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YoursTrulyAlways
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posted May 01, 2012 09:45 AM
  
My Sun is in the 11th House is in Capricorn, ruled by Saturn in the 12th House in Aquarius.My 5th House is in Cancer, ruled by my Moon in the 3rd/4th House in Gemini. What does it say about adoption for me? IP: Logged |
Hera
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posted May 01, 2012 09:53 AM
Did you adopt, Ian? Your sons sure look a lot like you!  IP: Logged |
Rosalind
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posted May 01, 2012 09:53 AM
If you want me to make interpretations, POST THE NATAL CHART. IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted May 01, 2012 10:06 AM
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Originally posted by Hera:
LOL What's that face for (!) Are you scared now, haha.
Anyway just based off of that it looks like a H4,5,9,11 involvement,
home, child, courts, hope/benevolence..which isn't too surprising.
Both charts I posted never had biological children.
But an empty 5th does not on its own equate to no biological child, so that's an important distinction to make. Just the same as an empty 4th does not mean a person will be homeless, etc.
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YoursTrulyAlways
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posted May 01, 2012 10:17 AM
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Originally posted by Hera:
Did you adopt, Ian? Your sons sure look a lot like you!
No.. my sons are natural. I would like two or three adopted daughters though. My wife and I lost two daughters, so I can't expect her to go through that again. IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted May 01, 2012 10:24 AM
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Hera
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posted May 01, 2012 10:28 AM
(((((YTA)))))I am sorry to hear that!  I imagine it must have been very traumatic for both of you... IP: Logged |
Hera
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posted May 01, 2012 10:30 AM
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Originally posted by Rosalind:
If you want me to make interpretations, POST THE NATAL CHART.
Not sure if you were talking to me or YTA, but here it's mine! And thank you for taking a look!  IP: Logged |
YoursTrulyAlways
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posted May 01, 2012 10:34 AM
I cannot post charts at work. Sorry. You'll have to rely on a link. http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum28/HTML/000929.html There are also more diplomatic ways of making the request. IP: Logged |
Hera
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posted May 01, 2012 10:38 AM
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Originally posted by Lonake:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Hera:
LOL What's that face for (!) Are you scared now, haha.[/QUOTE]I am, to be honest! I would be worried if I wasn't scared, lol! I think it is a huge responsibility and I don't intend to take it lightly. I am also a little apprehensive about being a single parent and worried they might consider me unfit. I am worried if I am indeed ready for this, if I'm going to be a good mom, how I'm going to react when they go all crazy and break stuff around the house, if I have the right values to pass on and many, many others.
I can't be so selfish as to do this if I won't consider I can truly handle it and always act in my child's best interest. IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted May 01, 2012 10:59 AM
Embrace the chaos & stash the valuables  IP: Logged |
Rosalind
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posted May 01, 2012 12:41 PM
Hera I need to know if you already made any adoption. You have 2 important things in your 11th house that indicate a possible adoption. You have BOTH planets Neptune and Moon at 29 degrees in your 11th house. Those degrees are very significant for you. The ruler of your 5th house is in 2nd. The ruler of 11th house is in 10th house. If the adoption didnt take place yet, definitely it will. NN in 5th house is an indicator you have a karma regarding children.IP: Logged |
Faith
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posted May 01, 2012 01:04 PM
^ Neat!Hera, this is my unsolicited opinion about adopting children without a spouse: There are children living in orphanages and they can be rescued by loving people such as you, who are willing to provide for them and love them and guide them to a better life. If there is anything wrong with this, I have no idea what it could be. They are in orphanages. They NEED people to take care of them, and it doesn't have to be perfect, they just need love and the basics of a good life. 
