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hskahn
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posted April 06, 2012 11:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hskahn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i call it for Obama. looks about the same as last election--it would be nice if it were a referendum but racism limits. what do you think?

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posted April 06, 2012 11:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RegardesPlatero     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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hskahn
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posted April 06, 2012 11:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hskahn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I'm actually shocked that I haven't heard more about the election. I would think that with it being only months away, people would be talking.

I don't know who will win, but personally I hope for Obama. I kind of think that he will, but I don't want to get my hopes up. I really want him to stay in office.


me too. i looked at his chart for last election and this coming one and it seems about the same so i think he will win but he still won't have the sort of support that will make it possible for him to do his best--that he will again be handcuffed. uranus seems to describe it best--folks looking for change but hanging on to tradition=stalemate.

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posted April 06, 2012 11:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for NativelyJoan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by hskahn:
i call it for Obama. looks about the same as last election--it would be nice if it were a referendum but racism limits. what do you think?


The stars look good for Obama, but who knows. As an American I know better then to assume however I also hope he gets reelected.

I think people are hesitating to talk about this topic because it's related to politics and people take things very personally. I don't know if you go on to Global Unity 2.0 often, but the debate in relation to whether or not Obama will get reelected gets pretty heated.

Racism is alive and well in the world. We'll see how things play out in November, but the stars look good for B.Obama.

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posted April 06, 2012 11:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Obama basically did the exact opposite of everything he promised to do. Not that the Republican candidate is likely to be any better.

Thinking of leaving the country.

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NativelyJoan
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posted April 06, 2012 11:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for NativelyJoan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The stalemates from the GOP dominated congress were ridiculous. And it's still continuing. Honestly, B.Obama's the best option for the job even if he'll continue to face incredible resistance from the right. Change is in the air whether people choose to accept that or not. Uranus in Aries will continue to shake things up.

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posted April 06, 2012 11:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for NativelyJoan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Faith:
Obama basically did the exact opposite of everything he promised to do. Not that the Republican candidate is likely to be any better.

Thinking of leaving the country.


You've got to take into consideration the circumstances that Obama was put in, seriously. He can only do what's manageable, if the economy is a mess and if he's constantly meeting resistance from a GOP dominated congress, getting things done becomes almost impossible.

If leaving the country seems like a good option to you, then do what you gotta do. I think things will get better, eventually.

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posted April 06, 2012 11:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Faith:
Obama basically did the exact opposite of everything he promised to do. Not that the Republican candidate is likely to be any better.

Thinking of leaving the country.


I cannot understand who or how anyone could like Obama but I don't want to argue. I am just making a statement of my incredulity.

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NativelyJoan
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posted April 06, 2012 12:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NativelyJoan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's tough and weird when considering the future of America and the world especially in regards to this upcoming election. It feels like things are going to fall apart regardless of who becomes president. But honestly who knows, I'm waiting till November to see the action unfold. Here's an interesting astrological piece about 2012 and the election in the US.
http://www.daykeeperjournal.com/2011/10/america-2012/

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posted April 06, 2012 12:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by NativelyJoan:
You've got to take into consideration the circumstances that Obama was put in, seriously. He can only do what's manageable, if the economy is a mess and if he's constantly meeting resistance from a GOP dominated congress, getting things done becomes almost impossible.

If leaving the country seems like a good option to you, then do what you gotta do. I think things will get better, eventually.


I would have to strongly disagree, he's used the signing statements MORE than G.W. Bush and launched a war in Libya without Congressional approval.

Drone attacks and assassinations are also within his purview and he explicitly requested the power to kill without oversight in the 2011 NDAA. This includes US Citizens.

Not acceptable to me. Nor is the opening of "Gitmo North" in Illinois any compensation for the minor improvements made at Gitmo.

And while Obama takes credit for ending the war in Iraq, truth is, this was done AGAINST his wishes.

I know people think it might be racist to not support Obama, but these wars are killing people- mostly brown people.

This really is an incendiary issue and I don't like to debate it on a public forum. That being said, I am motivated to get the truth out for the sake of people who are being oppressed by lies. The War Machine controls the media.

