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hannaramaa
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posted June 17, 2012 03:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by RegardesPlatero:
person isn't a Capricorn, just has planets there

It really, really, really hurts me to be deliberately avoided and ignored. Again, I feel bad for that person, though. Hate just holds you back. It's one thing if someone like molested you, threatened you, or burned down your house or something, but for someone to deliberately avoid you for no reason is just outright mean and hateful.

The thing is, I haven't even done anything. I don't deserve to be treated like that.

Deliberately avoiding someone and ignoring someone--again, unless they threaten you, which I have NEVER EVER done to this person--is hateful. It is done intentionally to hurt me. There is no other meaning. It is meant to say, "I don't like you".


Sigh. I avoid the Libra girl at work. I avoid people I don't like all the time. It's not as hateful as things she could say or do to you... just blow it off.

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posted June 17, 2012 03:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RegardesPlatero     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I honestly would rather have someone scream at me or slap me than avoid me.

Avoiding a person sends a very hateful message to them.

I myself use silence as a weapon when I am hurt. It's effective. It does hurt. And I really don't think that anyone can argue that it's rude.

At this point, I simply will not speak to her unless she apologizes for acting like that. I didn't do anything to deserve being treated that way. She is being incredibly hateful and hurtful to me by acting like that.

I've tried to be nice to her, too.

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posted June 17, 2012 03:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by RegardesPlatero:
I honestly would rather have someone scream at me or slap me than avoid me.

Avoiding a person sends a very hateful message to them.

I myself use silence as a weapon when I am hurt. It's effective. It does hurt. And I really don't think that anyone can argue that it's rude.

At this point, I simply will not speak to her unless she apologizes for acting like that. I didn't do anything to deserve being treated that way. She is being incredibly hateful and hurtful to me by acting like that.

I've tried to be nice to her, too.


Sure, if dwelling on negative things works for you then have at it.

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posted June 17, 2012 03:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RegardesPlatero     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm not dwelling. I just feel hurt right now that someone would be so rude to me like that, especially when I've tried to be nice. I don't understand it, frankly. If I haven't done anything intentionally to offend someone, they should not have a problem with me. That just makes no sense at all. They don't have to love me or be my BFF, but they should at least be polite.

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posted June 17, 2012 03:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by RegardesPlatero:
I'm not dwelling. I just feel hurt right now that someone would be so rude to me like that, especially when I've tried to be nice. I don't understand it, frankly. If I haven't done anything intentionally to offend someone, they should not have a problem with me. That just makes no sense at all. They don't have to love me or be my BFF, but they should at least be polite.

But you're only seeing it through your eyes, and that she's not being polite by your standards. For one, a Capricorn won't change until they decide to do so. They're very stubborn. Two, you're being very Libra/Cancer right now thinking of ways to affect her (with your silence, etc.) the truth is she's affecting you more than she needs to. If someone wants to act like that, just let them. It shouldn't even be mentioned or matter (I'm sorry you're hurt, it's just that...well, you shouldn't be hurt.) because you don't matter to them. So really, there's no reason to care what someone else thinks when they're not vital to your well being anyway.

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posted June 17, 2012 03:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RegardesPlatero     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm really trying to not be self-hating now.

It doesn't mean that it doesn't sting a little.

Talking about things helps me get over them. It also helps me sort out when I am being unfair or overreacting, and when I am perfectly justified in feeling hurt.

And as for standards, I honestly have zero idea how anyone, Libran or not, would find it not rude. As I said, I have not done anything intentionally to hurt this person, have NEVER threatened this person, have honestly never wished harm or anything like that. In all honesty, I actually think that this person has good qualities and, if this person wasn't being hateful and cruel to me, I would have a good opinion of this person. I don't hate this person, but I do not like this person's behavior and I find it really offensive, especially since I have tried to be nice to this person.

If someone feels that deliberately avoiding someone is not rude (and I am NOT talking about cases in which a person does it out of fear/threat because that is not the case here), I honestly would like them to explain it, because it makes no logical sense to me.

Avoiding someone tells them that you find them creepy, don't like them, and that you do not appreciate them or their time. How is that NOT intended as offensive? It absolutely is meant to hurt.

I'd also like to have it explained to me why I shouldn't be hurt when someone acts hateful to me.

I shouldn't let it destroy me, but it doesn't mean that I can't feel something about it.

And it DOES hurt to be hated and not matter to people.

Am I going to let it get to me to the point that I hate myself? No. But it still stings, it's still mean, and it's still hateful.

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posted June 17, 2012 04:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by RegardesPlatero:
Again, I feel bad for that person, though. Hate just holds you back.

It's not hate, at least not for me. Realistically speaking, time is finite, so are other resources, so they can only be allocated in certain directions. It's really not personal, more a matter of priorities I suppose.

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posted June 17, 2012 04:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RegardesPlatero     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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It's not hate, at least not for me. Realistically speaking, time is finite, so are other resources, so they can only be allocated in certain directions. It's really not personal, more a matter of priorities I suppose.