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Hera
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posted May 01, 2012 01:31 PM
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Originally posted by Lonake:
Embrace the chaos & stash the valuables
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Hera
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posted May 01, 2012 01:42 PM
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Originally posted by Rosalind:
Hera I need to know if you already made any adoption. You have 2 important things in your 11th house that indicate a possible adoption. You have BOTH planets Neptune and Moon at 29 degrees in your 11th house. Those degrees are very significant for you. The ruler of your 5th house is in 2nd. The ruler of 11th house is in 10th house. If the adoption didnt take place yet, definitely it will. NN in 5th house is an indicator you have a karma regarding children.
Thank you, Rosalind! Nope, the adoption hasn't taken place yet. I have always thought about it, planning to do it, always projected it some time in the future. Well, maybe it's because of my Saturn return, but I feel pretty together and stable and was hoping that time has come. 
I know I have karma regarding children. I came very close to being a child psychiatrist because of that. I chose a different speciality though because I didn't think I would be able to remain detached from my patients and that would have interfered with my work. I have been in orphanages growing up and spent time with abandoned children. I was not abandoned myself, but neglected, and though it is not the same thing, I can relate emotionally to them. I have studied psychology, esp child psychology because I want to be ready. Abandoned children are very fragile emotionally and have trust and anger issues that need to be understood. I believe, emotionally, I am up for it.
I am hoping to get a promotion this summer and be a better candidate for adoption. The fact that I am a doctor will probably weight in my favor a lot, but I am single and though I can support myself financially, I want to make sure I can support a child too. After I get the job, I will apply and pray they will give me a cute little angel to love and protect! IP: Logged |
Hera
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posted May 01, 2012 01:46 PM
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Originally posted by Faith:
^ Neat!Hera, this is my unsolicited opinion about adopting children without a spouse: There are children living in orphanages and they can be rescued by loving people such as you, who are willing to provide for them and love them and guide them to a better life. If there is anything wrong with this, I have no idea what it could be. They are in orphanages. They NEED people to take care of them, and it doesn't have to be perfect, they just need love and the basics of a good life.
Thank you, Faith! I hope the people from child services will think so, too! Every child deserves a secure environment and to feel the love of a family! IP: Logged |
starmoon
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posted May 01, 2012 02:22 PM
my 11H is packed - a stellium of 7 planets all in libra including sun, mars, mercury, pluto, uranus, and i would only adopt, never have kids (i'm 38). my current long-term bf is the only man i have ever dated that didn't have kids. so, taking on the role of stepmom would have been ok with me too. my H5 and H7 are empty and i think my cappy moon has never made me maternal in the sense of wanting to give birth myselfIP: Logged |
Aquacheeka
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posted May 01, 2012 02:23 PM
I'm CF so this is a moot point, but I believe that I would be more amenable to adoption than childbearing if having kids is what I wanted to do.IP: Logged |
Rosalind
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posted May 01, 2012 02:27 PM
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Originally posted by Aquacheeka:
I'm CF so this is a moot point, but I believe that I would be more amenable to adoption than childbearing if having kids is what I wanted to do.
What is CF? IP: Logged |
Hera
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posted May 01, 2012 02:29 PM
Rosalind, you're in Romania?  Just noticed now. I am too. IP: Logged |
amowls**
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posted May 01, 2012 02:36 PM
CF is child free.I'm on the fence about children. I would rather much adopt as I don't want to be pregnant. If I were a dude I would probably be more open to biological kids lol. So yes, if I decide to have kids, I'm probably going to adopt. 5th house Moon in Libra, Pluto in Scorpio. 5th house cusp in Libra, Venus in 10th in Pisces conjunct NN square ASC, Saturn, Uranus. IP: Logged |
Rosalind
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posted May 01, 2012 03:07 PM
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Originally posted by amowls**:
CF is child free.I'm on the fence about children. I would rather much adopt as I don't want to be pregnant. If I were a dude I would probably be more open to biological kids lol. So yes, if I decide to have kids, I'm probably going to adopt. 5th house Moon in Libra, Pluto in Scorpio. 5th house cusp in Libra, Venus in 10th in Pisces conjunct NN square ASC, Saturn, Uranus.
