earth-Water signs are strong in the chart. If Uranus and Fire-Air signs are strong, the individual must learn how to coordinate one’s efforts with other independent, task oriented types. Regulating Uranian people is a hard-learned lesson! Since the anti-Vertex is in Leo, the individual must guard against allowing one’s strong subjective and “MY WAY” opinions to interfere with cooperation. The lesson is to be detached and impersonal.

Any prejudices will come back to haunt you in this lifetime. Learn to be a good friend, to be a part of group effort rather than trying to shine on one’s own. When tolerance is not an issue for the individual, I find that there is some difficulty working with group energy. One client felt that she needed to learn to function and protect herself while working within groups.

Pisces: In this lifetime, the individual is to cultivate sensitivity for the intangibles rather emphasizing the pragmatic, the materialistic and the fine points fo detail. The individual will go through experiences that bring out compassion, the ability to listen with empathy to the concerns of others, and experiences that will make for greater sensitivity to the suffering of others. Another lesson is to let go of criticism. With the anti-Vertex in Virgo, it is easy to zero in on the details, the flaws and imperfections, losing sight of the whole. Learn to go with the flow. Do not judge by rules but rather by instinct and compassion. http://www.lynnkoiner.com/astrology-articles/the-vertex-in-the-natal-chart

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posted March 11, 2012 06:59 AM            

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posted March 11, 2012 06:59 AM            

I have recently seen how powerful is the Vertex point. It shows up on all natal charts. If a person’s planet hits your Vertex, the person will BRING you what that planet represents. ( It would be true for an asteroid, too.) For example, if someones Neptune hit your Vertex, that person would bring you spirituality. If someone’s Venus hit your Vertex, that person would bring you love. If someone’s Chiron hit your Vertex, that person would bring you pain. If someone’s Nessus hit your Vertex, that person may bring you abuse.

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posted March 11, 2012 12:51 PM            

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If someone’s Chiron hit your Vertex, that person would bring you pain.

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Ami, you don't bring me pain although my Vertex (4 Aqua) is exactly conj. your Chiron (what I read in the thread before this one) .. only and this is the time to admit how deeply I've always admired your *humanity* .. do I have to say more?

It's striking how there has always been some significant vertex connection in my most profound love relationships ..
- asc./desc. axis on my vertex/anti-vertex axis
- mars/merc. conjunct my vertex
(2 different cases)

and interesting enough .. if there's seemingly NOT a close conjunction then it's a planet that's the solstice point of my vertex at 24/25/26 Scorpio (my Jupiter/IC is there).

posted March 11, 2012 03:04 PM            

I deeply feel that everyone that comes into my life is fate,that its all pre-destined.. Each relationship serves a specific purpose even if its short term.. Even people I met on the streets and talk to for 5 mins and never see again... For what ever reason these meetings are fated..

In Synastry
My ex husbands anti vertex conjunct my Vertex, and then his vertex conjunct my anti vertex.
I had it was meant to be feeling.. But I didnt deeply feel the fated feeling.
It was more, yeah it happen for a reason, then dismissed..

posted March 11, 2012 03:56 PM              

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Originally posted by Moonfish:
I've always wondered do trines and sextiles even count when it comes to Vertex aspects?

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go to Basic forum and read the rest, there are LOTS of aspects to and from vertex..

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posted March 11, 2012 03:59 PM              

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Originally posted by Moonfish:
I've always wondered do trines and sextiles even count when it comes to Vertex aspects?

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YES, basically. Let's not forget the Angles Asc/MC are also important factors

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Originally posted by scrappydog:
what orb should be used in syanstry for a conjunction?

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ALL orbs for synastry are MAX 3'

posted March 11, 2012 04:01 PM            

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Originally posted by SaggiMC:
ALL orbs for synastry are MAX 3'

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posted March 11, 2012 06:31 PM            

Yeah, I have noticed that the Vertex is extremely powerful… when transits and synastry touch your Vertex, the people and events associated with this have a way of standing out in your mind as being significant, or meaningful in some they…. They make you reconsider things, and often lead to important changes in your life…. Like there was a message especially for you inherent in your experience with the Vertex event or person… In romantic relationships Vertex synastry can point to very intense infatuations, where the person aspecting your Vertex feels like they were ’fated’ to be in your life. Often romantic interests aspecting your Vertex have qualities that you have longed for, or dreamed about acquiring in a mate… or they may even open your eyes to things that you needed, that you weren’t even aware of yet on a conscious level until you met them.

The Vertex also has a sort of teacher/student vibe to it in synastry as well… people who aspect your Vertex often become examples in your mind of what you do, or in some cases don’t, want for you own self in life… Along with this, synastry and transits aspecting your Vertex have a ‘helper’ quality to them…. As in they have a way of putting you in touch with circumstances, information, people and issues that you need to explore in order to move forward, get what you needed, or make important decisions… the Vertex opens the door to important transformations and advancements in your life.,.. And they often have a kind of synchronistic ’crazy coincidence’ type of vibe to them, as if destiny is at work…

However, it’s also true that the Vertex can not guarantee any kind of happily ever after….although usually at the end of a Vertex transit, or a relationship with Vertex synastry, we are able to look back and see that we got some type of important lesson or advancement out of it…. Even if when we were in the thick or it all we weren’t able to recognize it clearly for what it really was…. Sometimes the Vertex can be a little tricky like this… although, admittedly the Vertex can be terribly exciting and engrossing when something… synastry or a transit…. Sets it off!