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posted April 06, 2012 12:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I cannot understand who or how anyone could like Obama but I don't want to argue. I am just making a statement of my incredulity.


Well, I think he is charming and handsome, and the media distorts things.

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posted April 06, 2012 01:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Malena     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've always been cynical toward authority figures (hello Catholic education), including politicians. I don't mind saying that I vote against people more than I vote for them. For all that Obama has done wrong, he's nowhere near as bad as Rick "rape babies are a gift from God" Santorum, Newt "women get an infection every 30 days" Gingrich, Ron "gay men with AIDS are just doing it for attention" Paul, or Mitt "Mr. Burns" Romney.

You'd think that if Obama were so terrible, the Republicans would find better candidates to put up against him than homophobes, racists and woman-haters. Since they can't, I have no problem voting against them.

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posted April 06, 2012 02:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RegardesPlatero     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted April 06, 2012 02:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RegardesPlatero     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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NativelyJoan
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posted April 06, 2012 02:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NativelyJoan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by RegardesPlatero:
I've seen him and Clinton speak. Both of them are definitely charming and know to to reach people. (Incidentally, both are Leos).

Both of them are really intelligent too, and the last thing that we need is another...shall we say "less brainy" president in office.


What's also nice about those two particular presidents is that not only are they very intelligent but they're humanitarians. Obama has a Leo Sun with a Gemini Moon and Aquarius Rising. They've both been involved in nonprofit work and grass roots movements. Notably Obama's work in Illinois and abroad and most recently Clinton's work in Haiti.

The world really fell in love with Obama when he was elected in 08, I thought it was funny that he got the Nobel Peace Prize I mean how many US presidents have ever received a Nobel Peace Prize during their presidency? Seriously?

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posted April 06, 2012 02:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for andrewinthestars     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Have you considered Dr. Ron Paul? Nothing encapsles the Pluto in Capricorn energy like this man and his message of liberty and personal freedoms. He's had his message since the long hand of Pluto was in Libra.

When Pluto was in Aries, when the cycle initiated back in 1822 it was the rise of Andrew Jackson. Jackson ran the indians towards the ocean and made the two party gridlock. Ron Paul is the anti-thesis of the corruption and the idea that the president can bully to write laws. The founders never intended the president with that kind of power. He is at the forefront of the novelty of our time, "bailout", "federal reserve", "banks", "99%." I see that Uranus is in Aries, and I think people are getting with the energy and see it's a time for revolution. A Ron Paul revolution.

It is only from studying this man's leads did I learn how are news nations are jsut propaganda willfully and deliberately creating their own stories. Hitler's Goebells is Murdoch's Frank Luntz. The smere stories against Ron Paul are all to protect people who understand nothing of God.

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posted April 06, 2012 02:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NativelyJoan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Have you considered Dr. Ron Paul?... The smere stories against Ron Paul are all to protect people who understand nothing of God.

Interesting. Well, firstly Ron Paul isn't going to be the Republican candidate so he's not even an option to loosely ponder about. It's just a waste of energy, honestly to spend time discussing him because I think an Alien from outer space has a closer shot at becoming president than Ron Paul, no offense to Mr. Paul. Do you really want to discuss someone who's not even close to getting the candidacy? Romney's destroying the competition with about 600+ delegates. Paul only has 51. http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/04/why-mitt-romneys-wisco nsin-win-puts-an-end-to-the-gop-primary/

Sidenote: I'm curious who is God according to Ron Paul?

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posted April 06, 2012 02:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for inthemisosoup     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Have you considered Dr. Ron Paul? Nothing encapsles the Pluto in Capricorn energy like this man and his message of liberty and personal freedoms. He's had his message since the long hand of Pluto was in Libra.

When Pluto was in Aries, when the cycle initiated back in 1822 it was the rise of Andrew Jackson. Jackson ran the indians towards the ocean and made the two party gridlock. Ron Paul is the anti-thesis of the corruption and the idea that the president can bully to write laws. The founders never intended the president with that kind of power. He is at the forefront of the novelty of our time, "bailout", "federal reserve", "banks", "99%." I see that Uranus is in Aries, and I think people are getting with the energy and see it's a time for revolution. A Ron Paul revolution.

