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Topic: Astrology cynics, please explain this...
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Desiring Shadows
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From: UNITED STATES, BABY
Registered: Jan 2012
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posted April 19, 2012 03:31 PM
  
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Originally posted by Aquacheeka:
Oooh, I can't watch right now, I'm at work. What did Ms. Alba say?
She kept talking about how she loved to eat watermelons.. TYPICAL VENUS TAURUS LOL IP: Logged |
Aquacheeka
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From: Toronto, Canada
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posted April 19, 2012 03:35 PM
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Originally posted by Desiring Shadows:
She kept talking about how she loved to eat watermelons.. TYPICAL VENUS TAURUS LOL
lol 
What did Phillippe say? I would LOVE to know. I noticed a trend with the Virgo actors in Hollywood (those gorgeous muffins of man meat) that they all seem to chase after 19-year-olds? So that's what would give it away for me, lol. IP: Logged |
Desiring Shadows
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posted April 19, 2012 04:07 PM
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Originally posted by Aquacheeka:
lol What did Phillippe say? I would LOVE to know. I noticed a trend with the Virgo actors in Hollywood (those gorgeous muffins of man meat) that they all seem to chase after 19-year-olds? So that's what would give it away for me, lol.
Haha.
Oh, the Virgo venus/mars and sun dude? He complained about how smelly and uncomfortable the mask he had to wear when shooting a movie was. IP: Logged |
Aquacheeka
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From: Toronto, Canada
Registered: Mar 2012
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posted April 19, 2012 04:11 PM
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Originally posted by Desiring Shadows:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Aquacheeka:
What did Phillippe say? I would LOVE to know. I noticed a trend with the Virgo actors in Hollywood (those gorgeous muffins of man meat) that they all seem to chase after 19-year-olds? So that's what would give it away for me, lol.
Haha.
Oh, the Virgo venus/mars and sun dude? He complained about how smelly and uncomfortable the mask he had to wear when shooting a movie was. [/B][/QUOTE]
lol!
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BackToEarth
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posted April 19, 2012 04:19 PM
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Originally posted by Aquacheeka:
I would also recommend "The Astrology File: Scientific Proof of Astrology" by Gunter Sachs for anyone who's able to get their hands on it. That one analyzes only sun signs, but still finds correlations.
Thanks, and loved the examples of actual people you took the time to post. ------------------
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YoursTrulyAlways
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posted April 19, 2012 05:26 PM
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Sorcha
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posted April 19, 2012 06:29 PM
Sashar,Well to use your analogy to explain the way I see astrology, I would say that I see the beautiful mountain and the pretty sunset if I look one way or the other, but I'm not expecting the sun to set over the mountain. I'm basically okay if it doesn't  But I do understand what you're saying and I respect it. Edited to add: I very much agree with you that horoscopes are the main (and mainstream) reason people think astrology is a joke. I've said that for years. People don't get to know that sun signs are just a piece of the whole. IP: Logged |
Planet Queen
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posted April 19, 2012 07:48 PM
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Originally posted by Sashar:
Skeptic, not cynic. And I'm skeptical because I'm not finding anyone doing serious research into proving Astrological validity in a way that can't be discredited.A lot of wording in Astrology is vague enough to explain just about anyone. People tend to forget the times when information is wrong with descriptions and lock on to the things that are right, that's why cold reading is so interesting. But it's an illusion, the mind playing tricks on you if you will.
Yes!!! So true Sashar!
Also I noticed that astrology is used a lot on LL for people to just talk about themselves 24/7 and brag about how unique their chart is. Yet the interpretations could describe anyone. The chart I believe is a potential and it varies depending where you live, what kind of environment you grew up in and outside influences etcetera. Also it bothers me how dumbed down astrology is interpreted. That is why people latch on to stereotypes that have nothing to do with this pseudoscience. I used to be a die hard astrologer, now I'm becoming increasingly more of a sceptic. IP: Logged |
Capriquarius
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From: So. Cal
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posted April 19, 2012 07:52 PM
^ lol
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AtsXoA8p.C8DYpx3eBn8gjwjzKIX;_ylv=3?qid=20101126144923AAMuO4y IP: Logged |
katatonic
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posted April 19, 2012 07:56 PM
to the skeptics i would say, a reading depends on the wisdom (or lack of) of the reader. the chart is another matter.what hooked me on astrology was erecting charts..the actual physical drawing of them etc was a great meditative exercise for me; but when i was learning to do this and casting charts of friends and families, it didn't take long for me to see that the charts showed connections and reflected patterns and themes that dovetailed or echoed each other. as i said, interpretation is subject to the clarity of the reader. the chart is not. i have never gone for predictions or specifics in readings, but studied the energetics suggested there... IP: Logged |
Planet Queen
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posted April 19, 2012 08:37 PM
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linda-goodman.com has north node in cancer and south node in capricorn and it really is such a shame that this site has to suffer due to habitual self-righteousness of one person who happens to have started this, bent on hampering it's growth towards it's north node in exchange for his misuse of 'power' and inborn need to save face. http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AtsXoA8p.C8DYpx3eBn8gjw jzKIX;_ylv=3?qid=20101126144923AAMuO4y
Interesting... Also, I am quite versed in astrology. And I'm great at doing readings, I also used to hand draw charts. But that doesn't mean I'm still not becoming more of a skeptic. IP: Logged |
Aquacheeka
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From: Toronto, Canada
Registered: Mar 2012
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posted April 19, 2012 08:48 PM
