posted April 18, 2012 05:33 PM            

So explain this. How can astrology not only provide insight into YOUR life, but also provides insight into what type of parents or children you have, based solely on your Chart only? Hmmmm???

posted April 18, 2012 05:46 PM            

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Originally posted by BackToEarth:
If you're still cynical about the truth of astrology, I'd say you've only explored the tip of the iceberg.

So explain this. How can astrology not only provide insight into YOUR life, but also provides insight into what type of parents or children you have, based solely on your Chart only? Hmmmm???

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Skeptic, not cynic. And I'm skeptical because I'm not finding anyone doing serious research into proving Astrological validity in a way that can't be discredited.

A lot of wording in Astrology is vague enough to explain just about anyone. People tend to forget the times when information is wrong with descriptions and lock on to the things that are right, that's why cold reading is so interesting. But it's an illusion, the mind playing tricks on you if you will. People can "see" things based on a chart... like if you ask a question they can explain it out based on the chart. They can also "see" things that you don't ask... and if they get it wrong, it's easily explained away by "Oh, I missed some data." But to take what people say and accurately place their chart... well, not enough study has gone into that, and it's met with all kinds of excuses. But really, that's the only way to prove it. Because anything else is just making stuff up and changing it when you're wrong.

There has yet to be a study that has testable, repeatable results based on Astrological data.

That being said, there's something to Astrology (which is why I'm a skeptic and not a cynic). I just think everyone is looking in the wrong direction... that and they're perfectly happy looking in that wrong direction because there's a ton of things to look at over there. Can't really explain it better than that though.

Also, do you think you're going to get a lot of Astrology cynics posting on an Astrology forum?

Edit: Also, please don't lynch me. It may not look like it, but really, I'm on your side.

posted April 18, 2012 08:29 PM            

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Originally posted by MillyX:
I don't think there are astrology cynics on LL.
Never came across them on here. Thank goodness

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posted April 18, 2012 08:38 PM            

While you are at it, perhaps you can tell me about my life, especially the parts that I haven't shared.

Nothing to be cynical about, but I remain very skeptical.

posted April 18, 2012 08:57 PM            

I think it depends on the way you see astrology. If you expect it to be a cold, hard science like math where the answer is always the same, then I think you're likely to be disappointed. I personally see it more like a language that intertwines aspects of math and needs to be interpreted, taking into account that exact person for the most part. I do agree though that it would awesome to see certain theories tested and repeated but I believe that it all comes down to individual people and what they choose to do with the energy of their charts (free will)

I think that aspects in a chart represent a certain energy, and combined with other aspects in the chart make for a whole bunch of individual energies which are connected for that person (or not so much ). Each one of those energies created by that aspect have ways of being played out that will depend on the individual - and what I mean by that is that there is the "typical" or generic way that Sun square Pluto plays out, but there is also the more evolved way and the less evolved way. Same energy, different way of manifesting it.

Another thing to consider is that there are so many ways to read the same thing in a person's chart, if it's a recurring pattern or theme especially. I recall a message board years ago where someone challenged astrologers to figure out what someone had recently gone through in their lives (based on transits and one natal chart I think?) and then to explain exactly what lead them to their conclusions. It was amazing how many people saw the same thing, but what had lead them to that conclusion were different patterns in the chart which were all astrologically accurate.

So I don't know if any of that resonates with you or if I'm just babbling happily away, but when I read your post it made me think of that.

posted April 18, 2012 09:23 PM            

Astrology doesn't have to be "the word" for everyone. Just like personality theories (of which I put a ton of stock into) will not be for everyone. That's ok, they have other ways to learn and grow. Of those, it's very likely we won't understand all of them either.

posted April 18, 2012 11:04 PM            

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Originally posted by Sorcha:
If you expect it to be a cold, hard science like math where the answer is always the same, then I think you're likely to be disappointed.

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posted April 18, 2012 11:25 PM            

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Originally posted by Aquacheeka:
The other day I saw that new movie "Cabin in the Woods." There is a really beautiful actress in the movie, I took one look at her nose and said to myself, "Sadge." I got home and looked her up from the IMDB cast list (her name is Amy Acker). It turned out she is a Sadge.

Then again, maybe that's just me. I am an Aquarian with a Pisces moon - that's a lot of psychic energy for one chart.

