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Topic: Sexual Roles & Rituals
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Xiiro Moderator Posts: 1308 From: San Diego CA, USA Registered: Jun 2011
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posted March 22, 2012 06:57 AM
I was pondering an observation made today, about the complexities of human sexuality. For some, sex is a simple experience while others view the topic as much more complex. Regardless of one's view of intimacy, there are a couple things we all share, "Roles and Rituals". One's sexual "Role" is often assumed to abide by the social expectations of one's physical gender. As we evolve, the lines begin to blur and we discover people may surprise us with their approach to intimacy. In addition to the hat we put on before jumping into bed, there are "Rituals" or requirements others must meet before we are capable of experiencing a connection. Sex can of course take place without one's requirements being met, but the best intimacy is achieved when we are aware of and utilizing the Roles and Rituals which feel most comfortable to us.Roles: One's role is determined by many factors, but one of the most telling is a person's Saturn and Mars Sign/House. For example: I have Saturn Virgo 5th / Mars Leo 5th, which is creative and driven to become master of my lover's sexual jungle (eek bad mental images). That creative drive must however, be channeled through the service oriented and attentive methods of Virgo. This Role could be seen as a "Creative and Masterful Servant" and could result in people with this placement seeking to "Top from the Bottom", or assume a passive role, while covertly dominating the situation. Rituals: One's Rituals are also determined by several factors. One of the most telling factors is a person's Moon and Venus Sign/House.
For example: I also have Moon in Virgo 6th and Scorpio Venus 8th. This Moon feels, "hard work pays off" and the light of Virgo may blind a lover from seeing her more tender parts (more bad images). This Moon requires a lover who enjoys working for intimacy. Efforts must be made to explore, memorize, and understand this Moon's needs. The Scorpio Venus adds psychological depth to the list of requirements. Not only must a lover connect deeply and intuitively, they must leave a cathartic and lasting impression (which isn't horribly difficult to achieve for Scorpio Venus when we are put in the right mood). This Ritual could be seen as requiring a "Meticulous Mystic", someone who is determined to get to know and effect every facet of my being. What are your Moon/Venus and Saturn/Mars combos and how do you see them relating (or not relating) to your Roles and Rituals?
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s4nd Knowflake Posts: 487 From: Registered: Feb 2012
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posted March 22, 2012 07:28 AM
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Xiiro Moderator Posts: 1308 From: San Diego CA, USA Registered: Jun 2011
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posted March 22, 2012 07:57 AM
quote: Originally posted by s4nd: hmm.. roles: mars and saturn in scorpio h1. rituals: moon in leo h10, venus in taurus h7.
Let me give it a shot: Roles: Your role is determined by the intuitive read you get from your partner. You see into the truth of your lover and seek to be exactly what they need. Like a scorpion, your instincts are to be a step ahead of your mate and when things seem like they may get out of your control, you issue tiny playful stings (or perhaps bites) to keep your partner seduced. There may be a fear of not meeting your partner's needs so no expense is spared in the pursuit of their appetites. I would call this Roll "The Avatar of Sex" or "The Skeleton Key" Rituals: Your Moon says, "pet me, I'm awesome" and you love when people recognize your shine. A lover is doing it best when they are doing it in worship. It can't be empty words or gestures though. Touch, Taste, Smell, Sight, and Sound are sacrificed at your altar. Massage when you are sore, cooking when you are hungry, creating art because you inspire them, drawing you a bath when your day has been rough, these are all ways your lover can communicate their love. I would refer to this kind of Ritual as requiring a "Respected Devotee" or a "Sensual Poet who has Found Their Muse" What do you think?
