posted March 23, 2012 08:05 AM            

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Originally posted by Fondue Knight:
Roles: Scorpio Saturn-11th, Cancer Mars-7th

Rituals: Virgo Moon-9th, Taurus Venus-5th

How interesting... My roles are all watery and my rituals are all earthy. I must have muddy sex.

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Just noticed my watery roles are all in air houses and my earthy rituals are in fire houses... I'm so well balanced o_O

posted March 23, 2012 08:46 PM            

I like this thread. Very intriguing.

Role:
Leo Mars 9th
Scorpio Saturn 12th

Rituals:
Virgo Venus Rx 9th
Aries Moon 5th

posted March 23, 2012 09:14 PM            

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Originally posted by Xiiro:
LOL

"The best warriors
do not use violence.
The best generals
do not destroy indiscriminately.
The best tacticians
try to avoid confrontation.
The best leaders
become servants of their people.

This is called the virtue of non-competition.
This is called the power to manage others.
This is called attaining harmony with the heavens. " - Tao Te Ching

"The one who bows and the one who is bowed to
are both, by nature, empty.
Therefor the communication between us
is inexpressibly perfect..." - Prajnaparamita

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Xiiro,

posted March 24, 2012 01:15 AM            

Rituals
Moon: Virgo / 2nd house
Venus: Aries / 9th house

I know that I *need* clean cotton sheets and privacy (virgo)... or else no honey.

posted March 24, 2012 02:05 AM            

My sexual role is probably the "fantasy"
I'm extremely versatile when it comes to sex, the greatest satisfaction for me is the other person wanting more. Plus I'll try just about anything once. People who have fetishes fascinate me so much and I think its so much fun to play out. I always ask partners about their sexual fantasies, and if its possible we try and do them.

I think this is mainly influenced by mar square neptune
Pluto in the 5th house helps to add creative energies in love making.

posted March 25, 2012 08:07 PM            

rituals:
moon in virgo in 7, venus in pisces 1.

posted March 28, 2012 03:29 AM            

Sorry for the delay, a few things arose in my life over the past week and this thread fell to the lower levels of my priority list. I was thinking about this thread recently though and it occurred to me, instead of handing out fish, maybe fishing poles would make the topic a bit more exciting.

There is no magic to how I am coming up with these Role and Ritual combinations. The way I first learned how to interpret astrology, was to form sentences with the traits of the planets, signs, and houses involved. In the beginning it resulted in some pretty basic answers, but as I meditated deeper on the astrological energies as they manifested in my self and those around me, results became more complex. Playing with these energies feels a lot like chemistry/alchemy to me.

In these particular cases, the Role is a combination of Mars/Saturn and the Ritual is a combination of Moon/Venus.

The sentence for Role is: "I really want to (MARS) through (house), but I must act withinin the confines of (SATURN) through (house) in order to achieve that want".

If a person had Gemini Mars 6th / Sagittarius Saturn 12th, the sentence would read something like - "I really want to (communicate) through (service and nourishment), but I must act within the confines of (freedom fixation and spiritual law) through (internal solitude), in order to achieve that want".

The sentence for Ritual is: "I really appreciate (VENUS) in (house), but in order for me to accept someone into my comfort zone, they must (MOON) in (house)".

If a person had Aquarius Moon 8th / Capricorn Venus 7th, the sentence would read something like - "I really appreciate (the unconventional) in (how people leave lasting impressions on each other), but in order for me to accept someone into my comfort zone, they must (be resourceful) in (their relationships)".

Again, the beginning results are basic, and I suggest trading out adjectives for the planets/signs/houses, until you get a sentence which makes sense. Eventually you can learn to replace the adjectives with the feeling of the planets/signs/houses. You can then feel their capacities for enhancing or occluding each other and build more complex sentences. Remember, Roles are viewed in the light of how the chart owner desires to interact and Rituals are viewed in the light of how the chart owner desires to be acted upon.

Another good idea is to form the sentence as if you were forming it for someone else. If you come up with a sentence which doesn't seem to apply to you, sit with it for a minute and look objectively for results of that sentence in your life. If it still doesn't fit, go back to mixing adjectives. Having Sun Conjunct Neptune, I find an adverse reaction to a certain sentence is often an indicator of something I am not particularly eager to see in my self.

Feel free to post your sentences and your impressions of them. I would love to see what you all come up with. I would also love to see people elaborate beyond the adjectives if they feel inspired.

=)

posted March 28, 2012 04:21 AM            

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Originally posted by Lonake:
I have Mars/Saturn & Moon/Venus both conj so mine would just be repeats ~ I like all the others tho, Xiiro

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It should still be effective, even in a stellium of all four planets, because the planet and house will add direction and condition to the sign.