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posted April 19, 2012 12:42 AM            

Alessandra brossio sun,venus and mars aries http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlq3i1c4AwQ

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Jessica Alba sun , venus and mars taurus http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O13xB8yySlM

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Yasmine Bleeth sun,venus and mars gemini http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGcgpYKFclE&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdDZvCuIBjA

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Jorja Fox sun,venus and mars cancer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWaf9a4llpE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfx69gr5Dno&feature=related

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Billy Bob Thornton sun venus and mars leo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wC-oJvgNrl0&feature=fvst

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Ryan Phillippee sun venus mars virgo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ra3XTQrE3V8&feature=fvst

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Michael Ballack sun,venus,mars libra http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1sYsTJqHbA

Bill clinton venus,mars,asc libra
sun leo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wl-xMTXDZxE

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Leonardo dicaprio sun,venus,mars scorpio http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESORicV4Dto

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Annasohphia Robb sun,venus,mars sagittarius http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fU2GCv0VqA

Ann Coulter sun,venus,mars sagittarius http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fU2GCv0VqA

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Jim carrey sun,venus,mars capricorn http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E48xYnhNipg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWP-lQxaczg

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Jennifer Jason Leigh sun,moon, mc, venus,mars in aquarius http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbTEekDV3Jw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgd_1bQrrXA

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Patrick Duffy sun,venus,mars pisces http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jh3SFb2npnY

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posted April 19, 2012 07:57 AM            

If Astrology is fact then it is the equal and opposite of what people think of as Science (not occult or religion). I've used the term math to describe what I'm looking for in Astrology... but that isn't the right term, not really. Since science is predominantly based on math, then what I'm looking for is the Astrological equivalent of math. Equal and opposite... it's there, I can taste it.

I keep a skeptics eye on Astrology because it keeps it from being put in a box. It doesn't fit in either of the boxes I want to put it in anyway. But as long as it isn't in a box, then it is in a constant state of fluctuation... and that makes it easier to see what's missing. Keeping a skeptics eye on it also means taking nay sayers seriously and examining their information... because those are the people that point the direction to your answers. (On a side note: Because of that, I've come to the conclusion that Astrologys greatest enemy in getting public acceptance is horoscopes).

The points you brought up are good points, but I'd still label them as excuses (though not in a mean way)... they explain why it's difficult. But difficult does not mean impossible.

RunAround, I'm going to have to check out that book.

posted April 19, 2012 01:10 PM            

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Originally posted by RunAroundScreaming:
look at michael gauquelin's research in "The case for astrology" by John Anthony 'west. The book is in your library. He was a statistician who proved astrology....

but, of course, nobody seems to know about him for some reason...*shrugs*

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posted April 19, 2012 01:43 PM            

i.e: pisces in the last video says something about "ive always wanted to fly.." Then Jim Carrey talks about his goals and does a bunch of preplanned humorous acts. The scorpio treats it like its a serious matter/taks about all of the behind the scenes work he has to do and how he is very selective in his work... the leo seems to be having a good time/jokes around creatively.. the sagittarius video is a politican and a religious person and fights for her opinions.. etc.

posted April 19, 2012 03:00 PM            

So, whatcha mean there are no skeptics peeking in? Some even challenge us! What about people searching for discussions about a specific problem who read our gorgeous loving posts & want to participate for the first time?

Even if we welcome ONE new skeptic, it's worth it.

As for "scientific" proof, you cannot diagnose someone with schizophrenia or depression by examining a drop of their blood or the length of their hair. You have to learn the art of Observation.

I like to think we're training to be super great observers, and it's a lifelong neverending process!

This easily parallels Jung and Symbology as well. Depends how deep you want to go. Maybe it's too deep for ya.

YoursTrulyAlways -

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If I were to post my chart, would you please tell me about my parents and my children? I'm highly curious now.... Nothing to be cynical about, but I remain very skeptical.

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Go for it!

RunAroundScreaming -

Love your UserName! Ha Ha! Did a Lindaland search, and the book's been mentioned a few times. Don't give up, if you believe in the book, "The Case for Astrology" by John Anthony, keep making the case. I'll check it out, and others will too. Thank you.

posted April 19, 2012 03:29 PM            

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Originally posted by Desiring Shadows:
Thats funny , Aquacheeka!
If you notice in the videos that I listed all of the peoples sun signs leave a subtle message..

i.e: pisces in the last video says something about "ive always wanted to fly.." Then Jim Carrey talks about his goals and does a bunch of preplanned humorous acts. The scorpio treats it like its a serious matter/taks about all of the behind the scenes work he has to do and how he is very selective in his work... the leo seems to be having a good time/jokes around creatively.. the sagittarius video is a politican and a religious person and fights for her opinions.. etc.

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