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aquaguy91 Moderator Posts: 4501 From: tennessee Registered: Jan 2012
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posted March 22, 2012 08:31 AM
very interesting, gemini mars and taurus moon in the third ,sun in aqua and saturn in capricorn in the twelfth,and aqua venus in the first,how would you interpret that? IP: Logged |
YoursTrulyAlways Knowflake Posts: 4102 From: Registered: Oct 2011
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posted March 22, 2012 08:39 AM
Huh?Role: Husband who submits to what wife wants or gets butt kicked Ritual: "Hey. Its after dinner. Come here, take off your pants and get to work." OK. Obligatory astrology. Mars in Capricorn House 11. Venus and Saturn in Aquarius in House 12. Moon in Gemini in House 4. IP: Logged |
doommlord Moderator Posts: 1520 From: israel Registered: Dec 2011
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posted March 22, 2012 08:52 AM
xiiro what can you say about those placements?ritual: moon in leo moon in 7th venus in scorpio venus in 9th roles: mars in scorpio mars in 10th saturn in pisces saturn in 2nd thanks in advance IP: Logged |
s4nd Knowflake Posts: 487 From: Registered: Feb 2012
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posted March 22, 2012 08:55 AM
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ail221 Knowflake Posts: 1849 From: Mary Margaret Blanchard's home Registered: Feb 2012
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posted March 22, 2012 09:09 AM
Well my moon in gemini in 1st house and venus in Gemini in the 2nd. Mars in Taurus in the 12th house and Saturn in Capricorn in the 9th. Actually I am not quite sure how this relates to my sexual role. I am a communicator I suppose.IP: Logged |
Betty Boop Knowflake Posts: 3377 From: Betty Boop Land Registered: Sep 2010
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posted March 22, 2012 09:19 AM
I love this idea!! My role would be -- "the naughty postgrad student" haha Mars in Capricorn 7th Saturn in Sagittarius 6th And my ritual -- "Never expand energy chasing a hare, when -word on the street is- they can't even win a race" read: "The tortoise is where the 1st prize is at!" Moon in Capricorn 7th Venus in Taurus 11th. IP: Logged |
Fondue Knight Knowflake Posts: 819 From: NY Registered: Nov 2011
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posted March 22, 2012 09:28 AM
Roles: Scorpio Saturn-11th, Cancer Mars-7thRituals: Virgo Moon-9th, Taurus Venus-5th How interesting... My roles are all watery and my rituals are all earthy. I must have muddy sex. IP: Logged |
RegardesPlatero Moderator Posts: 4367 From: Registered: Sep 2011
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posted March 22, 2012 11:01 AM
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aquaguy91 Moderator Posts: 4501 From: tennessee Registered: Jan 2012
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posted March 22, 2012 11:17 AM
quote: Originally posted by Fondue Knight: Roles: Scorpio Saturn-11th, Cancer Mars-7thRituals: Virgo Moon-9th, Taurus Venus-5th How interesting... My roles are all watery and my rituals are all earthy. I must have muddy sex.
rotflmao thank you,you just gave me my laugh of the day IP: Logged |
VenusDiSirius Knowflake Posts: 4396 From: Surfing Kite. Seriously. Registered: Aug 2010
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posted March 22, 2012 11:50 AM
Xiiro,do mine,do mine H3 Sag Saturn DSC Aries Mars MC Cancer Venus H3 Cap Moon IP: Logged |
NativelyJoan Knowflake Posts: 1105 From: New England Registered: Sep 2011
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posted March 22, 2012 12:27 PM
quote: Xiiro: Roles: One's role is determined by many factors, but one of the most telling is a person's Saturn and Mars Sign/House.
Very interesting post Xiiro. Saturn in Sagittarius/10th house Mars in Aries/1st house I'm a bit of a control freak in more ways than one however it relates more to my own self expression in actions not towards controlling others. I need sexual situations to be very intense however very controlled. My Saturn is at home in the 10th house and I guess that means I can be a bit reserved when it comes to my sexuality. However I've also got Uranus in the 10th which kind of throws all that off. But once I've gotten beyond the initial reservation of my 10th house Saturn, I'm ready to jump right into to the activities of the boudoir. I'm not inhibited with having my Mars in Aries in the 1st. I guess I can be the aggressor however I need a person who's just as aggressive as myself. Somewhat of a cat and cat situation instead of cat and mouse. I'd say I'm a "Reserved and Unassuming Sexualist." But feel free to interpret this further Xiiro. quote: Xiiro: Rituals: One's Rituals are also determined by several factors. One of the most telling factors is a person's Moon and Venus Sign/House.