Example for Cancer Mars 3rd, Cancer Saturn 4th, Cancer Moon 4th, Cancer Venus 3rd:

Role: "I really want to (nurture) through (close interaction), but I must act within the confines of (nurturing) through (my personal and historical foundations) in order to achieve that want". This type of person would desire to nurture their close friends and family (or those who remind them close friends/family), but may only be able to nurture based on how their friends/family have personally effected them. This native may really see their self as a nurturer, but is more likely to nurture people based on past interactions with people their partners or friends may "represent" (e.g. This person may treat a lover like a father figure, if he/she reminds them of their father).

Ritual: "I really appreciate (nurturing) through (close interaction), but in order for me to accept someone into my comfort zone, they must (nurture) my (personal and historical foundations)". This type of person also seeks others who value a nurturing relationship with close friends and family (or people who remind thir partner of close friends/family), but may only be able to open up to people who help reinforce the native's personal foundations. This person is looking for a teammate, someone who will love the same people for the same reason and hate the same people for the same reason. It is possible that insensitivity or inability to understand how the native has been effected by a particular person, could result in the native feeling personally misunderstood by their partner. Additionally, this person will prefer to become vulnerable in the presence of people who understand how the native has been effected by their past experiences. They seek out people who help them relive whichever experiences are equated to "comfort" (these could be both negative or positive experiences).

posted March 28, 2012 04:41 AM            

Mars/Saturn Libra 3
Role: I really want to (make an alliance) through (communicating), but I must act within the confines of (partnering with another) through (close interaction) in order to achieve that want.

Moon/Venus Cap 6
Ritual: I really appreciate (sincerity) through (service and nourishment), but in order for me to accept someone into my comfort zone, they must (be responsible) in their (daily life and habits).

posted March 28, 2012 05:03 AM            

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Originally posted by Lonake:
OK they're both conj but not all in same sign.

Mars/Saturn Libra 3
Role: I really want to (make an alliance) through (communicating), but I must act within the confines of (partnering with another) through (close interaction) in order to achieve that want.

Moon/Venus Cap 6
Ritual: I really appreciate (sincerity) through (service and nourishment), but in order for me to accept someone into my comfort zone, they must (be responsible) in their (daily life and habits).

How did I do
All I know is that the Mars/Saturn H3 I have a v.firm mind (some call it critical, esp when you add in my H6) on who I want to partner with and the type of person I will accept into my life. I'm kinda strict but I don't ask for anymore than I am willing to give. And I'm pretty straightforward. And I don't go for anyone that is remotely flashy/needy/attention seeking. But vulnerability is good.

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I think you were splendid!

In your Role, would you say you strive to make your partner feel very included and in some ways may find your self being a mirror for them. In the comfort of the bond you create, your partner opens up and you become a "representation" of everything they seem to want/need?

posted March 28, 2012 05:40 AM            

"In your Role, would you say you strive to make your partner feel very included and in some ways may find your self being a mirror for them."
--Hahaaa (!) You're talking to a Pisces Sun sq Uranus in Sadge w.Uranus/Neptune in the 5th. So there are a lot of mirrors going on there. There's a whole fun house of mirrors, I'm lucky if they ever get a good impression of me. OK I have to think on this one..
Yes I do like us to be of the same mind, v.important (tho I think that's prob true for most if not all?) but I also have H3 ruler Mercury conj DSC. I don't want to mix things up here astro-wise. Very included, yes, like we're buddies, like their worries and concerns are safe w.me. But I do that in general w.people I like, I facilitate the conversation between people, keep it moving when they get awkward, throw in a joke or what have you because I can sense their vulnerabilities and I want them to feel safe to open up and *be themselves.*

"In the comfort of the bond you create, your partner opens up and you become a "representation" of everything they seem to want/need?"
--I don't feel that I change myself to suit them, I feel that I have different sides so I can relate to different people. If the bond is there then I will call upon the best suited part of myself to deepen the bond. I feel that they often cast me in a role and expect me to play it out for them, on sight. And that can be overwhelming but if I feel a connection then I just 'ignore' the role they cast me in and focus on creating some kind of protected space around us.

