posted March 15, 2012 02:40 PM            

Is someone born mentally ill? What a topic? What a subject? Yet, it bears asking. Environmental factors are not enough to determine mental illness in every case. Sometimes it is. However, one must go to the charts to see the map of a person. Thankfully, God provided the charts. To me, only a God of Divine Love would have given us such a road map of ourselves. I will be shunned by 95% of the Christian community for my stance on Astrology but I don’t care. I know I am right.

Back to mental illness. I have a person in mind. She has an exact cazimi of the Sun conjunct Mercury. It is an exact conjunction. The cazimi allows for up to 5 degrees. The person I have in mind has it exact in the sign of Aquarius. What would an exact cazimi do? It makes one unable to get out of one’s own way. It produces a situation in which one is too close to oneself. Picture how it feels when you step back from a situation. The person with the cazimi cannot do that. Everything that happens to his ego happens to all of him.It is a sad state of affairs. The cazimi would be one predisposing factor, perhaps. However, if one was born with a strong disposition to mental illness, there would need to be a plethora of factors. One’s mind is Mercury. One’s Mercury will show the strengths of one’s mind. One’s Mercury will show the stresses to the mind. The astrologer must look with a fine toothed comb at Mercury. Neptune is the planet of deception and distortion.One must look at Neptune in the same way as one looks at Mercury. Uranus is the planet of “out of the box” creativity.Uranus can produce intellectual brilliance.It can, also, lead to mental or emotional instability. Uranus is the planet of electricity. Electricity was a great boost for mankind but it has the power to kill . Uranus is a wild card in the same way. A classic aspect for mental instability is Uranus square Mercury. The square is the most locked up aspect of all. It is very hard, if not impossible to extricate oneself from a square. The best one could do is build up other aspects so as to compensate. For example, one may build up one’s outlets for emotions such as having a good sense of humor. It is a fixed energy. The opposition of Mercury and Uranus is easier as one may go from pole to pole in a kind of balance. The conjunction may be the hardest with two planets that have an inherent intensity. In the case of Mercury and Uranus, the conjunction is hard. However, it is an aspect of genius as well. Uranus conjunct Mercury is the planet of the mind melded to the planet of creative genius. It can go either way, it seems to me. Then, we come to the subject of Jupiter. Jupiter is conscience. If one were mentally ill with little conscience, what would one have? Someone who could hurt others with little to no feeling. What if we had mental illness aspects and a strong Jupiter.One may be mentally ill with a strong conscience. I think Jupiter is a tremendously important factor when looking at a chart in terms of conscience or lack of it. I believe people can be born mentally ill. I know it is a controversial stance. At the same time, it is truly unknowable. My heart goes out to anyone effected by mental illness in themselves or a loved one.

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posted March 15, 2012 02:49 PM            

Do you get paid to start threads on this board or something? I sure hope you are, because you seem to start a majority of them and your post count is through the roof! Talk about "insane."

posted March 15, 2012 02:51 PM            

I was thinking of my sister when I clicked on this. Sure enough, your description fits her eerily well: both the aspects and her condition.

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It makes one unable to get out of one’s own way. It produces a situation in which one is too close to oneself. Picture how it feels when you step back from a situation. The person with the cazimi cannot do that.

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Exactly.

I don't know her birth time but she definitely is a Cancer sun with a Cancer moon (could be a cazimi) and her Mercury is only 3 degrees from her sun.

The stellium squares her Saturn in Aries.

She's extremely creative and brilliant in some ways, but she is bipolar with a long history of mental illness.

Edit: Making matters worse (?) her Neptune is trine her Cancer stellium.

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posted March 15, 2012 02:53 PM            

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Originally posted by hippichick:
My daughter has Sun, 14 deg, Moon 15 deg and Mercury 8 deg all in Aqua, in the 8th.

phew..did she miss it by a degree?

I have often wondered if, while on the heart lung machine during open heart surgery at 3yrs old, if something happened to her brain?

Shs is super smart, but lacks drive. She has big anger issues and projects them onto me.

This is going to sound terrible, but had we not been in this century, she would not have lived.....I often wonder if she was supposed to?

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It is OK to ask those honest things Hippi. Keeping those things inside does no one any good.I am glad you felt safe enough to share it. Ignore all trolls

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posted March 15, 2012 02:54 PM            

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Originally posted by Capriquarius:
Pretty rude topic, so I'll give you a response that might prompt your "ignoring."

Do you get paid to start threads on this board or something? I sure hope you are, because you seem to start a majority of them and your post count is through the roof! Talk about "insane."

You seem obsessed with mental illness. Maybe you should find a healthy outlet for it by working towards a degree in psychology rather than trolling.

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Project much?

posted March 15, 2012 02:55 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Thanks Ami, I had to look up cazimi
http://www.auxmaillesgodefroy.com/cazimi_planets

I was thinking of my sister when I clicked on this. Sure enough, your description fits her eerily well: both the aspects and her condition.

Exactly.

I don't know her birth time but she definitely is a Cancer sun with a Cancer moon (could be a cazimi) and her Mercury is only 3 degrees from her sun.

The stellium squares her Saturn in Aries.