Moon in Aries/2nd House Venus in Leo/7th House Well, my Moon desires activity and is very passionate. It also needs a bit of stability, or shall I say stabilized passion. Not fleeting interest but grounded passion that's sustainable. Security needs to be established between the two participating parties. Emotional security, not material or physical. This Moon is trine my Venus in Leo who desires grand displays of love that are frequent, not fleeting. My Venus also desires emotional stability and interest. Attention is necessary to feel emotionally fulfilled and anything beautiful or creative is enough to enthrall my Venus. My Venus is at home in the 7th and is looking for an equal therefore there can be no games or imbalances of any kind within the context of sexual relating or Venus will dramatically close her door to that prospect. I'm a "Passionate Equality Temptress." Again feel free to interpret further. These activities are fun, they always allow me to further understand myself. I also noticed all these planet placements I've described about myself are in Fire. Whoa there I got a lot of passion. IP: Logged |
ail221 Knowflake Posts: 1849 From: Mary Margaret Blanchard's home Registered: Feb 2012
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posted March 22, 2012 01:14 PM
Thought about it: Role: Mars in Taurus in the 12th house and Saturn in Capricorn in the 9th. Actual after thinking about Taurus's inhibited nature and in the 12th house sounded like Tantric sex. Some connection between spiritual and inhibited human needs. Because both of my planets are ruled by earth signs; provide stability and be willing to take the lead.Ritual: Moon in gemini in 1st house and venus in Gemini in the 2nd. Communicating verbalizing personal needs. My ritual include creating a childlike fascination; turn someone's 2d dimensional world into multi-dimensional IP: Logged |
inthemisosoup Knowflake Posts: 411 From: Registered: Aug 2011
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posted March 22, 2012 01:44 PM
My ritual is emotional and sexual transcendence, with a little bit of power play involved. My moon in Pisces is in the first house. My Scorpio Venus is in the eighth.My role is . . . this one is a little more confusing. My Saturn is Sag in the 10th house, my Mars in Pisces 1st house. I don't know. I tend to look for older men with a good reputation professionally/sexually but then I end up being taken advantage of and end up having control/dominance of the relationship. Since my Saturn is in Sagittarius I am always looking for the intellectual, spiritually aware, and foreign boys. I look to discover our purpose on Earth, or our purpose together. In that sense, I take on a teaching sort of role to my partner because usually they aren't on the same page . . . I use a lot of creative energy intellectually and sexually. There's a lot of sex as I have a high sex drive (Mars in 1st, conjunct Jupiter?). I dunno if that's what you mean but maybe you can give me a stab. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Knowflake Posts: 4589 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted March 22, 2012 05:51 PM
My Moon is in Aquarius in 2nd house. My Venus is in Capricorn in 1st house, square Plutomy Mars is in Sagittarius in 12th house, conjunct Neptune and ASC my Saturn is in Cancer in 8th house. What would YOU say? I find it interesting that you picked these planets, as they all are ruling the cardinal houses each.
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Nothingbutaname Knowflake Posts: 203 From: Registered: Nov 2010
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posted March 22, 2012 06:37 PM
Roles - mars in scorpio 11th house , saturn in aqua in 1st house.Ritual - moon in capricorn 1st house, venus in libra, 9th house. Anyone??
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Xiiro Moderator Posts: 1308 From: San Diego CA, USA Registered: Jun 2011
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posted March 22, 2012 11:38 PM
quote: Originally posted by aquaguy91: very interesting, gemini mars and taurus moon in the third ,sun in aqua and saturn in capricorn in the twelfth,and aqua venus in the first,how would you interpret that?
