posted March 25, 2012 09:55 PM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
well i actually like the intensity,i'm just weary because im usually on the wrong end of venus pluto, im always the one being played for a fool,and i dont like it,i have venus square pluto natally.

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posted March 25, 2012 09:58 PM            

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Originally posted by Lonake:
^ I have the sq too. You have to stop playing victim & start to take control of your destiny in relationships. You prob have to own up to the fact that you make poor choices in partners & change that.

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posted March 25, 2012 10:21 PM            

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Originally posted by scrappydog:
With pluto contacts u just can't stop thinking about them and wanting them All the time, so intense. If u r plutonian natally u will love it. If u have a lot of dominant aqua/sag or are very mercurial/uranian it might 'disturb' u and not in a good way, u might want to run, it can just feel to 'heavy' for u.

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This is a very interesting analysis - I am Aqua dominant with a lot of Sagittarian energy in my chart and I hate that "falling in love" phase, the infatuation that a new sexual relationship brings. It's all-consuming and obsessive and I feel anxiety-ridden and on edge... in other words, I prefer my passion of the companionate, familiar kind

posted March 25, 2012 11:08 PM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
however i no longer accept that behavior,when i get the feeling that someone is trying to manipulate or play me i tell them to hit the road,i wont tolerate it,and i have tried picking better partners,same result.thats why i am taking a break from the dating game.

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Originally posted by CosmicKarma360:
So much so, that I'm already keeping it at arms length. I'm guessing it would be all right to go for it, but keep my eyes wide open all the way. Is that what you mean?

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I'd be happy to look at the natals + synastry in Personal Readings.

posted March 25, 2012 11:12 PM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
not sure why i quoted myself,i meant to quote lonake -_-

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posted March 25, 2012 11:17 PM            

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Originally posted by Lonake:
I'd be happy to look at the natals + synastry in Personal Readings.

aquaguy91 talked about part of it, seeing the negative Pluto (manipulation/using and abusing) and stopping it in its tracks. I think the romantic ideal (or what many people do) is fall in love/lust and then go on some kind of automatic drive. With Venus/Pluto sq I do not think that is healthy, because Pluto has road bumps that could overturn your car if you know what I mean.
Eyes wide open you go it. And don't blind yourself to the positives of Ve/Pl, namely power of love for good.
Do your best to stay away from obsession/control/jealousy because that is not love even if it looks ridiculously erotically compelling on a perverse level. Those are indicators of a slippery slope.
I have Venus in Capricorn so you know I know all about the control that goes on w.keeping them at arms length.

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posted March 25, 2012 11:33 PM            

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Originally posted by Lonake:
^ You sound more like Saturn now

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posted March 26, 2012 01:21 PM            

I don't believe we've talked to each other before but I wanted to say Hi

I like how you think about handling the whole Pluto energy bit--about not being a victim, and getting sucked into the typical pattern of manipulation.

I agree that we need to find a way to rise above these patterns, or else, since water has a way of finding its own level, we will keep drawing the same types of people into our lives.

I have a prominent Pluto in my 5th, but I also have a prominent Neptune in my 7th.

I think what I've done is combine both Pluto and Neptune energies to handle things beneficially. I can usually spot manipulation right away, doesn't matter who it is, and how slight the manipulation. I may not say anything to the person, but I'll take steps to protect myself and loved ones.

Plus what you said about Saturn's stability is also correct, I feel. I have both moon and Venus trine Saturn, which I think makes me naturally want to do things that will be beneficial rather than self destructive.

I think that of all the outers, Pluto's energies can be the most hidden and therefore the most destructive to self and others.

So I think this is an extremely important discussion we're having, as more people need to know and understand.

I never knew you knew quite a bit of astrology. Watch out, I may be dogging you too in future (as I have some of the other gurus here )

posted March 26, 2012 01:33 PM            

See? told ya I'd start dogging

What about someone (male) who doesn't have an actual conjunction bet. Venus and Pluto (orb too wide), but he has Mars conj. Venus (1 orb) and Pluto sitting about 10 degrees away in the same house and same sign? Would he still feel Pluto's effect on his Mars and Venus?

posted March 26, 2012 01:45 PM            

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Originally posted by Scrappydog:
Linda, earth and water do yes, Im a cappy moon, taurus rising, with venus in virgo, my sun pluto 1* conj is in 6th h. My man is heavy cappy, cancer, his pluto is strong, but not as strong as mine, But he seems to feel it even a bit stronger than me. Maybe because its his venus is on my pluto. Sometimes venus can be the more obsessed one with this combo.

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Thanks, scrappy, I appreciate your time.
I think I read something similar on cafe astrology ... that the Venus person is usually more enthralled.

Didn't know if that is actually what happens for everybody. Moonfish doesn't seem to think so.

So maybe it's true in general, but doesn't apply to everybody. *sigh* like so much else in astrology.

posted March 26, 2012 07:08 PM            

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Originally posted by Linda Jones:
he has Mars conj. Venus (1 orb) and Pluto sitting about 10 degrees away in the same house and same sign? Would he still feel Pluto's effect on his Mars and Venus?

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posted March 27, 2012 03:35 AM            

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Originally posted by Aquacheeka:
I just entered the birth info for myself and all of the ex-boyfriends whose DOB's I could remember into Cafeastrology's compatibility comparison and I found the oddest thing: I've never had a sexual relationship with someone that didn't involve a Venus-Pluto contact (conjunction or trine). This was more consistent than Venus-Mars.

Is Pluto the ultimate say in sexual attraction? This goes against what I've always believed about sexual synastry.

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posted March 27, 2012 10:53 PM            

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Originally posted by Lonake:
Hi Linda, I wouldn't count it as a stellium. The conj works on its own, adding an extra magnetic/attractive appeal. The same sign/house would add a lot to the energy moving between them, esp since Venus is domicile & rules Mars here and Pluto, so Venus is the one to watch. I would think it's good, when the relationship/interactions w.others are running smoothly, but when they're not (unfairness for example) then the intensity could be triggered, maybe aimed at the partner first since Libra sees itself only in relation to another, not defined on its own terms. What ties them together is what makes them stand out, vs.them all being in Sagittarius, or another non-Venus/Mars/Pluto ruled sign. The house matters here too obv. If a luminary was involved I'd give it more leeway, orb-wise.

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posted March 27, 2012 11:04 PM            

I've met several people in my personal life, who have soft natal aspects to their Pluto-trines and sextiles with inner planets.

Yet these people seem to have issues w/ the Plutonian kind of control (which I feel is different from Saturn's control, the latter being more obvious). Manipulation is the method employed with power being the ultimate objective.

I guess I wonder why, even w/ soft aspects, they're unable to let go of the desire to have power over others?