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Rosalind
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posted April 11, 2012 02:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rosalind     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Capriquarius:
He sounds purely paranoid. If he has random people hyperanalyzing him like this, no wonder he is. He probably projects his Virgo Moon and draws that sort of attention to him, since it's the opposite sign to his Sun.

I have also Virgo Moon and I also have insecurities but I am mastering them. Why? Because otherwise I cannot grow. When I was a child and a teen I was very insecure because of many reasons. When I reached my adulthood I realised that having insecurities brings nothing good. The paranoia stuff I though belongs to Scorpio. I have Scorpio rising and Pluto in Scorpio. I never was super private. I am usually like an open book. Perhaps is because of my Leo planets in 9th and 10th house. Dunno, I like to share my thoughts with people, I like to interact with them even though I like also my time alone. But this guy in question is worse than me.

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posted April 11, 2012 02:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rosalind     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Capriquarius:
Attention-seeking AND paranoid? That doesn't make sense.

It makes sense when the person wants to make a good impression. Being ashamed with his past he doesnt want anyone to find out playing the saint role. He is paranoid on keeping his life apart from others in order to be liked by them. When a person is too open and too honest with what he is, not many can accept his flaws, of course, we are living in a superficial world. Thats why in his opinion, a smile and a fake nice attitude will give him the confidence he wants. Usually Pisces are like that (sorry, but its true). Especially if all the personal planets are in this sign.

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posted April 11, 2012 02:13 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^ He's just paranoid then. Not especially attention-seeking.

Something sounds off here. I have a feeling you're trying to get a point across but it's getting all over the place now.

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Rosalind
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posted April 11, 2012 02:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rosalind     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Capriquarius:
^ He's just paranoid then. Not especially attention-seeking.

Something sounds off here. I have a feeling you're trying to get a point across but it's getting all over the place now.


Sorry. That wasnt my intention. I only tried to give a personal example. Forgive me, last night I went again to the hospital for some tests and I am still very dizzy.

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posted April 11, 2012 02:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for VenusDiSirius     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Sashar:
I'm an insecure Virgo.
The ability to see every flaw in oneself, love it anyway, but the inability to believe that other people would also love those flaws. Makes for a good mixture of insecurity.

Virgos aim for perfection, but if you have to aim for it then you still haven't reached it. Virgos are acutely aware of that fact.


I am saying that perfection road that Virgos take isn't for the insecure.
And since they take it,Virgos can't be that insecure,can they?

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posted April 11, 2012 02:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sashar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
I am saying that perfection road that Virgos take isn't for the insecure.
And since they take it,Virgos can't be that insecure,can they?



Being courageous doesn't mean you're not afraid, it just means you do things despite being afraid.

But I see what you're getting at, it does seem to be a bit of an oxymoron. Virgos aren't known for being the chaste s*** for no reason.


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posted April 11, 2012 02:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ariesdragon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Rosalind:
Sorry. That wasnt my intention. I only tried to give a personal example. Forgive me, last night I went again to the hospital for some tests and I am still very dizzy.

http://youtu.be/H7_sqdkaAfo

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posted April 11, 2012 02:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Capriquarius:
Something sounds off here. I have a feeling you're trying to get a point across but it's getting all over the place now.

Yeah I saw that too. She's projecting what she thinks a confident person is onto him & sign bashing in the process therefore building herself up.

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posted April 11, 2012 02:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for virgolotus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think with me it's just paranoia. I always see my flaws and know I can't change them and beat myself up for them pretty bad. Which makes me intensely insecure, to the point I just retreat from everyone because I don't want anyone seeing or criticizing me. I also hate that no matter what people always stare at me, it's really annoying. I can't go unnoticed which sucks when you're not really feeling confident. I just get even more paranoid.

I have no oppositions
Venus square Neptune & Uranus
Mars square Jupiter
Saturn square Pluto (My chart ruler)

What would account for that?^

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posted April 11, 2012 02:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SmilingHeart     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
I am saying that perfection road that Virgos take isn't for the insecure.
And since they take it,Virgos can't be that insecure,can they?


Good argument.
One must think pretty highly of oneself to even try to get something perfect. So real insecurity would be in the way.

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posted April 11, 2012 02:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SmilingHeart     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by virgolotus:
I think with me it's just paranoia. I always see my flaws and know I can't change them and beat myself up for them pretty bad. Which makes me intensely insecure, to the point I just retreat from everyone because I don't want anyone seeing or criticizing me. I also hate that no matter what people always stare at me, it's really annoying. I can't go unnoticed which sucks when you're not really feeling confident. I just get even more paranoid.