"Would you relate to the idea that you like a partner who is also straightforward, who lays their cards on the table? Honesty is a prerequisite to attraction, but you are hooked by someone who is attentive and capable of responding to whatever situations arise."
-- A Must-Have (!) Yes, a prerequisite, backed up by H7 ruler Uranus in Sagittarius sextile Merc H3 ruler. Yes, attentiveness is hot

"This means you may best connect with someone who knows how to read your nuances and who (more importantly) understands the gravity behind them. Someone who knows the difference between the angry raised eyebrow, and the humorous raised eyebrow?"
--Now this is spooky how did you know about my eyebrows (!) Is that a Capricorn thing? OK the one complication to this is that Moon/Venus are sq to Pluto conj IC. So the whole 'bonding thing' goes a lot deeper, and I am obsessed basically with creating a protected space around me + my partner where no worries or concerns are allowed to bother us. I can't do this for myself when I'm alone. I mean yes I like to pamper myself, but when I'm in a relationship then I feel soothed by soothing my partner. Then my anxieties sort of float away, and I think of myself as some type of healing balm. Is that weird, or is that completely H6? Lol learn something new every day.

posted March 28, 2012 07:08 AM            

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Originally posted by Lonake:
--I don't feel that I change myself to suit them, I feel that I have different sides so I can relate to different people. If the bond is there then I will call upon the best suited part of myself to deepen the bond. I feel that they often cast me in a role and expect me to play it out for them, on sight. And that can be overwhelming but if I feel a connection then I just 'ignore' the role they cast me in and focus on creating some kind of protected space around us.
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This is a very Libran quality, and I like how your Neptune-y energies plays with it. In the strict sense of Libra, there is a different outfit and makeup technique for every occasion. Like a Geisha, Libra is walking art and as an Air sign, they use images to express ideas. Neptune also shapeshifts, but the mechanism is different. Libra takes in information and weighs/changes perspective/refines repeatedly, until that information best relates with the situation. Just like its predecessor Virgo, Libra is focused on refinement to the point of perfectionism. But where Virgo stops at "that seems perfect for the perceived situation", Libra jumps to the other side and says, "but what if I look at things from over here?". Because of this, Libra can put on an external "character" for interacting in different situations and from all angles. This can happen because Libra's capacity for being "someone" is not restricted to being one person, self is a subject instead of an object. The Libra is always being his self, he just seeks to be the perfect self for each occasion (which involves some cutting and gluing).

When Neptune and Libra play together in someone's chart, there is an option for the Piscean desire to "convey understanding and depth of connection", to manifest through chamilion-ing their energy. It feels a bit like an energetic skeleton key, which discovers a person's contours and shapes it's self into the perfect puzzle piece. People who have difficulty understanding Pisces, may become very confused when they discover, the shape shifting was a service provided out of love. The appropriate response to such a gift is to explore what exist behind the image and love it unconditionally.

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Originally posted by Lonake:
--Now this is spooky how did you know about my eyebrows (!) Is that a Capricorn thing? OK the one complication to this is that Moon/Venus are sq to Pluto conj IC. So the whole 'bonding thing' goes a lot deeper, and I am obsessed basically with creating a protected space around me + my partner where no worries or concerns are allowed to bother us. I can't do this for myself when I'm alone. I mean yes I like to pamper myself, but when I'm in a relationship then I feel soothed by soothing my partner. Then my anxieties sort of float away, and I think of myself as some type of healing balm. Is that weird, or is that completely H6? Lol learn something new every day.
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posted March 29, 2012 02:54 AM            

I am largely inexperienced when it comes to sexual relations (although I wish it weren't that way). The biggest reason is I have never had anything long term with anyone, and I feel that is paramount for me to figure out where I am and how I function sexually. I very much want to have something long term, but I haven't found the right person for it yet. I'm only 22 though so I have a lot of time to figure this out. I feel like if I wasn't a gay man it would be easier to find someone, bit either way I digress.

Roles: Saturn capricion 3rd / Mars cancer 9th.

Turns out, my saturn and mars form an exact opposition to each other. Which explains why I have no idea what roll I want to play, or should play. I want sexual relations to be very deep, powerful, and transformative in many ways. I want it to be highly mental and cerebral, but at the same time without words and to be completely intuitive and seamless. In a sense my ideals for it are too high and I have to learn to bring them down to earth. I want to play the leader, but I also want to be the follower. It's very difficult for me to determine what roll I should play and want to play. As such, I have learned that the only way I am going to figure it out is to actually DO it. I just need to find a partner first. Easier said then done. In this realm I truly am very confused.

Rituals: Moon scorpio 2nd / Venus gemini 8th.

my moon and venus do not aspect. As far as rituals, that's not hard for me to see in my minds eye. I want sex to be raw, physical, extremely deep, and in some ways dangerous. My ultimate sexual fantasy is to have sex with my long term partner in the woods, as we take hallucinogenic drugs and completely lose our minds together, where reality comes apart at it's very seams and we are completely lost, confused, and helpless. Eventually we come back down to earth and regain our senses. Then to cuddle and simply embrace each other in a gentle, loving way. In my minds eye sex is no simple toy, it's the zenith of the ultimate connection with someone. I want there to be depth, absolute power, and huge intensity. I'm still a virgin though so I wonder if I am just being too idealistic again.

