posted April 15, 2012 06:09 PM            

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Originally posted by SmilingHeart:
What do you even mean by aggressive? Are we talking about violent women? Please use the correct terminology because the word 'feminazi' actually refers to feminists with quite logical claims and not to physically and verbally aggressive women. And yes, I know that Limbaugh coined it- just another reason to despise this word.

I think upbringing is a more important factor here because of the fact that women used to be largely submissive back in the day for the exact reason. Even women with so-called 'strong' placements.
Two of the earlier women's rights activists Margaret Sanger and Victoria Woodhull have both empty 4th houses. Maybe that's a clue.

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Lol. I think you're over-analyzing, dear.

posted April 15, 2012 07:07 PM            

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Originally posted by Capriquarius:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by aquaguy91:
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What they would like to do and they insisted I call the shots and funny thing is that a lot appeared outspoken and independent but still deffered to me as the male even though I had asked the where they would like to go.

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posted April 15, 2012 07:16 PM            

Be wary of men with this on their night stand then!

posted April 15, 2012 07:23 PM            

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Originally posted by RunAroundScreaming:
Lol. I think you're over-analyzing, dear.

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posted April 15, 2012 07:31 PM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
two girls told me straight up that I was the Guy and I needed to start acting like one ,they said guys are supposed to pick the place,and I was just kinda stunned lmao.

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posted April 15, 2012 07:51 PM            

Such a can of worms that was opened.

Anyway, I'm a Virgo and my chart ruler is Pluto (but in Libra) and I am not submissive. I want reciprocity in relationships, and I'm a fairly straight shooter with what I want (Leo Mars/Aries Moon).

And Aquaguy- I am also fairly dominant, but I usually let the guy pick where to go, since they usually are the ones spending their money (not for my lack of trying to pay for myself though- most guys just automatically pick up the tab even when I tell them that I'll pay for myself), so I tend to let them pick, UNLESS I really really do not like it. Then I'll try to suggest a different place.

I'm a feminist, but it's not about taking away men's rights at all. It's about increasing the equality of women. Like I said- reciprocity is important.

Overall, I think it's just like with sexuality- it's a spectrum thing. Some people (men or women) like to be more dominant, and some more submissive, and some fall in the middle. Simple as that.

posted April 15, 2012 08:23 PM            

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Originally posted by Lioness:
I like to play submissive, does that count?

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posted April 15, 2012 08:50 PM            

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Originally posted by RunAroundScreaming:
That was one study that claimed they have higher estrogen levels, though. The rest claim higher testoterone.

Very interested in that study about the lesbian mice lol. Please share!

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/7877774/Female- mice-can-be-turned-lesbian-by-deleting-gene.html - Lesbian mice

posted April 15, 2012 08:51 PM            

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Originally posted by SmilingHeart:
Come on now, not in that patronising tone...

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posted September 16, 2012 09:20 AM            

I think that having a feminine Moon sign and placing it in an even house (feminine house) would lead to submission.
In addition, I think feminine Mars located in the even houses would seem submissive, or at least, traditionally feminine. And no one has mentioned aspects but I think Venus-Moon aspects, Venus-Neptune aspects, Moon-Neptune, and Venus-Pluto aspects all tend to make the person softer around the edges. I also think having a lot of Neptune aspects in general would make a person submissive.

I have all the above except for Virgo.
I have Pisces Moon.
I'm early Libra rising with Jupiter, Saturn, and Pluto in the first house.
Taurus Mars in 8th house.
Venus square Moon
Venus opposite Neptune
Venus trine Pluto
Moon square Neptune
My Neptune aspects 7/10 planets

posted September 16, 2012 09:37 AM            

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Originally posted by peachbeigeblue:
I prefer being submissive/protected but it takes a very strong man to put me in that position.

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posted September 16, 2012 11:50 AM            

Moon-Uranus, especially the square. Going against the grain and not a traditional housewife or motherly type. Extremely and erratically independent often to the detriment of family, husband/kids, and or partner.

Moon-BML, especially the conjunction. This is a woman whose emotional nature is bent on independence, she won't feel comfortable being shackled down. She'll have a tendency to dark moods, mood swings and 'witchy' seductions especially if she has Venus-BML conjunction or opposition. All in all, if she has one or either she will not be able to be a traditional housewife type either, or it won't come easily to her. With the BML-Moon or BML-Venus opposition she'll uncomfortably swing back and forth between more typical Moon functions and functions tainted with BML... sort of like the woman who forces herself to be a housewife with an apron but is actually a dominatrix at night, lol.

Mars-Uranus in a woman can be an unpredictable and erratic sex drive. She seeks out thrills and unique partners and sometimes unconventional sexual experiences. If either fall in Cancer expect a possible interest in BDSM. Same with Venus-Uranus. Both planets in Cancer seem more prone to using these kinds of things to simulate bonds and closeness. But this doesn't mean she is sexually or emotionally submissive by default.

posted September 16, 2012 12:13 PM            

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Originally posted by RunAroundScreaming:
anyone with a libra rising..