Lets see.. Role - Capricorn Saturn 12th / Gemini Mars 3rd: This Mars would place a lot of weight on successful exchange between self and lover. Conversation, conceptualization, and chat can be experienced as foreplay. In fact, the tension created before things are established is the playground of this Mars. 'Flirtation leaves so much to the imagination, where declarations and established intentions tend to never turn out the way we plan.' Fluttering glances, endearing complements, playful discussion, and sweet inside jokes may even take precedence over physical acts. With Saturn however, this Role not only places emphasis on external communication, but internal impressions. The Mercurial force swarms around a highly self-aware internal mechanism. Once the bees go out and socialize, they must return to their well structured confines and work toward the improvement of the hive. In this case I could see an intuitive comprehension of how one's lover views one. An internal mirror, constantly pointing out the state of one's self and being used to refine all external communication for manifestation of an optimum desired result. I would refer to this role as "The Bee Hive" or "The Professional Flirt". Rituals - Taurus Moon 3rd / Aquarius Venus 1st: This Moon enjoys routine, perhaps to the point of repetition. You may find your self seeking lovers who inspire particular experiences or comparing lovers to people in your past and holding them to the standards you expected in others. The big reason behind this has to do with the difficulty it may take for people to truly comprehend the fullness of you. Your Rituals may be quite particular because your imagination is vast and tangible and it takes a certain type of person to ride your wavelength. Many people pale as monotone in comparison to your multidimensional personality. You need a person who is capable of comprehending someone who juggles "dead-serious" and "bat-$hit-crazy" in the same day. Ultimately this would require someone who devours abstracts and contrasts, someone who proves they "get" you everyday. It doesn't really matter what they do as long as they can appreciate and comprehend you (wherever you are on your wavelength). It may help things a bit if they can cry out "Oh God!" in binary (or anything equally odd) while you make love. I would refer to these rituals as requiring a "goddess/god of Knowing and Slow Lorises" or a "Freak Whisperer". (Disclaimer: I use the word "Freak" for its indications of outstanding character and uniqueness, not in the sense of somebody who dresses up like a goldfish and hides in the bushes).
This one was a bit complex.. Earthy-Airy is an interesting combo.
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aquaguy91 Moderator Posts: 4501 From: tennessee Registered: Jan 2012
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posted March 22, 2012 11:46 PM
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RedScorp Knowflake Posts: 3932 From: GMT-5 Registered: Jul 2011
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posted March 23, 2012 12:01 AM
quote: Originally posted by Xiiro: somebody who dresses up like a goldfish and hides in the bushes
I'VE DONE THAT BEFORE... IP: Logged |
Xiiro Moderator Posts: 1308 From: San Diego CA, USA Registered: Jun 2011
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posted March 23, 2012 12:36 AM
quote: Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways: Huh?Role: Husband who submits to what wife wants or gets butt kicked Ritual: "Hey. Its after dinner. Come here, take off your pants and get to work." OK. Obligatory astrology. Mars in Capricorn House 11. Venus and Saturn in Aquarius in House 12. Moon in Gemini in House 4.