I have no oppositions
Venus square Neptune & Uranus
Mars square Jupiter
Saturn square Pluto (My chart ruler)

What would account for that?^



Oh, man. That sounds horrible and alot like teenage me.
I hope you'll see all your lovable, gracious and charming qualities one day and realize that your 'flaws' are what makes you a unique human being.
You sound wonderful and there is no need to assume that anyone would criticize you/think badly of you because of who you are.
Not all people will like you but that's ok. There are more than enough who will appreciate and love you dearly.
Keep in mind that as long as you walk around with these expectations people will fulfill them. Bullies are like dogs. They will smell your fear and take advantage of it. Don't let them. Love yourself more than anyone else could.

ps: what other placements do you have? Sun, moon, asc and house placements etc.?

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posted April 11, 2012 02:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by virgolotus:
What would account for that?^

Those are your only squares? Could be a H2 thing. Also maybe look at aspect to nodes as well as ASC/MC.

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posted April 11, 2012 02:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ariesdragon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by SmilingHeart:

Oh, man. That sounds horrible and alot like teenage me.
I hope you'll see all your lovable, gracious and charming qualities one day and realize that your 'flaws' are what makes you a unique human being.
You sound wonderful and there is no need to assume that anyone would criticize you/think badly of you because of who you are.
Not all people will like you but that's ok. There are more than enough who will appreciate and love you dearly.
Keep in mind that as long as you walk around with these expectations people will fulfill them. Bullies are like dogs. They will smell your fear and take advantage of it. Don't let them. Love yourself more than anyone else could.

Awesomeness SM!

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posted April 11, 2012 02:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for virgolotus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by SmilingHeart:

Oh, man. That sounds horrible and alot like teenage me.
I hope you'll see all your lovable, gracious and charming qualities one day and realize that your 'flaws' are what makes you a unique human being.
You sound wonderful and there is no need to assume that anyone would criticize you/think badly of you because of who you are.
Not all people will like you but that's ok. There are more than enough who will appreciate and love you dearly.
Keep in mind that as long as you walk around with these expectations people will fulfill them. Bullies are like dogs. They will smell your fear and take advantage of it. Don't let them. Love yourself more than anyone else could.

Thanks, you're awesome.
That's true, I'm getting over it little by litte. It's still tough though.
I certainly don't show it at all. People always say that I think I'm 'all that' just by the way I carry myself. It's just a mask though

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posted April 11, 2012 03:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rosalind     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Lonake:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Capriquarius:
[b]Something sounds off here. I have a feeling you're trying to get a point across but it's getting all over the place now.


Yeah I saw that too. She's projecting what she thinks a confident person is onto him & sign bashing in the process therefore building herself up. [/B][/QUOTE]
I already made it clear that this was a personal example. I didnt mean to bash anyone. That was only my opinion. I already have an identity, I don't need to build myself upon others. Only retard people do that. I know who I am and I feel great being like that. But that doesnt mean I don't have the right to state my opinion about others. I didnt judge the guy, i only said what I have noticed. I like psychology very much.

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posted April 11, 2012 03:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for virgolotus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Lonake:

Those are your only squares? Could be a H2 thing. Also maybe look at aspect to nodes as well as ASC/MC.

Empty H2 except for True Node which squares my Jupiter and opposes my Mars.

MC sqaures ASC and Pluto
Opposes Saturn

How do you calculate/find the nodes? Haven't really looked up on that.

ASC Scorpio
Moon Capricorn
Sun Virgo

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posted April 11, 2012 03:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rosalind     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ariesdragon:
http://youtu.be/H7_sqdkaAfo

Thanks!

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posted April 11, 2012 03:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls**     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm pretty insecure.

Chiron conjunct ASC and Saturn opposes it. I also have Mercury RX so I tend to over think/get worried about speaking up.

I don't think it's a sign issue. Every sign comes with their own insecurities.

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posted April 11, 2012 03:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by virgolotus:
How do you calculate/find the nodes?


Looks like yours is in H2. Maybe read up more on Saturn conj IC/or H4 if it's placed in there. But you have both Saturn & Pluto angular which strengthens them so that is a good thing. That might be part of the explanation for the way you come across vs.the way you feel internally. People tend to see angular placements quite readily. But if you have 2 angles occupied then on the surface what looks like focus or strength can internally feel like disarray due to the sq or opp there. Also Pluto sq MC might have to do w.it as well, but that would have to do more w.power struggles possibly on the job or at home.

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posted April 11, 2012 03:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RunAroundScreaming     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Rosalind:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Lonake:
[b] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Capriquarius:
[b]Something sounds off here. I have a feeling you're trying to get a point across but it's getting all over the place now.