Moon in Libra in 5th house shows 1 baby maximum 2. Libra is a semifertile sign and moist. But the ruler is in 10th house. In my experience, people who have their 5th house ruler in the houses on top (10th, 11th, 12th) rather adopt than having their own. I have the ruler of my 5th house in 5th. I may sound selfish but I never wanted to adopt but to have biological children.
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RegardesPlatero
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posted May 01, 2012 04:40 PM
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Originally posted by Lonake:
I talk fast anyway, so I guess I type that way too.
For example, say a step child,
A step child is a child that your partner had with someone previous to you.
Your partner is ruled by your 7th, in general.
So your 8th, is the personal resources (2nd) of your partner.
Your 9th relates to your partner's siblings, cos it's their 3rd
Your 10th is your partner's roots/home life, since it's their 4th
So your 11th is your partner's child, and primarily their 1st child, before meeting you, since that child is primarily the partner's responsibility and you were not in the picture at the time, you were not responsible for the child.
All the children that you are responsible for are generally ruled by your 5th, your 5th also rules your attitude to children in general, values that you want to instill in them, your basic relationship with them, but it changes with each one. Your 5th is your 1st child, but your 7th is your 1st child's 1st sibling (3rd), so that would be your 2nd child, etc.
Maybe that is more clear (?)
That is a LOT more clear, thanks! IP: Logged |
RegardesPlatero
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posted May 01, 2012 04:49 PM
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Originally posted by Faith:
^ Neat!Hera, this is my unsolicited opinion about adopting children without a spouse: There are children living in orphanages and they can be rescued by loving people such as you, who are willing to provide for them and love them and guide them to a better life. If there is anything wrong with this, I have no idea what it could be. They are in orphanages. They NEED people to take care of them, and it doesn't have to be perfect, they just need love and the basics of a good life.
I would say as long as they have the emotional and financial resources to do this, single-parent adoption is fine. Mainly, my concerns would be that they are prepared, can secure safe and reliable child care (since they don't have someone else at home who could provide child care), and that they have a supportive extended family. If the child has emotional, behavioral, physical, mental, or psychological problems, of course the family should be equipped to deal with that and be able to access resources. And, of course, that the parent is sound and stable and a good person, all of that jazz.
Basically, a long-winded way of saying that I'm not against single-parent adoption, and that I'd apply the same standards to a two-parent adoption. I'd just worry about a single parent a little more since it would be harder, but I would not rule out a single parent as a potential adopter, male or female. I'm also fine with same-sex couples adopting and feel that they should have the same rights as opposite-sex couples. At the end of the day, a stable, financially secure, loving, home with authoritative parents (not draconian, not permissive, but the right balance between rules/structure and fun times) is what I personally feel is best, though as a childfree person my opinion is that of an 'outsider'. Parents should be nurturing, caring, emotionally and mentally sound, and have good character. If those conditions are met, it doesn't matter, in my opinion, if those parents are two men, two women, one man, one woman, or a man and a woman. It doesn't matter if they're biologically related or not, or if they're actual parents, aunts and uncles, cousins, or family friends. What matters, to me, is that the home is the right one. IP: Logged |
RegardesPlatero
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posted May 01, 2012 04:53 PM
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Originally posted by Hera:
I'm not sure if I am ready, either. I am hunting a better job, perhaps after that I will get my file in order and submit my application. I always thought I would adopt, even if I'd have children of my own. I don't know why, but this is very strong with me. Still, I am single and though singles can adopt in my country, it feels like I am being unfair to the child depriving him/her of a father figure. But maybe that will come along too, eventually! 
Even if you don't have a male partner, you can still have male role models. If you have a dad, brother, or good male friends, those are places to start. And, too, once the child goes to school, maybe teachers and coaches too. So, you're not 'depriving': you'll just have to get a bit creative. IP: Logged | |
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