It is only from studying this man's leads did I learn how are news nations are jsut propaganda willfully and deliberately creating their own stories. Hitler's Goebells is Murdoch's Frank Luntz. The smere stories against Ron Paul are all to protect people who understand nothing of God.


Ron Paul thinks one of the biggest threat to America is abortions. I, as a woman, will never vote for him. I also find it extremely hypocritical as someone who supposedly has a hands-off approach to government, that he believes governments have the right to police a woman's body.

At the same time, I see his appeal to some. He rides on this anti-corruption, small government, states rates platform. He appeals to conspiracy theorists and young people, because he is also anti-drug war. Which I don't think will ever amount to anything; seems to me he is lying for votes and support. We all know it will never happen. Furthermore, I don't understand the appeal of 'states rights" over federal rights. So what if the federal government can't oppress me if the state I live in still can? Switching one evil for another--it doesn't solve anything IMO.

I will never vote for these clowns in the GOP. I agree with whoever said Obama is the lesser of the evils. I voted for him in 2008, and although I have been extremely disappointed in him so far, I have far more faith in him than in anybody else in the running.

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posted April 06, 2012 02:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tautomer4314     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Obama is the lesser of all of the evils in this election, and he is not pure by any means. At this point it looks like Romney is going to get the nomination, which is both a good and bad thing. It's good because that means santorum will not get the nomination. It's bad because santorum will not get the nomination. Santorum is batshit crazy in every way and would not stand a snowballs chance in hell against obama. However, there is always the slim chance he could win and that would send this country back several decades. Easily. Santorum stands for everything I CAN NOT tollerate in a politician.

Romney I do not trust as far as you can throw him. He's got big business and private sector written all over him. He'd be taking trickle-down economics to the next level and that is the absolute worst thing for this country right now.

Obama is going to just sit on his bum and do very little for the next 4 years if he gets in office, which really totally sucks. At least we know what we'll get with him. And we know he would put a liberal judge on the supreme court if someone steps down, and that is something it desparately needs right now.

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posted April 06, 2012 02:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No candidate is gonna touch anyone's abortions. Sure, some do not agree but abortion is the law of the land and it will stay that way. These arguments are ludicrous.

No one is gonna touch anyone's birth control. You can get birth control for under 100 dollars for a woman at a doctor. This is ridiculous too. You can get condoms at Wal Mart for under 10 dollar or fifteen if you want fancy ones.

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posted April 06, 2012 03:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for inthemisosoup     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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No candidate is gonna touch anyone's abortions. Sure, some do not agree but abortion is the law of the land and it will stay that way. These arguments are ludicrous.

No one is gonna touch anyone's birth control. You can get birth control for under 100 dollars for a woman at a doctor. This is ridiculous too. You can get condoms at Wal Mart for under 10 dollar or fifteen if you want fancy ones.


I don't think it is ludicrous as I don't trust someone with a blatantly hypocritical platform. Also, I have the right to decide *not* to vote for someone based on their past history in terms of bills they support/promote/do not support, etc. I think it is extremely relevant issue to me. If you do not feel that way, that is your choice. I won't tell you how to feel about a certain candidate or political platform, no matter how the issue seems "minor" or "irrelevant" to me. Politics are a very personal thing.

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posted April 06, 2012 03:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RegardesPlatero     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted April 06, 2012 03:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
People can vote for whom they choose. The point is no one is gonna take away your birth control or abortion.

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posted April 06, 2012 03:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RegardesPlatero     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted April 06, 2012 03:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NativelyJoan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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People can vote for whom they choose. The point is no one is gonna take away your birth control or abortion.

Um yes, Ami Anne, someone will and can take away that right. Up until the passing of Roe vs. Wade that was the situation in the US. Since then laws related to abortion and birth control have been tweaked here and then, with the passing of additional bills which make it harder to access these services.

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