posted August 24, 2021 02:43 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
I agree with you there definitely.

I feel similar to Kannon that this fighter is using the strengths of PISCES to make him a better fighter and is nice this thread has highlighted this but if he did not have mars square the nodes, or mars aspecting pluto he would have chosen a different career path.

Like if he had mars in pisces conjunct neptune instead and not aspecting pluto or the nodes he would have chosen a different career path and the strengths of Pisces would have been utilized in a different way is my take on this.

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posted August 27, 2021 03:28 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
If my recollection is correct, OJ Simpson has Mars in Pisces. He was an outstanding athlete who dominated the field in his heydays.

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He has MARS in GEMINI conjunct NORTHNODE in GEMINI with MOON in PISCES.

He has MARS parallel SUN
He has MARS parallel NORTHNODE

http://www.astrotheme.com/astrology/O.J._Simpson

posted August 27, 2021 04:01 PM            

Then with Chart ruler the Sun parallel Mars, this will only increase such an indication, and also the Scorpio Jupiter conjunct an Angle and square the Asc also helps. Mercury conjunct chart ruler can indicate good hand eye coordination and fine motor skills, along with a quicker, analytical mind and both in Cancer indicates an increase in "gut instincts".

On a side note, interesting that he has a Saturn Pluto conjunction in Leo being the closest Planets to his Asc, though with Pluto 12 degrees away, out of the range of conjunction (though with Asc being such a sensitive and important point, I give it a 10 degree orb. If his chart is just a little bit off, it could be technically conjunct his Asc).

The two most potentially ASPD planets of them all. And it does seem that he does severely lack empathy and conscience. Normally the combo of moderately strong Jupiter (conjunct IC) and Moon in Pisces would tend to counterbalance that some, BUT, Jupiter is in a difficult/challenging/prone to the dark side at times Fixed Sign and square the Asc/Pluto/Saturn bunch, and thus also square one of its rulers (Pluto, which indicates it is likely to not express so constructively). Squares in Fixed Signs are the most difficult to transform, because they indicate a definite habit and pattern built up over lifetimes.

When Jupiter is expressing more negatively, it can indicate an increase in grandiosity, arrogance, and inflated, important sense of self. More specifically in his case, also a highlighted Jupiter in Scorpio square Leo Asc, Saturn, and Pluto can indicate a very powerful/obsessive carnal drive/focus--sex addict level type.

But I think his particular combo indicates a greater likelihood of tending more towards the sociopathic than the straight up, born psychopathic. He probably started off fairly low consciousness, but grew more callous and selfish over time.

posted August 27, 2021 10:19 PM            

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Originally posted by GalacticCoreExplosionV2:
Athleticism is not all just about Mars. There are various factors, and one of the most important is the Asc Sign and condition of the ruler. If the astro.com chart is more or less accurate, then perhaps even more importantly, he has Leo Rising. Leo Rising is one of the most innately athletic Rising Signs of the 12, though Aries and Sagittarius are not far behind.

Then with Chart ruler the Sun parallel Mars, this will only increase such an indication, and also the Scorpio Jupiter conjunct an Angle and square the Asc also helps. Mercury conjunct chart ruler can indicate good hand eye coordination and fine motor skills, along with a quicker, analytical mind and both in Cancer indicates an increase in "gut instincts".

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Great points about the AC and AC ruler.

OJ like you said has Leo rising so his Chart ruler SUN parallels MARS and MARS parallels North-node.

Also both OJ and the athlete that this original post was started for have MARS in hard aspect to their Northnode.

Here are his Chart ruler's aspects:

posted September 01, 2021 09:43 PM            

I haven't looked at his chart but there's likely an abundant of other placements explaining why and how he chose his career. Like an abundance of fire in his chart or lots of aries, full 1st house. Is it unaspected or have maybe over abundant? Although my Pisces is very heavily aspected with both easy and difficult. I have alot in my chart that would amplify the mars in pisces traits. I am between 55 and 60 percent water. My chart also has a pisces signature & Mars is the 3rd most dominant planet in my chart.

He could have very well likely had alot of suppressed rage partly CAUSED by having a more sensitive and subdued Mars. Like maybe this made him an easy target for bullies and or abuse because he wasn't likely to fight back. When, not if, it did re-emerge in adulthood he probably found out that becoming a fighter was a healthy and legal way to release that anger.

I check off every box of pisces mars traits. BUT I also developed alot of suppressed rage because of this. But eventually it surfaced & unless I wanted to lengthen the process and create even more problems I had to confront these problems or it would continue to reservice again and again becoming worse and worse everytime.