LOL Role - Aquarius Saturn 12th / Capricorn Mars 11th: This Mars knows that good things come to those who wait, but the best things come to those who work for them. This Mars is a "provider of intimacy" and seeks to always make a lover feel as if they are in good hands. The best intimacy is harvested from experience and dedication. This Role loves to test things out in order to achieve high-quality results. Experiences are weighed, synthesized, and modified in the laboratory within. You have the gift of separating your self from your subject in order to get a better over all view of your intimacy experiment. I would refer to this Roll as the "Sensual Chemist" or possibly "The Gentle Conqueror". This does not mean you conquer by domination however. "The best warriors do not use violence. The best generals do not destroy indiscriminately. The best tacticians try to avoid confrontation. The best leaders become servants of their people. This is called the virtue of non-competition. This is called the power to manage others. This is called attaining harmony with the heavens. " - Tao Te Ching Ritual - Gemini Moon 4th / Aquarius Venus 12th: This Moon finds comfort in comprehending her surroundings. There is a strong need for communication in order for the foundations of intimacy to be laid. Venus in this situation appreciates the freedoms of others and can imagine, but will rarely assume to know the hidden secrets of their lover. If you need something, you will communicate it, and your lover should be equipped to handle that level of honesty regarding their own needs. You are observant and require a lover who can appreciate and respect both of you as unique individuals; someone who is not afraid to experiment and play, because nothing is hidden. This Ritual could be seen as requiring a "Mutual Free Spirit" or "Transparency".
"The one who bows and the one who is bowed to are both, by nature, empty. Therefor the communication between us is inexpressibly perfect..." - Prajnaparamita This one was a bit tough for me too. Because I am pretty Air deficient in my own chart, a lot of this Earth-Air stuff has been guesswork. If you have a different light to shine on yours, please share. =) thanks
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Xiiro Moderator Posts: 1308 From: San Diego CA, USA Registered: Jun 2011
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posted March 23, 2012 12:37 AM
quote: Originally posted by RedScorp: I'VE DONE THAT BEFORE...
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Xiiro Moderator Posts: 1308 From: San Diego CA, USA Registered: Jun 2011
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posted March 23, 2012 12:46 AM
I promise to get to everyone. I have been busy recently so it may take me some time.IP: Logged |
Xiiro Moderator Posts: 1308 From: San Diego CA, USA Registered: Jun 2011
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posted March 23, 2012 01:38 AM
quote: Originally posted by doommlord: xiiro what can you say about those placements?ritual: moon in leo moon in 7th venus in scorpio venus in 9th roles: mars in scorpio mars in 10th saturn in pisces saturn in 2nd thanks in advance
Hmm.. Role - Pisces Saturn 2nd / Scorpio Mars 10th: This Mars seeks to discover what makes their lover tick. In a sense, you may judge your worth based on how deeply your partner is willing to expose their self to you. You pay close attention to your partner and feel a rush when a weakness in your partner's armor is exposed. This investigatory Mars manifests through the law of Piscean Saturn though, which adds an unconditional, compassionate, and less intense buffer to your motives (but includes a feeling of personal rejection when your partner shuts you out). Part of why you desire to expose your loved ones, is because you have already seeped into their cracks and feel their feelings within your self. An exposed connection is free flowing, where a masked connection feels tight and causes you to feel as if you are required to play games with people. You are fortunate to be equipped with a tangible sense of your emotional environment. A partner who is trusting of you and capable of keeping you from falling into boredom (which could result in poking and twisting of your emotional environment), is a lucky partner indeed. This Role could be seen as "A Hug Which Radiates In" or possibly "The Eye Who Sees The World Hiding In Plain Sight". Ritual - Leo Moon 7th / Scorpio Venus 9th: This Moon seeks others who can truly appreciate her. People who provide a space for you to exercise your strength and loyalty are the people you benefit most from. You know you have a lot to offer and should not mess around with people who are not willing to appreciate you for everything you bring to the table. Praise, petting, and presents are always accepted, and will certainly win points. Part of what a lover must appreciate is the complexity of your own emotional needs. You are all too willing to sacrifice your own needs for those of your loved ones, so you are particularly swept off your feet by a lover who is kind, gentle, and capable of offering you the same emotional prowess you offer them. Your emotions can be rough waters and may feel particularly tender when exposed. They often become exposed when personal evolution and expansion is needed. You may not deal as skillfully with your own emotions as you do with the emotions of others, so compassion, trustworthiness, and loyalty are virtues which charm you to open up. These Rituals could be seen as requiring "A Humble Champion" or a "Shepard Raising Lions".
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