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posted September 16, 2012 12:48 PM            

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Originally posted by sweet-scorpion:
If you're looking for a submissive woman, you won't find one if she has these aspects:

Moon-Uranus, especially the square. Going against the grain and not a traditional housewife or motherly type. Extremely and erratically independent often to the detriment of family, husband/kids, and or partner.

Moon-BML, especially the conjunction. This is a woman whose emotional nature is bent on independence, she won't feel comfortable being shackled down. She'll have a tendency to dark moods, mood swings and 'witchy' seductions especially if she has Venus-BML conjunction or opposition. All in all, if she has one or either she will not be able to be a traditional housewife type either, or it won't come easily to her. With the BML-Moon or BML-Venus opposition she'll uncomfortably swing back and forth between more typical Moon functions and functions tainted with BML... sort of like the woman who forces herself to be a housewife with an apron but is actually a dominatrix at night, lol.

Mars-Uranus in a woman can be an unpredictable and erratic sex drive. She seeks out thrills and unique partners and sometimes unconventional sexual experiences. If either fall in Cancer expect a possible interest in BDSM. Same with Venus-Uranus. Both planets in Cancer seem more prone to using these kinds of things to simulate bonds and closeness. But this doesn't mean she is sexually or emotionally submissive by default.

Mars-Pluto in women is also killer. She is very strong, and unafraid to use it. She bulldozes what lies in her path. She is the woman who will fight tooth and nail to survive and speak her mind. This aspect strengthens even the weakest Mars. Expect her to fight back.

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posted September 16, 2012 01:33 PM            

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Originally posted by sweet-scorpion:
If you're looking for a submissive woman, you won't find one if she has these aspects:

Moon-Uranus, especially the square. Going against the grain and not a traditional housewife or motherly type. Extremely and erratically independent often to the detriment of family, husband/kids, and or partner.

Moon-BML, especially the conjunction. This is a woman whose emotional nature is bent on independence, she won't feel comfortable being shackled down. She'll have a tendency to dark moods, mood swings and 'witchy' seductions especially if she has Venus-BML conjunction or opposition. All in all, if she has one or either she will not be able to be a traditional housewife type either, or it won't come easily to her. With the BML-Moon or BML-Venus opposition she'll uncomfortably swing back and forth between more typical Moon functions and functions tainted with BML... sort of like the woman who forces herself to be a housewife with an apron but is actually a dominatrix at night, lol.

Mars-Uranus in a woman can be an unpredictable and erratic sex drive. She seeks out thrills and unique partners and sometimes unconventional sexual experiences. If either fall in Cancer expect a possible interest in BDSM. Same with Venus-Uranus. Both planets in Cancer seem more prone to using these kinds of things to simulate bonds and closeness. But this doesn't mean she is sexually or emotionally submissive by default.

Mars-Pluto in women is also killer. She is very strong, and unafraid to use it. She bulldozes what lies in her path. She is the woman who will fight tooth and nail to survive and speak her mind. This aspect strengthens even the weakest Mars. Expect her to fight back.

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Not guaranteed, you have to take the entire chart into account. planets could be in signs that make them a submissive type, even with those aspects.

You have to remember too that aspects have multiple ways they could play out, simply because every planet and luminary symbolizes more than one thing. The Moon-Uranus could just be emotionally unstable, but very submissive.

posted September 16, 2012 02:10 PM            

I may look non-threatening, but people who really get to know me find out eventually just what a shrinking violet I'm not. I'm not as open and upfront about this side of myself, but it is definitely there. I also can be forceful or firm when need be, and can be the one who will be stirring people up when they need to be moving and acting. I may do it gently (iron fist, velvet glove, like Linda described us), but I do nudge.

posted September 16, 2012 02:16 PM            

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Not guaranteed, you have to take the entire chart into account. planets could be in signs that make them a submissive type, even with those aspects.

You have to remember too that aspects have multiple ways they could play out, simply because every planet and luminary symbolizes more than one thing. The Moon-Uranus could just be emotionally unstable, but very submissive.

And I have Mars (in Cancer) semisquare Uranus, and Venus-Uranus and you wouldn't catch me agreeing to be flogged anytime soon, sorry.

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This is a good point Gray. Indeed, where the planets fall in the chart can make a big difference. For example, about Venus and Mars in Cancer being more prone to BDSM/issues with dominance vs. submission, it seems to occur more with either or both planets falling in either the 12th or 8th houses.

I agree that Moon-Uranus could be at times submissive, but in certain areas absolutely rebellious and in no way submissive. Especially in terms of their children. I've seen it in cases with either Moon or Uranus falling in the 5th, with mothers who have pushed so far against motherhood so much as to abandon their children at some points to go for other things. So in this way, they refused to be tied down by conventional roles. But yes, sexually it doesn't guarantee rebelliousness unless other contacts are present.