Yeah I saw that too. She's projecting what she thinks a confident person is onto him & sign bashing in the process therefore building herself up. [/B][/QUOTE]
I already made it clear that this was a personal example. I didnt mean to bash anyone. That was only my opinion. I already have an identity, I don't need to build myself upon others. Only retard people do that. I know who I am and I feel great being like that. But that doesnt mean I don't have the right to state my opinion about others. I didnt judge the guy, i only said what I have noticed. I like psychology very much.[/B][/QUOTE]


If it helps at all Rosalind, I know what you're talking about completely, and have noticed that in lots of people

I think certain people are just naturally better at being able to read others. I'm studying psychology at university too

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posted April 11, 2012 03:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for virgolotus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Lonake:

Looks like yours is in H2. Maybe read up more on Saturn conj IC/or H4 if it's placed in there. But you have both Saturn & Pluto angular which strengthens them so that is a good thing. That might be part of the explanation for the way you come across vs.the way you feel internally. People tend to see angular placements quite readily. But if you have 2 angles occupied then on the surface what looks like focus or strength can internally feel like disarray due to the sq or opp there. Also Pluto sq MC might have to do w.it as well, but that would have to do more w.power struggles possibly on the job or at home.

So in other words (noob lingo) I look like Pluto but feel like Saturn? Interesting

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posted April 11, 2012 03:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^ They should both be strong. Pluto might be more apparent since it sounds like it's on ASC but Saturn is at your core (IC) at base from which you operate so it comes across as well

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okay. first of all thank you runaroundscreaming my libra moon very much likes you

after thinking about this whole situation for a few seconds, i realized i was wrong for reacting so mean just wen capriaquarius said that cappys are a load of **** if theyre not rolling in dough ****** me off, im a pretty impulsive person so my bad
and yes im young all my friends type like this its a"texting" thing

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posted April 11, 2012 05:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lava Flower     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Rosalind:
His behaviour is abnormal in my opinion. He is doing things a confident person would never do. He doesnt like to talk much about him or his surroundings, he is pretty paranoid and he is very ashamed with his past. In my opinion, this kind of behaviour shows a very insecure person. A confident person would never act like that. He is Pisces Sun, Mercury and Venus in hard aspect with Saturn. Also his Moon in Virgo.

Not to mention that he wants desperately to be liked by everyone especially by women. He always smiles even he doesnt have a reason and he seeks others approval in everything is he doing. He is an attention seeker. Insecure people are like that.


I can actually relate a lot to him. Do you know his rising?

I ALWAYS smile around people, a group of friends, when I first meet someone. And its something I absolutely cannot help. People ask me why I smile and I seriously go, "I don't know". People ask me how im doing and my automatic reply is "Great, how are you?!". Furthermore, I do not talk about my family much, My pluto is in the 4th. I do not share my feelings, my moon is in the 12th.

I can be really social, I can even be a show off, life of the party, etc. Even though I like attention and spending time with my friends, it takes a tole on my well being because people see me as strong, happy go lucky, enthusiastic and they come to me for a good time so I end up "playing that part" despite how I feel on the inside.

Its only recently that I have come to realize how that "fakeness" has been affecting me and people around me. It takes me a lot to let someone in to see that vulnerable side of me, and even when I do trust someone, I am unsure of how to express it, even though I want to badly. I do believe that people close to me can be themselves around me, they know that I am accepting and that I care, but I have worried that perhaps they wouldn't feel free to express themselves or share their feelings with me, because im that bad.

I remember in school, I felt hurt if I didn't feel like I fit in, but I NEVER made the effort to be part of anything with anyone. Sure I had friends, but I was just fine being alone too.

Anyway, I can really relate to that guy. I know that people eventually do figure out that i'm very sensitive and yes, INSECURE. It takes them a long time, but its a relief once that happens, even if I can't really be completely authentic as of yet.

As I said previously, I believe that the biggest problem is my afflicted moon n the 12th. My moon is opposed by by Saturn 0* approaching, Uranus 2*, and Neptune 8*. My 7th house ruler Uranus is conjunct Saturn (shyness, insecurity). And my sun is square my ASC 1*, so I come across super fake lol I am working on it.

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posted April 11, 2012 08:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RunAroundScreaming     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by laurenbabiiee7:
okay. first of all thank you runaroundscreaming my libra moon very much likes you

after thinking about this whole situation for a few seconds, i realized i was wrong for reacting so mean just wen capriaquarius said that cappys are a load of **** if theyre not rolling in dough ****** me off, im a pretty impulsive person so my bad
and yes im young all my friends type like this its a"texting" thing


Thanks, love. I think you're a sweetheart, that's why I defended you. And this right here proves it

And I could see you wrote that reply impulsively, not really meaning to offend her. I curse a lot in real life and have a potty mouth and call people retards and other words...haha..without meaning anything bad by it, so I understand.

And yep, it's pretty much a fad to type like that ....I see it a lot on tumblr.

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