Anyway that's how I see myself, and it seems like I fit the patterns based on what I have seen others explain about themselves with their placements.

posted March 29, 2012 03:02 AM              

aquarius saturn in 11th house mars sagittarius in 9th house

posted March 29, 2012 03:34 AM            

Roles // Leo Mars H12 + Pisces Saturn H7

I really want to actively have fun and to covertly, playfully dominate through personal dissociation and intrapersonal understanding. Alas, I must act within the confines of blurred boundaries and limits through intimate relating in order to achieve what I want.

Rituals // Scorpio Venus H3 + Capricorn Moon H5

I really appreciate control and self-change in communication and sensations, but in order for me to accept someone into my comfort zone, they must detachedly understand to ease insecurities and help construct in spheres of creativity and physical affection.

posted March 29, 2012 04:34 AM            

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Originally posted by tautomer4314:
I just need to find a partner first. Easier said then done. In this realm I truly am very confused.

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posted March 29, 2012 06:12 AM            

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Originally posted by tautomer4314:
xiiro, I most certainly think you are really onto something with this.

I am largely inexperienced when it comes to sexual relations (although I wish it weren't that way). The biggest reason is I have never had anything long term with anyone, and I feel that is paramount for me to figure out where I am and how I function sexually. I very much want to have something long term, but I haven't found the right person for it yet. I'm only 22 though so I have a lot of time to figure this out. I feel like if I wasn't a gay man it would be easier to find someone, bit either way I digress.

Roles: Saturn capricion 3rd / Mars cancer 9th.

Turns out, my saturn and mars form an exact opposition to each other. Which explains why I have no idea what roll I want to play, or should play. I want sexual relations to be very deep, powerful, and transformative in many ways. I want it to be highly mental and cerebral, but at the same time without words and to be completely intuitive and seamless. In a sense my ideals for it are too high and I have to learn to bring them down to earth. I want to play the leader, but I also want to be the follower. It's very difficult for me to determine what roll I should play and want to play. As such, I have learned that the only way I am going to figure it out is to actually DO it. I just need to find a partner first. Easier said then done. In this realm I truly am very confused.

Rituals: Moon scorpio 2nd / Venus gemini 8th.

my moon and venus do not aspect. As far as rituals, that's not hard for me to see in my minds eye. I want sex to be raw, physical, extremely deep, and in some ways dangerous. My ultimate sexual fantasy is to have sex with my long term partner in the woods, as we take hallucinogenic drugs and completely lose our minds together, where reality comes apart at it's very seams and we are completely lost, confused, and helpless. Eventually we come back down to earth and regain our senses. Then to cuddle and simply embrace each other in a gentle, loving way. In my minds eye sex is no simple toy, it's the zenith of the ultimate connection with someone. I want there to be depth, absolute power, and huge intensity. I'm still a virgin though so I wonder if I am just being too idealistic again.

Anyway that's how I see myself, and it seems like I fit the patterns based on what I have seen others explain about themselves with their placements.

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I don't follow you around stalking your posts so my assessment may not be correct, but this response is one of the more vulnerable I have seen. I am acclimated to the mentally-oriented styles of tautomer, and admit to pleasant surprise when you discuss you Cancer Mars. I think both your assessments sound very accurate and can relate a bit with my own chart. My Cancer Jupiter and Capricorn Mercury directly oppose in the 3rd and 9th houses. I find frequent struggle involving the things I think/observe and the things I feel/resonate with, as they apply to my greater evolution. Though the planets are different the flavor of the struggle seems similar to me.

Where Capricorn is determined to gain command of its role, Cancer seeks direction. Where Cancer wants immerse their self in care for their loved one, Capricorn will not respect a person who is incapable if self sufficiency. Good luck on your path for finding a good partner. I agree that being gay can feel like a disadvantage when seeking meaningful relationships (especially of the Tauran variety). If I may, I would add that (contrary to popular belief) love relationships generally require a few scrapes, and failure tends to be invaluable for sculpting one's capacity for attracting the "right" partner. What we desire and what ends up being the best partner can turn out very different. I had always been attracted to Aquarians and idealized the energy in others, until I dated Aquarians with heavy water influences. It helped me realize my reasons for liking Aquarius, was based on an assumption that I could remain emotionally unavailable and we could still pretend, without all the hurt feelings. After two long-term attempts failed, exceedingly charming and apparently unemotional Aquarians stopped being attractive to me.

As you stated, you have a lot of opportunity ahead of you at 22. I'm positive you will figure it all out.