posted May 22, 2012 07:11 PM            

Good site. Very thorough.

In short, YES, you have karma. NO, it's not about 'this time it didn't work out.' It's about THAT TIME, it didn't work out.

Major difference there.

Anyhow, check out the link. It's very detailed, informative, and quite specific.

I, personally have the opposition with my husband, and boy, can I tell you it's felt. With my best friend, we have a tight square. Oddly enough, the only Neptune-Saturn conjunction I've experienced are with my parents. Both of them.

We're a very karmic family, VERY aware that we're here to settle some important things that went very wrong then. Truthfully, that's not what the Neptune-Saturn conjunction is pointing to, as, of all the aspects, it's not the most karmic or damaging. Much like the trine or sextile. Odd, I know, and yet ....

posted May 23, 2012 12:47 AM            

Yes def. it was worth it putting up the synastry and composite charts.
Thank you for the link on the nodal axis’. I’ve never come across that one before. Interesting, I have always noticed my Moon at 9 Cancer exactly squares my NN at 9 Aries. What I haven’t noticed before is the sequence in which his Moon squares mine while conjunct my SN. I will have to think deeper into what that is implying about your past karma. And yes you are also right about my Mars, Moon and Neptune squaring his NN as well. It is now clearer to me that there is some significant karma Moon related. And yes not to mention both of our Moon are trine each other Suns. This might have been the friendly, caring and forgiving vibe that was always present even though there was some friction. Moon-Sun to me feels like caring and protection and easy flow of understanding, especially with the trine. All this Moon energy def. explains why there is such a deep need to take care or nurture with him.

It is interesting that both of our composite charts have 2 kite formations. Don’t have too much info on that though.

Your composite charts Pluto is strong and so is Saturn. Sun square Pluto has got to make it intense and passionate. Your composite also screams love related passion and karma. Pluto, Venus and Mars are all doing a lot of work, especially that Mars sextile Pluto exact. Wow that’s gotta be majorly felt. And then you have Venus sextile Saturn nearly exact, what more is there to say! Your composite is VERY evident of that fact that you two have previously been lovers and are here to resolve love related karma. You also have Venus in the 12th which is again a good indicator of this. Pluto is conjunct Saturn in our composite and Sun in conjunct Venus and both of this conjunctions oppose each other which makes our composite strong in the same energies as your composite.

You guys also have something going on with Jupiter. In composite, Jupiter is opposite Saturn and Neptune. Jupiters ruler, Moon is inconjunct it and then Moon’s ruler Jupiter is doing the same thing right back. This aspect is exact too. In your synasty too, you guys have a Venus-Saturn conjunction in your 7th. Your Jupiter incojuncts this and His Jupiter opposes it. Also in both of our composites we have Jupiter conjunct Chiron.In my composite there is also Jupiter incojunct Saturn. These are some other similarities I have noticed except for all the major ones you’ve already noted.
And of course you guys have many other obvious synastry aspects which harbour the connection like Sun-Sun square, Moon-Juno DW, Sun Sextile Moon, Venus Opposite Pluto. We also have Juno as well, my Juno conjuncts his Sun. I can very much see why the intensity was hard for you to handle as it was for me. They are def karmic and hard to let go of.

I have looked at my draco once or twice but never really in detail… truthfully I don’t really know what to look at in draco or what to assess…but here it is...

posted May 23, 2012 01:05 AM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
The similarities between my synastry with that guy and Violet's synastry with her guy is that we had:

Venus opposite Uranus
North Node opposite North Node.

Venus opposite Uranus already tells you that this relationship will be subjected to unpredictable barriers and if it manages to get off the ground, it WILL NOT LAST.

The NN opposition is something I never understood in terms of its effects on a relationship, I will just assume that it's not a relationship making aspect.

I guess, if someone has Neptune conjunct Saturn in Synastry without those other deal breakers aspects, perhaps there is a chance that they can work on the relationship the way the blog in the OP says... I just think it's a cruel twist of fate to have this aspect along with those pulling apart other aspects that make it nearly impossible to actually have a viable relationship

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Belage in your case, who was the Venus and who was the Uranus? I have heard only bad things about this aspect too, mainly that its short lived or "the divorce" aspect. That is creates electic love at first sight feelings but then doesnt have the stability to last. I mean if this aspect is based on the fact that Uranus has bad rep in the sense of being commitment-fobic then I dont agree. Two highly independant people with a certain kind of mindset have a chance of working it out in my eyes. But yes i get the general point behind it.