I was forced to face my own hidden rage about 4 years ago have been dealing with it in a manner that works best for my owns wiring. Mine took the form of verbal anger. Becoming verbally aggressive was and is how I instinctively react whenever a person triggers me. I eventually just let that impulse take over so I could take my power back. Afterwards I always feel like I could have handled that in a different way and I reflect on that. So when this is triggered in the future I will have a healthy way to do so. I am personally inclined to take a more spiritual or another non physical approach.

I have a good amount of fire in my chart to at 25%. My NN is in aries & I have a sag stellium with sun, uranus, saturn & mercury. Saturn conjuncts all of others but mercury is not in aspect to sag/uranus conjunct. There are times when the verbal approach can start making me even madder and believe me, I feel an overwhelming urge to jump on a ***** and start beating them relentlessly. I have had to really fight back the urge more than a few times. Like it can become blinding. But I never become physical. For one I think is because of all that Sagittarius. That sign has a strong sense of right and wrong and having the sun here shows this as part of my core self. Being more consciously aware of and connected to this makes it easier for me to hold back that urge. Uranus is unpredictable though so sometimes it can strengthen that impulse while at times it might help me overcome it. Saturn knows the mercury approach is the lesser of the evils plus I have a pretty weak 3rd House/ Mercury that needs to find its strength and potential. Not to mention Sagittarius value freedom above pretty much everything except maybe truth which is a toss up. Physically assaulting someone would earn me some jail time at the very least. Plus ik if once I start I would have a hard time stopping. Ik I would regret it right away & I also know there is a very good chance I'd get my ass kicked.

I needed to learn how to stand up for myself & others if I need too. I need to learn how to express myself verbally. I need to learn how to deal with confrontation. I spent a lifetime avoiding it like the dam plague. Purging this anger and letting it express itself as it pleased is essential and is part of a healthy process. The point is to strike a balance though. It wouldn't be healthy if I stayed in this mode. It's supposed to be part of the transformation. It would be unhealthy if that were to become a permanent method of addressing my anger. I can't find a way to correct something if I am not entirely sure exactly what that something is.

All I am saying is there's a logical explanation somewhere in the natal. I just broke mine down somewhat as an example. Mars is only one part of us. There is no doubt I identify with my mars the same way I identify with the other planets. But I have a hair trigger temper. I can become very angry and it is usually for piscean reasons. Fueling my Sagittarian fire since they stand for similar things. I can get pushed to the level where violence may seem like a good answer momentarily. There were a few instances in the past where my ex would push me so far where I had jumped on him and would start hitting and punching him as hard as I possibly could repeatedly. I knew he wouldn't hit me back and I also knew he could easily restrain me so I'd just try to get in as many hits as I possibly could before he would have me gotten ahold of me. I knew neither of us were in any real danger.

There is someway of another that he expressed his mars in a piscean way. I don't know anything more about him other than his name and what he was known for. I know nothing of him beyond that but somewhere in his life has to have evidence of a pisces mars. If someone were to read up on a Gemini moon & only take the sign into consideration, there is a lot about it that I seem to contradict. But once you take into account its relationship to the rest of my chart and the fact that it is in the 12H, them it makes much more sense.

posted September 01, 2021 10:44 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
He has MARS in GEMINI conjunct NORTHNODE in GEMINI with MOON in PISCES.

He has MARS parallel SUN
He has MARS parallel NORTHNODE

http://www.astrotheme.com/astrology/O.J._Simpson

He also has has Saturn conjunct PLUTO square NESSUS and Saturn conjunct PLUTO square JUPITER. Just an interesting side detail.

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posted September 03, 2021 10:59 AM            

One of the reasons I decided to register and post was the continuous mistreatent of my zodiac sign.

I don't know if any of you would feel great hearing about your sign/planet that is nothing short of the sign/planet of loosers. Sorry to say this, but it is.

This is nothing short of a more or less c/overt way of agression. By continuously portraying a human group as having certain characteristics, eventually a number of them, big or small, begins to internalize these traits.

Continuosly I see how people takes great pains in searching even the most minute sand in the cosmos out there just to avoid saying something positive of Pisces sign.

Never mind that as the time of its writing, the funny and instructive "Astrology for dummies" of Rae Orion explicitly stated that there were more Pisces Forbes 500 individuals than from any other sign. Never mind that, at some point in its history Piscis counted the most US presidents in its history. Never mind... never mind...