She's extremely creative and brilliant in some ways, but she is bipolar with a long history of mental illness.

Edit: Making matters worse (?) her Neptune is trine her Cancer stellium.

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Right Faith. That is why I asked as the person in mind did not have terrible abuse but has mental illness.

She has an exact cazimi in Aqua of the Sun and mercury. With the cazimi, the closeness of the orb matters a great deal.

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posted March 15, 2012 02:57 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Project much?

Leave Ami Anne alone. Most of us appreciate her.

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Thanks, Faith!

posted March 15, 2012 02:58 PM            

BTW you are probably talking about a conjunction to Sun, but CAZIMI really is only the conjunction with an orb of up to 00°17 and the planet is traditionally considered to be strengthened and fortified by being "in the heart of the sun".

Conjunctions of a planet to the Sun,t hat exceed these 17 minutes of arc are called "combust", and it is said that the planet is burned by the Sun.

posted March 15, 2012 03:01 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Could you please define "mental ill"?
Are you talking about sociopathic / psychopathic tendencies or about inborn mental "illness" like the Down syndrome for example. (I put "illness" into quotation marks, because it is strictly speaking not an illness).

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I don't mean an organic condition like Downs. I mean a condition like NPD(narcissim), BPD, bipolar or else just really struggling with your emotions and not diagnosed with any illness. That could be included too such as very low self esteem and an impaired image of oneself. That is what I mean by my usage of the term.

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posted March 15, 2012 03:04 PM            

My brother was also hospitalized for mental illness at one time. He's fine now, unlike my sister who gets worse and worse.

I just looked this up and my brother DOES have a cazimi with the sun and Mercury in Aquarius.

So much for rudeness...I think you might just be *right.* There was no abuse in my family, and there are six children. Only these two had mental illness.

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posted March 15, 2012 03:07 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Part of what got me thinking of it was the difference between my aunt and my mother. My Aunt has Pluto conj the Sun in cancer. She has a lot of confidence. My mother has the cazimi which is exact. That exact cazimi is a big factor in my mother's issue, I think.

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Is your mother still alive? How is she?

posted March 15, 2012 03:11 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Is your mother still alive? How is she?

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Yes she is. She is a therapist. I have not spoken to her for many months now as I try to separate myself, emotionally, from her. I have Echo conj Saturn which makes it hard to have your own identity. What touches Saturn is what makes you struggle.

Do you have anything touching Saturn, Faith? Have you done your asteroids?

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posted March 15, 2012 03:13 PM            

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Originally posted by hippichick:
My daughter has Sun, 14 deg, Moon 15 deg and Mercury 8 deg all in Aqua, in the 8th.

phew..did she miss it by a degree?

I have often wondered if, while on the heart lung machine during open heart surgery at 3yrs old, if something happened to her brain?

Shs is super smart, but lacks drive. She has big anger issues and projects them onto me. I have had so many problems with her, lots steming from substance abuse.

This is going to sound terrible, but had we not been in this century, she would not have lived.....I often wonder if she was supposed to?

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So sad. I hope she gets better!

posted March 15, 2012 03:13 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
You're welcome, Ami Anne.

My brother was also hospitalized for mental illness at one time. He's fine now, unlike my sister who gets worse and worse.

I just looked this up and my brother DOES have a cazimi with the sun and Mercury in Aquarius.

So much for rudeness...I think you might just be *right.* There was no abuse in my family, and there are six children. Only these two had mental illness.

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WOW--the cazimi in Aqua! That is amazing. I am glad I did this thread even if I had to deal with that rudeness

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posted March 15, 2012 03:16 PM            

Check your brothers Jupiter too, Faith. My mother has a hard Jupiter. Jupiter blunts the conscience and empathy. This makes it hard to learn in life as you cannot pick up cues and signals from the environment imo

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posted March 15, 2012 03:18 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Yes she is. She is a therapist. I have not spoken to her for many months now as I try to separate myself, emotionally, from her. I have Echo conj Saturn which makes it hard to have your own identity. What touches Saturn is what makes you struggle.

Do you have anything touching Saturn, Faith? Have you done your asteroids?

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Hi Ami,

I'm glad to hear your mother is functional, though it's surprising to hear she is a therapist.

I keep my distance from my sister for my own sake as well. She doesn't want contact with me either, I don't think. Mainly I need to keep tabs on her and make sure she isn't homeless or hurting anyone. She lives on the other side of the country.

I'm a Cap sun, singleton. Nothing touches my Saturn too closely...maybe that's a good thing I already have enough Saturn.

I'm just getting started on the asteroids...anything special I should look for?

posted March 15, 2012 03:19 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Thanks for clarifying this for me.

Oh and to assess anything having to with the mind, I would also check the ruler of 3rd house along with mercury.

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posted March 15, 2012 03:20 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:

WOW--the cazimi in Aqua! That is amazing. I am glad I did this thread even if I had to deal with that rudeness

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I'm glad you did, too!!! THIS IS WHY I AM INTO ASTROLOGY.

I AM LOOKING FOR ANSWERS.

So THANK YOU.

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posted March 15, 2012 03:21 PM            

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