posted May 20, 2012 07:02 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Absolutely. Yes.

There is a feeling of gentle magic with neptune (esp. in synastry) that really speaks to me (I have Mars and ASC and NN conjunct Neptune in natal, and their dispositor in Pisces square Neptune. lol)

However, I think that it`s best if strong Neptune aspects coincide with strong "grounding" aspects, often through Saturn or Pluto (though I prefer harmonious Saturn aspects for that).

And I am definitely careful about Neptune squares and opposition in synastry or composite. They are not "bad" in itself, just indicative of an unearthly beauty and magic and overidealisation, that sometimes might forget about reality and foundations.
IMO it would need some balancing factors to keep it anchored "on earth".

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posted May 20, 2012 07:11 PM            

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If it helps, work with the energy behind the word, rather than concern yourself with the word itself and any perceived baggage

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I see what you mean.. but it is difficult for me to ignore the baggage.

Saying that imagination is the key to reality is a really nice thing to say. I like the *thought* of that. If it was the title of a book, I would read the book.. because I would like to know more about your thoughts..
However, at the same time, this 'picture' does not really resonate with my own feelings deep down.
Maybe this is just the difference between my mutable Pisces Mercury and your fixed Aquarius Mercury.

posted May 20, 2012 07:21 PM            

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Originally posted by Odette:
I see what you mean.. but it is difficult for me to ignore the baggage.

Saying that imagination is the key to reality is a really nice thing to say. I like the *thought* of that. If it was the title of a book, I would read the book.. because I would like to know more about your thoughts..
However, at the same time, this 'picture' does not really resonate with my own feelings deep down.
Maybe this is just the difference between my mutable Pisces Mercury and your fixed Aquarius Mercury.

When you say that "imagination is the key to reality" this implies that imagination just IS... as though it exists as an entity, somewhere - separate from *reality*. Likewise - on the other hand - it implies that reality -exists- as an entity.. and that the former is the key to the latter.
But for me it is all a lot more intertwined. I just don't think imagination & reality are separate in the first place or that we as humans - with our human physical brains can accurately draw that distinction - in some sort of ultimate/conclusive and objective way.
I see that - often - people -assume- them to be separate... but those lines are blurred from my perspective.

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It feels like we're mincing words.

I never meant to imply anything was a separate entity from anything else.

The line about "imagination being key to reality" wasn't the title of a book, it's a quote from a book, "Embraced by the Light" by Betty Eadie.

My "fixed Aquarius Mercury" is in the Piscean 12th house. I have Pisces rising, too.

posted May 20, 2012 07:23 PM            

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Originally posted by RedScorp:
Let's not be cagey here. Just say it, what "those" people are missing.

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posted May 20, 2012 07:25 PM            

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It feels like we're mincing words.

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posted May 20, 2012 07:37 PM            

Also, I think what you're trying to emphasize is that Neptune is often more discredited than credited. It's role in our thinking is indicative of how subtle and illusive it is, sometimes incomprehensible upon first knowing.

posted May 20, 2012 07:53 PM            

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Originally posted by TrueTaurus:
I agree with the above point.
And I see your point, that imagination should be given more credit. It is very significant in expanding our knowledge of things. But in my view, I feel like knowledge give the basis for the things we can know. It grounds our thinking. Without that base, imagination just floats around.
So, I'd tweak her statement and say, imagination, paired with knowledge is the key to life. Even so, that statement is vague, but I suppose it should be taken generally, as we're not here to be nitpicky about every word.

Also, I think what you're trying to emphasize is that Neptune is often more discredited than credited. It's role in our thinking is indicative of how subtle and illusive it is, sometimes incomprehensible upon first knowing.

Sun, Mercury, Venus, Jupiter, Chiron in 12th here.

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Fair enough, although I feel it is imagination that serves as the foundation. The problem here is that imagination is being portrayed as something that isn't grounded (floating, as you put it), when I think is has a firmer foundation than knowledge. If it helps, think of knowledge as imagination, congealed.

posted May 20, 2012 07:55 PM            

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Originally posted by TrueTaurus:
I cannot believe how many times I have to edit my posts...One thing Neptune does is put me out of focus which is not fun when I'm trying to be clear.
But I'm glad that even with our Neptune influence we're able to stay grounded in our thinking. Also, this whole discussion proves we're analytical, a skill not really attribted to Neptune.

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posted May 20, 2012 10:56 PM            

But yes I worry about when the fog clears.. Then what?

posted May 20, 2012 11:05 PM            

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Originally posted by Lioness:
I love the Neptune feeling.. I wonder if you can "feel" love with out Neptune... It just adds that special feelings of admiration and "you are so wonderful"

But yes I worry about when the fog clears.. Then what?