The NN opposition is something i just dont understand either, both peoples directions of progression are opposite than it is clearly down right hard for them to be together. Do you think though that the two energies also stand a chance of creating balance? or do they just have "ego clashes" as i've heard...

posted May 23, 2012 01:33 AM            

if you wouldnt mind, you said you can relate to the posts but i would just like to know how similar. What caused the friction for you ? what were your feelings towards the Saturn person and what ultimatley made you give up on the situation...?

posted May 23, 2012 01:44 AM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Actually, you need to do a search on this - though, it'll likely lead you here.
http://www.throughnightsfire.com/SaturnNeptuneconnections.html

Good site. Very thorough.

In short, YES, you have karma. NO, it's not about 'this time it didn't work out.' It's about THAT TIME, it didn't work out.

Major difference there.

Anyhow, check out the link. It's very detailed, informative, and quite specific.

I, personally have the opposition with my husband, and boy, can I tell you it's felt. With my best friend, we have a tight square. Oddly enough, the only Neptune-Saturn conjunction I've experienced are with my parents. Both of them.

We're a very karmic family, VERY aware that we're here to settle some important things that went very wrong then. Truthfully, that's not what the Neptune-Saturn conjunction is pointing to, as, of all the aspects, it's not the most karmic or damaging. Much like the trine or sextile. Odd, I know, and yet ....

-A.

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Ingido Dirae

I couldnt agree more with this...

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In short, YES, you have karma. NO, it's not about 'this time it didn't work out.' It's about THAT TIME, it didn't work out.

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I also feel that it is about what didnt work out last time. The connection is more of "I know you, and I know I have something to fix or work out with you." And yes strangely enough the person feels like a family memeber you were missing, although in your case it is actually that. I also have some karmic family ties, my dad has nearly all his planets in my 10th and 12th houses. He once said it as a joke " I know I am here with all of you becasue of something I owe you from the past."

posted May 23, 2012 11:47 AM            

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Originally posted by violet7887:
Belage in your case, who was the Venus and who was the Uranus? I have heard only bad things about this aspect too, mainly that its short lived or "the divorce" aspect. That is creates electic love at first sight feelings but then doesnt have the stability to last. I mean if this aspect is based on the fact that Uranus has bad rep in the sense of being commitment-fobic then I dont agree. Two highly independant people with a certain kind of mindset have a chance of working it out in my eyes. But yes i get the general point behind it.

The NN opposition is something i just dont understand either, both peoples directions of progression are opposite than it is clearly down right hard for them to be together. Do you think though that the two energies also stand a chance of creating balance? or do they just have "ego clashes" as i've heard...

and i agree both of these aspects are a twist of fate which i do not understand either..

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posted May 23, 2012 11:49 AM            

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Originally posted by curiouswoman:
hey hey well i am neptunne in this and i yearn for him as well but he is unattainable "in a relationship" but the aspect is a trine. felt love for him without knowing his name the minute he walked in the room. as if i knew him or something.

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posted May 23, 2012 04:53 PM            

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Originally posted by violet7887:
I also feel that it is about what didnt work out last time. The connection is more of "I know you, and I know I have something to fix or work out with you." And yes strangely enough the person feels like a family memeber you were missing, although in your case it is actually that. I also have some karmic family ties, my dad has nearly all his planets in my 10th and 12th houses. He once said it as a joke " I know I am here with all of you becasue of something I owe you from the past."

I also like the info on that site, that is what I have originally posted as well. Thank you for sharing.

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Yeah, violet ... sorry about that. I didn't even SEE the link you posted. I've been VERY braindead. A friend of mine took his life recently .... I just ... you can imagine.

I actually researched this aspect a lot within the past month, as my husband and I have the opposition, and my best friend, a very tight square.

The description given on that site for the opposition is FRIGHTENINGLY accurate in my experience. This is EXACTLY how the relationship has been with my husband since we began our relationship. It's been extremely trying, but was incredibly enlightening to realise its roots. I try very hard now to remind myself of what's karmic anxiety and move past it.

