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Topic: What are some cheating aspects/placements?
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Lonake
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posted April 21, 2012 05:36 PM
  
In Cap & Saturn its dispositor is conj Mars.
Mars conj Saturn is a big factor in remaining faithful since it controls the sex drive.
I don't think one of them wins, the Neptune or the Saturn conj.
They both factor in because Mars cannot act without Saturn and Neptune since it is conj to both.
Maybe it means fantasies of big age differences or dominating/submisssive inclinations.
It could go a few ways. Depends on the person.I will say from my experience,
I have Mars conj Saturn and an outer planet.
And sometimes I feel just the Mars/Saturn, and sometimes I feel just the Mars/Pluto,
and sometimes they're all combined.
I wouldn't say that either Saturn or Pluto win for me. In the end, it acts as a stellium.
And it's in Libra, so its dispositor is Venus which is in Capricorn, and its sq Mars/Saturn/Pluto.
Never cheated in my life and never will.
But I don't have Neptune or Uranus factoring in  IP: Logged |
Aquacheeka
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posted April 21, 2012 06:14 PM
This is one of those times (it happens on occasion) where I feel astrology crosses roads with biology.Studies have shown that infidelity in men varies by income and cultural/racial background, and that women with higher estrogen levels, lower hip-to-waist ratios and who are ovulating are all more likely to cheat. In addition, in a famous controlled experiment, sociologists were able to create a scenario in which attached people were more likely to accept the phone numbers of an attractive 'other' after they deliberately taxed their willpower all day: http://www.scienceofrelationships.com/home/2011/11/1/a-time-to-cheat-how-situations-promote-infidelity.html. It's the exact same result with the marshmallow experiment which found that people have limited reserves of willpower and appear to literally run out if their willpower 'muscle' is exhausted: http://lifehacker.com/5662132/youve-got-a-limited-supply-of-willpower-so-use-it-wisely, http://leisureguy.wordpress.com/2012/01/31/self-control-and-finite-willpower-reserves/. I'm not convinced that astrology has much to do with this. I think it's not putting yourself in those positions in the first place where something could happen. IP: Logged |
Aquacheeka
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posted April 21, 2012 06:23 PM
But having said this, I recognize that peachbeigeblue isn't talking about one-offs but long-term cheaters, which is different entirely. Perhaps that's where the astrological influence might come in; some people being less inclined to transparency/openness than others.IP: Logged |
Choc
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posted April 21, 2012 06:27 PM
I am a Cancerian through and through but I have Venus in Gemini, very late 8th House, plus a Venus/Uranus opposition.
I won't deny that I have thought in the past how restrictive it can be to be exlusively attached to just one partner at a time/the rest of my life but for me, cheating is almost a sin. This combo just makes me more tolerable & understanding of "grey" situations in romantic affairs.IP: Logged |
SerpeantKing
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posted April 21, 2012 07:12 PM
cant really say what an aspect is for someone who would cheat. i can definitely point out that saturn in the 1st house people will almost never cheat. saturn in the 12th house could possibly mean a cheater-from what i understand-the 12th house is what we unconciously avoid doing. the most important aspect of a relationship staying together is good saturn aspects within it. saturn means our responsibility to our relationship. IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted April 21, 2012 07:14 PM
This is an astro forum, OP asked about cheating aspects/placements. We're not talking here about biology, we're looking at the natal, thinking about a natal of someone we don't even know. The same way if you go into a biology/science forum about this subject, they're not going to be concerned with what the natal chart says. They'd just laugh.And regarding transparency/openness, MANY cheaters are v.honest in their intentions. They typically lie to their primary partner, but to the new person they're typically honest. So let's be careful when we use those terms if we want to be specific. IP: Logged |
Aquacheeka
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posted April 21, 2012 07:15 PM
Just offering my opinion! I'm sure I'm not the first poster to go a little bit off-topic and I don't think it requires a reprimand or a "laugh." There's always the option of skipping over a post that doesn't hold any relevance to a person but I can see how some individuals might have more trouble canning it/withholding judgment or trying to control the direction of a post than others.
Had I been droning on and on with several posts that are off-topic I could understand why a gentle reminder to steer back on track might be necessary, sure.
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Lonake
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posted April 21, 2012 07:16 PM
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Originally posted by SerpeantKing:
i can definitely point out that saturn in the 1st house people will almost never cheat.
Why would you say this is, may I ask? I don't have Saturn in the 1st, just curious re:the definite stance  I agree H12 could be another factor. Venus/H12 notorious for secret affairs, as a strong factor.
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Lonake
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posted April 21, 2012 07:18 PM
There's no laugh. Just trying to keep things separate here for continuity. Science/Astro aren't a compatible mix.