The very thing I love most about astrology is also the same thing that sometimes inspires skepticism in me: the fact that there is always more to learn. It really is like a bottomless well of information and there can be insight in so many different individuals' interpretation of the same aspect. I love that about it but after awhile I think, aren't we getting away from its most pragmatic purpose, which is to describe the essence of a person and their general tendencies (based on the overall chart) as opposed to all of this self-contradicting minutiae wherein you never quite know the extent to which something (an aspect or a transit) is important or not?IP: Logged |
Aquacheeka
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posted April 19, 2012 08:51 PM
That's why I think it can be so tempting to just utilize sun sign astrology... it eliminates all the other "noise."IP: Logged |
MillyX
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posted April 19, 2012 08:56 PM
I love astrology because there is so many things to learn.Once you think you've figured it all out, you discover something else.Why in the world would you want to stop at sun signs?Astrology is complicated just like us human beings.IP: Logged |
Sorcha
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posted April 19, 2012 09:23 PM
Exactly MillyX - that's how I see it. Asking for astrology to perfectly explain anything is like asking a person to be exactly one way without any contradictions.We're all hypocritical sometimes and have aspects of ourselves which are not balanced or contradict each other. Think of how many branches of psychology there are or how many modalities are used in psychotherapy. This is because you can treat a room full of people who are dealing with PTSD but there is no one "right" way that will work for everyone. It depends on the person. I'm all for more research and investigation. I certainly did not feel drawn to astrology because it was neat and tidy, all wrapped up in a box. I read tons of articles, learn new things every day and ask a ton of questions. I research the best I can and sometimes take breaks from it to see if I have a different perspective. It's good to be a little skeptical if it helps you to keep learning and growing by helping you to stand back and be more objective. But having said that, there's a certain amount of intuition that I also use within the context of astrology too. IP: Logged |
Sashar
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From: Alternate timeline future
Registered: Mar 2012
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posted April 20, 2012 07:49 AM
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Originally posted by Sorcha:
I'm all for more research and investigation. I certainly did not feel drawn to astrology because it was neat and tidy, all wrapped up in a box.
Must clean... must clean Astrology. Must clean and make neat, tidy and organized. Must store in box. <-VIRGO lol
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Astrology Activism: The constant strive to not just learn the intricate details of Astrology but the desire to constantly find new ways to prove that it exists in a scientific manner.
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Sashar
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posted April 20, 2012 08:14 AM
On a side note, even though I'm skeptical about the reality of Astrology...I do think that studying it provides a net gain to the people who study it. The entertainment value being the least of these. And as long as no one tries to use it as an excuse to cause harm to another person or stereotype people, then there's nothing wrong with studying it or believing in it. If everyone only learned or pursued what was already proven to be true... there would be no imagination, no development, no invention. ------------------
Astrology Activism: The constant strive to not just learn the intricate details of Astrology but the desire to constantly find new ways to prove that it exists in a scientific manner.
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Aquacheeka
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From: Toronto, Canada
Registered: Mar 2012
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posted April 20, 2012 11:51 AM
Astrology has been extremely helpful to me as a tool in understanding myself and the outcomes of my relationships. Whether others embrace it or not, it's been invaluable to me and I'm truly grateful for it.In the past I would blame myself when the men of a certain sign would lose interest in me quickly, or deem me "too superficial" for their liking. Astrology helped me to stop resenting myself and realize that there's nothing wrong with who I am as a person, they were just looking for something different, and that's OK. Well, that, and finally falling for a guy (with a compatible sign) who thinks my personality is "just right" the way it is. IP: Logged |
Sorcha
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posted April 20, 2012 12:11 PM
"Must clean... must clean Astrology. Must clean and make neat, tidy and organized. Must store in box.
<-VIRGO lol"Bahahahaha! Well that makes a lot of sense to me on many levels. Interestingly, the men I've had relationships with who have been the most skeptical of astrology have all had Virgo Moons.
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Planet Queen
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posted April 20, 2012 12:57 PM
When I first got into astrology I was a delusional teen. In reality I was awkward and reserved. But through astrology I thought I had potential to get through this. And guess what, I did and it wasn't through astrology, but through maturity and living life with all its disappointments. I feel I've outgrown astrology now. IP: Logged |
Aquacheeka
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From: Toronto, Canada
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posted April 20, 2012 12:58 PM
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Originally posted by Planet Queen:
When I first got into astrology I was a delusional teen. In reality I was awkward and reserved. But through astrology I thought I had potential to get through this. And guess what, I did and it wasn't through astrology, but through maturity and living life with all its disappointments. I feel I've outgrown astrology now.
I'm inclined to think there's a chart progression explanation for that
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Aquacheeka
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From: Toronto, Canada
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posted April 20, 2012 01:02 PM
I don't think I'll ever truly "outgrow" astrology. There are times where it's at the forefront of my focus like it is now, and times where it slips to the back of my mind, but my awareness of and respect for it is always there, muted maybe, but always running in the background. I don't use it as a discriminatory tool but it certainly does tend to become an "explanatory" tool in retrospect for certain things. I give everyone a chance when I meet them. The fact is that the people I've attracted at certain times in my life have tended to have consistent astrological patterns. The people who've stuck around in my life (as opposed to ones I've drifted apart from) have tended to have certain astrological patterns. I don't plan it that way. It's just the way it is. Anytime you meet a friend or begin a relationship you hope that it will last. If not, well, I'm still grateful for the experience and the chance to learn something from it.IP: Logged |
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