Actually, for some reason I kept getting that song from the 80’s movie ‘Dirty Dancing’ in my head while typing this, and actually it seems appropriate to the theme of the Vertex…

You know…

I’ve had the time of my life
I’ve never felt this way before
Yes, I swear it’s the truth
And I owe it all to you!

Totally reminds me of Vertex synastry.

About Vertex aspects… I’ve actually experienced that ALL aspects to the Vertex have some kind of effect…. Only the soft ones are kind of a gentle flow in terms of events and relationships, and the hard ones are where you're forced to confront something and they can be kind of melodramatic… the conjunction and the opposition to the Vertex are the most powerful… as the person, or transit, that opposes or conjuncts your Vertex can feel like an exact ‘hit’ on issues that are personally significant to you… these are the ‘Wow’ aspects… also, don’t forget semisquares and sesquiquadrates to the Vertex axis…. These so-called ’minor’ aspects tend to represent little details, and trivial incidents in our lives… and when the Vertex axis receives one of these type of aspects by transit or synastry, this tends to result in a lot of little coincidences that bring you into contact with what you need, influence your decisions, or make you feel as if you are on track with destiny…

In synastry, whatever planet is aspecting your Vertex from the other person’s natal chart will be the part of their psyche which has the most profound influence on you… at least in a Vertex "this feels meaningful and fated" kind of way…(because, of course, there are many ways in synastry for a relationship to feel important for us). Look out for things like the angles of another’s chart interacting with your Vertex Axis as these can be significant as well. And when your chart aspects someone else’s Vertex, keep in mind the you may be the embodiment of something very important for that person. They may find you intensely interesting, and may feel that their association with you is helping them to learn something, or ‘get somewhere’ on their journey so to speak. And if the connection is a romantic one… perhaps your presence in their life has helped them realize some type of long cherished romantic ideal, and you may posses qualities they’ve always wanted in a in a lover…

With transits… a transit to the Vertex may or may not result in a significant event… however when a significant turning point does occur in our lives…. More often then not, at the time the Vertex was active in transits or progressions. The Vertex inclines but it does not guarantee…

As for my own chart my Vertex is at 15 Taurus…. And my natal Uranus is at 15 Scorpio, which is the ruler of my Aquarian 3rd house cusp…. The Vertex to me is really one of my favorite points in astrology… and perhaps one of the reasons why I’m so passionately fascinated with astrology in the first place is because Uranus (which is said to ‘rule’ astrology) is opposed to my Vertex…. And yes I’ve found that people with planets in mid Scorpio and Taurus have a powerful influence on me one way or other, depending on many factors… they are definitely intriguing folks for me that’s for sure…

Interestingly, in my chart Venus is opposite Jupiter (Venus is at 29 Sag and Jupiter is at 00 Cancer), and this opposition is semisquare and sesquitquadrate my Uranus/Vertex opposition…. People with planets in very late Sag and Very early Cap, as well as in very late Gemini and Very early Cancer, also tend to have an exciting Vertex-like effect on me as well…

Here’s a link to a previous thread on the Vertex where I went into more detail on the topic, and also put in some of my personal experiences throughout a handful of posts. I think some of the info in this thread may really help with interpreting the Vertex, and many of the other posters had some interesting things to contribute on this thread as well…
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/211748-2.html

posted March 11, 2012 07:00 PM              

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Originally posted by ariesdragon:
Saggimc
What does vertex opposite Uranus mean
Thank u

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posted March 11, 2012 07:03 PM            

Do you know the significance of composite vertex conjunct the composite Desc.?

posted March 11, 2012 07:07 PM            

Surprised to see you're still awake!

posted March 11, 2012 07:41 PM            

I wrote about my experience re: my natal Sun square chiron on the other thread http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/212624.html

Hope you get a chance to read it. Let me know what you think as it contradicts your info on this aspect.

posted March 11, 2012 08:22 PM              

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Originally posted by Linda Jones:
BTW SaggiMC,

I wrote about my experience re: my natal Sun square chiron on the other thread http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/212624.html

Hope you get a chance to read it. Let me know what you think as it contradicts your info on this aspect.

Thanks.

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posted March 11, 2012 08:25 PM              

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Originally posted by Linda Jones:
Hi SaggiMC and Lotis White,

Do you know the significance of composite vertex conjunct the composite Desc.?

Thank you.

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posted March 11, 2012 08:25 PM            

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Originally posted by SaggiMC:
I followed the link you posted and you have NOT made a comment on that thread .... confused?

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posted March 12, 2012 07:47 AM              

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Originally posted by Lava Flower:
I wonder what Black Moon Lilith conjunct vertex in synastry may mean. Does anyone have any info on BML (h13)?

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posted March 12, 2012 07:49 AM              

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Originally posted by scrappydog:
I have a venus-vertex dw in a brandnew relationship. My venus conj his vertex 2 deg and his venus square my vertex 0 deg. We both have the "fated" feeling going on and its only been 2 weeks. I'm Really curious to see how this is going to be played out.

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