The SCIENCE community on the other hand, they are the ones who would be laughing.IP: Logged |
YoursTrulyAlways
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posted April 21, 2012 11:13 PM
Hey.. I have both Saturn and Venus in H12 and in Aquarius no less. Where do you get the idea that its prone to cheating??IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted April 21, 2012 11:15 PM
O my dear, my dearrrrrr YTA,
If it does not apply to you in your life,
do not bother with it.
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YoursTrulyAlways
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posted April 21, 2012 11:48 PM
Then, wouldn't it be the case of a few jacka$$es creating an ill reputation for the masses? I can base my observation on the masses based on the actions of one bozo, but how fair would that be? Notwithstanding my exclusion of myself, are you suggesting that the majority of the millions of people in this world with Venus or Saturn in H12 are cheaters? IP: Logged |
Faith
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posted April 22, 2012 12:08 AM
Ian, sorry to butt in---Do you see what I mean Lonake? Instead of saying quote:
Venus/H12 notorious for secret affairs, as a strong factor.
...why not consider softening your message and using qualifiers, like so: quote:
Venus/H12 can be a factor sometimes.
No need to say they are already notorious for it. That's just pouring fuel on the fire. IP: Logged |
peachbeigeblue
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posted April 22, 2012 12:30 AM
I think the point of this forum is to discuss ideas, theories, experiences, and debate. This isn't yahoo answers. This is a forum. I read the homepage and I think that's part of what it's for. It's ok for someone to make an astrology generalization on here and even better to find that the generalization doesn't apply to everyone. I just made this topic for insight to find out the specifics about people who feel compelled to cheat. I know it doesn't mean they will. :-/ IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted April 22, 2012 12:51 AM
I will refer interested parties to this thread for my say on the matter.  IP: Logged |
Faith
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posted April 22, 2012 11:17 PM
^ It seems like you are saying that you are never wrong. IP: Logged |
Ann7
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posted April 23, 2012 01:10 AM
What about moon in the 8th or 8th house placements in general?IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted April 23, 2012 02:43 AM
Hello Faith, that would be your perception 
I encourage you to re-visit the topic as I've clarified my approach to this issue  IP: Logged |
popcorn
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posted April 23, 2012 04:09 AM
1,Venus in gemini
2 venus aspect to uranus.Ive venus in gemini and sometimes felt I will cheat but Ive never cheat. My venus conj mars trine to saturn stop. The most cheating person I know have his venus conj uranus in gemini in square to mars in libra. IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted April 23, 2012 04:18 AM
Good point, popcorn.
I'll add in the most notorious cheater I've known,Sun/Venus in Aquarius, conjunct (Venus is DSC ruler)
Mars in Aquarius sq Neptune in Scorpio
Uranus didn't aspect the personals, save for a trine to the Moon
Neptune just aspected Mars, as a personal
Jup in Gemini in the 8th, maybe qualifies, maybe not
The Aquarius placements were in the 3rd, which gives them a 'roaming, out and about' quality
Nothing in 11th or 12th.
Scorp rising, Scorp Neptune in the 1st Also *big* 'controlled' problem with alcohol/drugs and likes the party atmosphere,
also has dated porn stars. He likes being in that environment.
So Neptune plays into it heavily, for him. The desire to escape reality. IP: Logged |
Rosalind
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posted April 23, 2012 04:25 AM
Regarding Saturn in 1st house. I have this placement and yes I never cheated and I absolutely hate the idea of cheating or being cheated.IP: Logged |
sand
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posted April 23, 2012 05:28 AM
i am a saturn in h1 too. hypothetically i could. i mean y shud i be exempt from that based on this placement alone? i have moon square venus as well but they are in fixed signs. it's not the easiest to say no for me. i know that. so i try not to ever be in situations where i am likely to do so.IP: Logged |
amowls**
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posted April 23, 2012 02:28 PM
Everyone has different reasons for cheating, too. There's the compulsive cheater, the cheater who feels they're entitled to sex whenever they want it and people who do it because their current partner makes them unhappy but for whatever reason they can't leave.I have typical cheating placements (Aqua Sun, Gem Rising, Mars in Sag, Venus square Uranus) and I've only cheated on one boyfriend (out of many). IP: Logged |
butterflyxoxxo
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posted April 28, 2012 10:34 AM
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Originally posted by Nine:
My question is, is it really cheating? Or is monogamy a flawed construct? It all seems like a Scorpio double standard - demanding sexual fidelity at home while prowling the night for action. The slutty Scorpio mom who gives it up to all comers, but is enraged & neuters the young once they bud sexually. Cheater for sure. Loose sexual boundaries.
First, how is everyone classifying cheating? Emotional/physical: quiet dinner with coworker, steamy e-mails,kissing, holding hands, sex? To me it depends more on the scope of deceit and in general... Cheating is an integrity issue. I will not even dream of being with anyone else if committed. All my passion is focused on one person. Even when single, I prefer maybe 3 intense connections than several. That all being said I understand that sometimes sex is just a release. sun/moon/venus/puto in scorpio saturn in capricorn h1 IP: Logged |
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