It can be tough, though, considering his worldview is very different from mine.

-A.

posted May 23, 2012 05:26 PM            

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Originally posted by ueharaa:
I have experienced this synastry aspect some years ago. His neptune conjunct my saturn (1° orb). Meeting him and having him around me was a very weird experience. I don't think anyone has ever had that much effect on me actually.
Long story short, I was really attracted to him but definitely not in a "he's my type" kind of way. It was more like something I couldn't really control with a lot of fear, and a huge feeling of "i know you from somewhere but I can't remember exactly". I guess, from his behaviour, he felt the same way too. But nothing ever came out of it.

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Y'know, I had a sudden thought that I MIGHT have experienced this with someone. I have. Neptune-Saturn conjunction, Saturn-Neptune square. I love him. I've always loved him. I always will love him.

I think we were a kind of karmic reward relationship. We buzz around each other, but don't keep contact like we wish we could. We're on the exact same career / 'calling' path. He was the catalyst that forced me to get out of the detrimental circumstances (abusive relationship) I was in, and the instantaneous bonding we felt was just ... unlike anything I'd ever known. I was attracted to him, but ... it was also ... bizarre. I couldn't see us together. But I LOVED him. I loved him more than I thought I'd loved anybody. He was ... it was so strange. I felt that if I married anyone, I'd marry him. But then there was this weird sense of - what kind of sexual relationship would we have? Would we? Again, I was attracted to him. I wanted to be THAT someone in his life. But when it got down to the nitty gritty ... despite his undeniable gorgeousness (the man is the doppelganger of actor Andrew Lee Potts; so much so that my mother actually asked me, 'is Kevin in a new movie?') but here's ... where it gets crazy.

He felt it with my mother, too. To put it specifically, BOTH of them felt it. My MOTHER felt like HE was her SON. Not in a son-in-law way, either. They 'recognised' each other as mother and son.

THAT was when it all hit me. The weirdness. The undeniable bond. The 'you're ME' feeling. My mother was unable to have any children after me, due to complications. It broke her heart, but she had to undergo the necessary process as soon as she found at she had become pregnant again.

His mother has the SAME chart signature as MY mother. And THEY felt weirdly connected, too. They have the same Sun degree, their Moons are 4* off, and they were born about seven years apart. Of course, we all also quickly learnt how we'd been buzzing around each other for decades, in and out of social circles, living next door to my family's dearest friends, and so on.

So, it's a fully accepted understanding (by both of our families) that, because my mother couldn't bring him into the world, she and Diane had decided that she would do it, and, apparently, Kevin and I decided we'd wait until a really crucial point in both of our lives (he was recently out of a long-term relationship and back from living abroad) to finally meet.

And when we did .... wow.

He's uncharacteristically wise, too. It blows me away. As much as he felt it, as much as he loves me, too, he knew it wasn't the right choice. He instead taught me the value of friendship, with an adage I'll never forget: 'Just friends? I've never understood that. JUST friends. Friends are the companions of our soul. The siblings we choose. Just friends? It's the basis, the root of everything, no greater, no lesser, just as important than love, and expressed platonically.' It broke my heart. I was still horrendously confused, and feeling SO many contradictory things. But he was right.

I think I unconsciously broke his heart, too. I moved. It wasn't planned. He was stunned. I started dating my now-husband and six months later, took a working vacation which became permanent when I landed a job working a show. He came to our wedding - no questions asked. He was my bridesman. (I've been a groomsmaid plenty of times, so this isn't new to me.) The photographer snapped this one photo of us, candid, where he's embracing me as I've just had my hair and makeup done and am wearing bits of bridal attire, and the look on his face .... He hides it so well. We never really got closure. Never REALLY. And, (Cap Moon) because he hides it SO well ... it was never at the forefront of my mind. I realised then how much I'd unintentionally hurt him, too, and it broke my heart. Again.

Ideally, he'll come out here; that's where he NEEDS to be, but he hates LA for all of its artificiality and it kinda going against everything he is - naturalist, spiritualist, easygoing, authentic, somewhat stoic.