Well, like I said, I'm going to try not to let it get to me. I do feel hurt, but I'm handling it better right now than I would have in the past.

If someone is going be like that, it says a lot about them, not me.

I'm hoping that I'll feel better about things tomorrow. Right now, just trying to distract myself and keep myself upbeat and happy.

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posted June 17, 2012 04:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Your strong reaction to it, is evidence of you taking it personally, and likely it's not even meant that way. But OK, whatever floats your boat.

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posted June 17, 2012 04:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RegardesPlatero     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Lonake:
Your strong reaction to it, is evidence of you taking it personally, and likely it's not even meant that way. But OK, whatever floats your boat.

Well, if by personally you mean that I'm hurt by it, then yes.

But, as I said, I'm trying to handle it better than I've handled other things in the past. I'm not going into deep depression and anxiety mode--which I would have done over something like this, in the past.

This whole "me feeling like I'm OK" thing is new to me. I'm not 100% there 100% of the time.

Right now, I don't feel as hurt as I would have had this happened a few weeks ago. It's hurt, but not as intense as it would have been previously. I consider it a step forward.

I'm hoping that by tomorrow, I won't be thinking about it.

I actually do feel a little better, having talked about it. I appreciate your time and hanna's.

Honestly, I admire people who don't get upset by things like this: I don't understand how/why they don't, but I wish that I was there. I'm not yet. I have to keep working on it.

To be fair, I do have strong water in my chart. Maybe I am sensitive. I don't want to erase that about myself, as I don't think that it's a bad thing. I just have to tame it and put it to better/more constructive use rather than anxiety, worry, and depression.

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posted June 17, 2012 04:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Awhl rite, so you're doin the Libra life's work basically of trying to achieve a balance here. I can respect that. It swings you way to one side then the other, or no? I have a Libra stellium so I can somewhat relate, finding inner harmony. Plus I have Moon conj Venus so that is another thing I like to keep, a nice happy inner equilibrium, and it's in Cap, so I try to stay centered within myself.

No, I don't think being sensitive is bad at all, it can do many good things for you and for others.

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posted June 17, 2012 05:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RegardesPlatero     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Awhl rite, so you're doin the Libra life's work basically of trying to achieve a balance here. I can respect that. It swings you way to one side then the other, or no?

YES.

It really, really does. Having four water planets only adds to that. I do have earth and fire too, but I really feel my air and water the strongest.

Thank you for being understanding about that.

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posted June 17, 2012 06:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Any time.

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posted June 17, 2012 07:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pirate7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have sun in cap and venus in aquarius. I'm painfully shy, but I don't know if is because of my sun, and yes because of my ascendant - virgo rising with a 0º sextille with pluto.

Rising sign is what makes people's 1st impression, so it may have to do with shyness

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posted June 17, 2012 09:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Avoiding someone tells them that you find them creepy, don't like them, and that you do not appreciate them or their time. How is that NOT intended as offensive?

Or... it means they don't know what to say to you and feel awkward around you because of their own insecurities. Or maybe they like you (assuming it's ever happened with a guy) but feel uncomfortable or afraid they're going to say something stupid, or they just don't feel like talking or they're not even avoiding you and it happens to look that way by chance. The possibilities of what's running through someone's mind are endless, and you can't just chalk it up to it being personal just because you think so, and call it a day. That's also not saying go out of your way to find out as things will unfold and happen in their own time. But to care this much is a waste of your own energy. Someday you'll get "there" though, I believe in you being able to do that.

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posted June 18, 2012 04:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RegardesPlatero     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Or... it means they don't know what to say to you and feel awkward around you because of their own insecurities. Or maybe they like you (assuming it's ever happened with a guy) but feel uncomfortable or afraid they're going to say something stupid, or they just don't feel like talking or they're not even avoiding you and it happens to look that way by chance. The possibilities of what's running through someone's mind are endless, and you can't just chalk it up to it being personal just because you think so, and call it a day. That's also not saying go out of your way to find out as things will unfold and happen in their own time. But to care this much is a waste of your own energy. Someday you'll get "there" though, I believe in you being able to do that.

I'm not like a movie star, millionaire, or supermodel or something. I don't know what in them would feel insecure with me or why. I'm not saying that you're wrong, just that this possibility would never occur to me because I don't consider myself insecurity-activating, if that makes sense. That is, I really can't think of any insecurities that I would awaken in a person.

I don't hate this person, but I do very much dislike the person's behavior and attitude. I dislike how it makes me feel, and I deserve to be around people who will treat me right and appreciate me. I want to be around people who make feel good and whose company I enjoy.

In any event, I have to keep my head held high and not let myself spiral into self-hate, anxiety, or depression.

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posted June 18, 2012 12:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I have sun in cap and venus in aquarius. I'm painfully shy, but I don't know if is because of my sun, and yes because of my ascendant - virgo rising with a 0º sextille with pluto.

Rising sign is what makes people's 1st impression, so it may have to do with shyness


How long have you been shy though? And are you a guy or girl?

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