But I think we all need some neptune in relationships, it just adds that extra piece to it.

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posted May 20, 2012 11:14 PM            

One way neptune is playing out with me and fishy, we make up these fantasy stories to tell each other...

posted May 20, 2012 11:18 PM            

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Originally posted by Lioness:
Wow.. Finish the rest.of the story!!

One way neptune is playing out with me and fishy, we make up these fantasy stories to tell each other...

He told me wow your imagination is just wow, out there.. He said it impresses him.

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Fishy was speaking of your imagination being out there, or mine?

posted May 20, 2012 11:20 PM            

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Originally posted by 12thhouser:
Fishy was speaking of your imagination being out there, or mine?

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posted May 20, 2012 11:22 PM            

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Originally posted by Lioness:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by 12thhouser:
[b] Fishy was speaking of your imagination being out there, or mine?

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lol, well excuuuuuuse me!

posted May 20, 2012 11:27 PM            

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Originally posted by 12thhouser:
lol, well excuuuuuuse me!

Who says they have to remain a fantasy?

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I didnt mean it in a bad way

posted May 20, 2012 11:40 PM            

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"Imagination is more important than knowledge."
--Albert Einstein

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This has been one of my favorite quotes since childhood. Our minds and worlds would be nothing without imagination.

My personal take on Neptune is that it always pushes one deeper in what ever it exposes. If one is able to reach the realization of the root than their reality becomes boundless and infinite.

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Out of myself, but wanting to go beyond that wanting what I see in your eyes, not power, but to kiss the ground with the dawn breeze for company, wearing white pilgrim cloth.

posted May 21, 2012 02:23 AM            

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Originally posted by 12thhouser:
Fair enough, although I feel it is imagination that serves as the foundation. The problem here is that imagination is being portrayed as something that isn't grounded (floating, as you put it), when I think is has a firmer foundation than knowledge. If it helps, think of knowledge as imagination, congealed.

You can tweak the author's statement if you want, but I believe she wrote it as she meant it, otherwise she might have expressed it as you just did.

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posted May 21, 2012 02:34 AM            

I'm in the clouds constantly and I have a pretty strong Neptune. Neptune is in the 1st H in Capricorn. Quincunx Sun, sextile Moon, square Mars, and I have Pisces Moon.

posted May 21, 2012 03:05 AM            

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Originally posted by vertiver:
TrueTaurus, your being such a Taurus. My boyfriend is also a Taurus Sun and he doesn't understand why I'm so interested in astrology when there is factual science. Astrology is pseudo science. And he has a point, that is why I need grounded Taurus.

I'm in the clouds constantly and I have a pretty strong Neptune. Neptune is in the 1st H in Capricorn. Quincunx Sun, sextile Moon, square Mars, and I have Pisces Moon.

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Haha. Yes, I am very Taurean, but an imaginative Taurus. I do have a 12th house stellium afterall. It's not that I don't get what some people here are saying, I just want to know the reasons for why imagination should be prior to knowledge in importance? Why should we believe something without reasons? If we get this clear, we may be able to talk about to others.

posted May 21, 2012 05:14 AM            

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Originally posted by TrueTaurus:
That's interesting. I'm just wondering why you firmly believe imagination has a firmer foundation than knowledge. I'm curious to hear your thoughts. You may even convince me. My thinking is very practical [Taurus Mercury] but I'm open to alternative ways of looking at things [Mercury in 12th house].

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posted May 21, 2012 05:27 AM            

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Originally posted by vertiver:
TrueTaurus, your being such a Taurus. My boyfriend is also a Taurus Sun and he doesn't understand why I'm so interested in astrology when there is factual science. Astrology is pseudo science. And he has a point, that is why I need grounded Taurus.

I'm in the clouds constantly and I have a pretty strong Neptune. Neptune is in the 1st H in Capricorn. Quincunx Sun, sextile Moon, square Mars, and I have Pisces Moon.

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Astrology is simply a different branch of science, but the interpretation of astrology is more of an art. There are branches of science today that would be considered blasphemy centuries ago, just as there are sciences from centuries ago that laughed at today, thinking we know so much better, when we should actually respect them enough for bridging the gap of development toward what we have now. It's simply the evolution of a field of study. Students of and practitioners of the harder sciences would probably indeed call astrology a "pseudo-science," but it is no less valid and accurate in its field than those other harder sciences are in theirs.

posted May 21, 2012 05:37 AM            

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Originally posted by 12thhouser:
Here's a quote of my own to clarify and give people what they may be looking for as "evidence" of imagination having a firmer foundation than knowledge: "What was once imagination is now knowledge."

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