I found someone out here like him ... and about 20 years his senior ... but that's a story for another day. And NOBODY's been LIKE him. He's completely unique.

It'd been hard to place him until I finally realised the source of my confusion. I couldn't understand how I could feel SO deeply for someone, and have it NOT be that they're to be my husband, and soulmate, and everything. But he was right. We're different.

He's my brother.

In a weird way, he's ACTUALLY my brother. We're in each other's heads, our souls go WAY back, we're mirrored-images of each other - cracks and all. He's. My. Brother. He was SUPPOSED to be born into my family, but something went wrong there, (or maybe that was actually the plan?) and, lo and behold, he's still somehow my little brother. (Although, it blows my mind, because our age difference has NEVER seemed real to me. Hell, my parents always forget he's younger than me. He's SO beyond his years.)

So. I have no idea, of course, what's actually going on with you, but for me, the Saturn-Neptune conjunction - only one I've ever had - meant that he's my brother. My twin, I'll even say, as we're both Librans, with Mercuries in Scorp, and a Venus-Mars MP on our Suns that I don't tend to find very often.

He's not my twinsoul, or my twinflame, though. But, in a weird way, he is DEFINITELY my twin brother.

So, there's my $0.03.

-A.

posted May 23, 2012 05:50 PM            

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Originally posted by ueharaa:
wow, I'm sorry to hear this,.. this must have felt awful especially if back then you thought he reciprocated a bit..
(I admit this feeling of reciprocation played a huge part in making the experience so painful to me..I would be pretty crushed if I found out it was all in my head..)

I really hope a neptune person comes out and share with us just to see what it feels like for them..

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I'm a 'Neptune person', I suppose, considering it's his Saturn which conjoins my Neptune.

posted May 24, 2012 01:24 PM            

Overall, a few things have stood out to me from all those who have shared their experience of Neptune Conjunct Saturn synastry:

The people involve may never have been in a official relationship, yet the desire to be together was excruciatingly strong so was the pain of not being together.

posted May 25, 2012 12:37 AM            

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Originally posted by curiouswoman:
hey hey well i am neptunne in this and i yearn for him as well but he is unattainable "in a relationship" but the aspect is a trine. felt love for him without knowing his name the minute he walked in the room. as if i knew him or something.

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Hi curiouswoman,

as one of the fewer neptune people on here, i was wondering if you might want to explain what your conjunction was like in more detail. Did you two ever confess? also, did you also feel the uneasy sometimes, like some of the saturn people did, as in you felt there was somthing which you second guessed about the person? how did the saturn person make you feel and did you also feel there was alway a cruel twist of fate? like things getting in the way all the time...i am interested in knowing if it was only this way for the saturn ppl.

posted May 25, 2012 12:45 AM            

I have a qucik question of everyone on here...what was your nChart and transits like when you met this person?

I had tSatrun in my 12th (which is still hoovering around my ASC in late Libra)

tVenus was in my 1st House, also soon going over my nPluto which trines my nMoon, Merc and Mars.

tSun and tMoon were conjunct nSaturn on the day.

tSun and Moon were also conjunct my nAnti-Vertex. (I have nSaturn 1.5 degrees away from nAnti-Vertex.)

transiting Pluto, NN, Merc and Mars were nearly conjunct my natal Neptune(which opposes my nMoon,Merc and Mars).

posted May 25, 2012 01:05 AM            

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Originally posted by violet7887:
BTW,

I have a qucik question of everyone on here...what was your nChart and transits like when you met this person?

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When I met him, t Neptune was making an exact trine to my Venus and was moving toward a conjunction of his Venus. Nice.

However, t Venus was conjunct t Chiron, and this conjunction was squared by t Uranus. Not good.

posted May 25, 2012 01:19 AM            

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Originally posted by violet7887:
Hi curiouswoman,

as one of the fewer neptune people on here, i was wondering if you might want to explain what your conjunction was like in more detail. Did you two ever confess? also, did you also feel the uneasy sometimes, like some of the saturn people did, as in you felt there was somthing which you second guessed about the person? how did the saturn person make you feel and did you also feel there was alway a cruel twist of fate? like things getting in the way all the time...i am interested in knowing if it was only this way for the saturn ppl.

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