Vettius Valens, in the 2nd Century AD made the following description of each of Pisces terms

[bold]The first 12° of Pisces belong to Venus: cheery, fecund, downward-trending, /18P/ luxurious, living
graciously, with a friendly greeting, celebrating, loving, making progress without effort, dear to the gods.
The next 4° belong to Jupiter: literary, learned, preeminent among the masses and victorious over everyone
because of his words, with many brothers, prolific, with many children, having too many associates and
brothers. The next 3° belong to Mercury: fecund, ruling, those of high rank, with many friends,
bounteous, loving their parents, charitable, pious, temperate. The next 9° belong to Mars: active, naval
warriors, /19K/ bold guides, attaining success in mystic lore, plundering but then restoring, varied, not
dying a natural death. The last 2° belong to Saturn: enfeebled, moist, subject to fits, entirely unlucky.[/bold]

which I think are more possitive traits.

In the description about men born in this sign, he says/said:

[bold]Men born under this sign are unsteady, unreliable, changing from bad fortune to good, sexy, theivish,
shameless, prolific, popular.[/bold]

which is a much more optic to this sign, at least if you compare to others.

Nevertheless...

It seems that the slogan is [bold]not even a glass of water to Pisces!... Ahem, especially not a glass of water![/bold]

I end my contribution here, and let's time put each one in its place. Let's see the time you need a Pisces in your life.

By the way, my Mars IS NOT in Pisces.

posted September 03, 2021 12:27 PM            

If someone has Mars, Saturn, and/or Pluto for example in a Sign that squares another's Pisces Planets, they will tend to not have the greatest experiences with some people with strong Pisces.

And so they will tend to personalize that as a bias, and over generalize and say things like, "Pisces people are super shifty, weak willed, etc"

But I've literally seen this with EVERY Sign. Me personally, I often have an almost love-hate relationship with folks that have a combo of strong Aries-Taurus or Taurus-Aries. I tend to be attracted to them in some ways, and yet find them very frustrating at times at the same time (not ALL individuals, just as a trend). Probably no surprise that two of my strongest Signs are Capricorn and Leo, signs which are square those two. Despite that, one of my closest friends, has a very powerful combo of Taurus and Aries (he is very spiritualized and other than being a bit over fixed at times, raises up his energies quite a bit).

The archetype of Pisces is the most beautiful of them all. But it's a hard one to live up in reality. Potentially, Pisces is the fastest vibratory and most expanded Sign, consciousness wise. However, for a person with strong Pisces to express that higher side, it needs to be backed up Planetary wise with an emphasis on the mid to faster vibratory planets, and the slower vibratory ones not predominant.

So people with very strong Pisces and simultaneously strong Venus, Uranus (to some extent), Neptune, Jupiter, and/or Sun, with say only moderate Saturn, Mars, Moon, and/or Mercury, will tend to express those highest and most noble qualities of Pisces.

But anyone who has studied astrology for a length of time, while being reasonably perceptive, probably has noticed that Planetary energies are stronger and more important to deeper character tendencies than Signs.

Hence, if one is dealing with a Pisces Sun, but who has say Gemini Saturn conjunct Mars closely conjunct the Asc with Saturn closest, do not expect to see all those lovely, spiritual, kind, giving tendencies of Pisces, to put it mildly. You might instead see a particularly shifty, low empathy, low conscience ASPD type. Which is very different than the archetype of Pisces.

I have a combo of very strong Jupiter and Neptune with Angular Pisces South Node, and I've been looking into astrology for nearly 3 decades. I have found that I am more Piscean like, in an archetypal way, than a lot of Pisces Sun that I have met. For example, my partner's father is a Pisces Sun. He has a definite temper, is pretty materialistic and somewhat shallow in some ways, is not the most giving/generous guy around. He is pretty much a materialistic atheist type, and looks down on people that have spiritual, religious, and/or metaphysical type beliefs.

The most Pisces thing about him is that he likes water and likes to drink, a lot, and when he's been drinking (but not too much) he can be a social butterfly (but when he drinks too much he often turns mean and nasty).

posted September 03, 2021 09:53 PM            

All that being said I have been in Lindaland for over a decade and I have never once felt insulted or offended by people talking about Pisces in here. Just yesterday I was reading somebody talking about a Virgo friend of theirs who is self-centered and perfectionistic and likes to complain a lot and I did not get offended by it either and I have Virgo sun. Lately, saggy is the one getting hit and Capricorn too. If you are getting offended it's because you're letting yourself get offended. Every sign gets criticized, all signs have strengths and weaknesses, and that is okay, and people are going to have their opinions and biases. You are free to question anything, to challenge anything, to disagree but I don't understand why we have to play the role of the victim. It actually reinforces the negative stereotype of Pisces ironically.

The reality is that pisces gets celebrated plenty but yes it also gets criticized, pisces its a beautiful sign and has a ton of good things about it but it has its shadow side and pretending it doesn't its a de-service to myself as a highly neptunian person, how am I suppose to get a handle on my shadow side and work through imbalances in myself if I just look at myself through rose colored glasses and pretend I am perfect.