posted May 20, 2012 03:11 AM            

Neptune is associated with many things, including illusion. It is also associated with the imagination.

"Imagination is more important than knowledge."
--Albert Einstein

Excerpt from the book about a person's near-death experience, "Embraced by the Light" by Betty Eadie.

"I understood that life is lived most fully in the imagination--that, ironically, imagination is the key to reality."

posted May 20, 2012 03:21 AM            

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
Right?

I've made a lot of real-life/common sense connections and patterns through my imagination, than i did through trial and error. I have Sun square Neptune and Venus square Neptune too. I think it helps with psychology.

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I also have Venus square Neptune, as well as Jupiter square Neptune, Moon and Mercury sextile Neptune, Saturn inconjunct Neptune, and Pluto sextile neptune.

Glad I re-read that NDE book. Realizing that about the imagination (and Neptune's role in it) speaks well about the planet. Heck, speaks volumes.

posted May 20, 2012 04:01 AM            

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Originally posted by milly:
Thanks 12thhouser...
For me imagination is about options... About real options that are not seen by most until they can be explained.
The problem with Neptune is that lives ahead the present time or in a more authentic reality... However this may bring the sense of being alone, crazy... As society creates most of the times an artificial reality. I am pisces asc...

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posted May 20, 2012 04:18 AM            

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Originally posted by 12thhouser:
I'll keep this first post short and sweet.

Neptune is associated with many things, including illusion. It is also associated with the imagination.

"Imagination is more important than knowledge."
--Albert Einstein

Excerpt from the book about a person's near-death experience, "Embraced by the Light" by Betty Eadie.

"I understood that life is lived most fully in the imagination--that, ironically, imagination is the key to reality."

Keep that in mind the next time you feel inclined to badmouth Neptune. It might work more to your advantage than you think.

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posted May 20, 2012 06:04 AM            

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Originally posted by depth:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by 12thhouser:
[b]I'll keep this first post short and sweet.

Neptune is associated with many things, including illusion. It is also associated with the imagination.

"Imagination is more important than knowledge."
--Albert Einstein

Excerpt from the book about a person's near-death experience, "Embraced by the Light" by Betty Eadie.

"I understood that life is lived most fully in the imagination--that, ironically, imagination is the key to reality."

Keep that in mind the next time you feel inclined to badmouth Neptune. It might work more to your advantage than you think.

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Noone's badmouthing Neptune. They are only stating astrological facts. It represents virtues like compassion, sacrifice & unconditional love. Whereas, too much of Neptune(imagination) can be a cause for Schizophrenia, just like too much of Jupiter leading to obesity, complications & finally death.
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Hi depth, thanks for your response. I appreciate it, as I've appreciated everyone's response to this thread.

Please re-read my initial post. I said Neptune is also associated with the imagination, not that the imagination was interchangeable with Neptune. In my opinion, though, Neptune is, of any of the planets taken alone, the one planet most closely related to the imagination. How an individual's imagination will be exercised will depend on sign placement, house, and of course, any aspects to Neptune. And I have come across Neptune antagonism.

"Astrological facts"? In a symbolic practice?

posted May 20, 2012 06:22 AM            

It can indicate deep inner truth, often recognized by imagination, hunches, vibes, however you want to call it, and then make for great creativity in art and life.

The other side has to do with that which has been said. Illusion. Disillusion. Fantasy. Delusion. Escapism.

What it is in any case is "boundless", osmosis, merging inside and outside. The great "merger".

posted May 20, 2012 06:26 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Neptune has both sides.

It can indicate deep inner truth, often recognized by imagination, hunches, vibes, however you want to call it, and then make for great creativity in art and life.

The other side has to do with that which has been said. Illusion. Disillusion. Fantasy. Delusion. Escapism.

What it is in any case is "boundless", osmosis, merging inside and outside. The great "merger".

Idealism can provide the fuel to change the world to make a better place, or it can provide the sedative to simply dream of it.

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posted May 20, 2012 07:52 AM            

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Originally posted by 12thhouser:
I would agree, and let's not forget that out of those supposedly undesirable qualities: delusion, escapism, etc. can emerge life-affirming beauty.

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Absolutely. Yes.

There is a feeling of gentle magic with neptune (esp. in synastry) that really speaks to me (I have Mars and ASC and NN conjunct Neptune in natal, and their dispositor in Pisces square Neptune. lol)

However, I think that it`s best if strong Neptune aspects coincide with strong "grounding" aspects, often through Saturn or Pluto (though I prefer harmonious Saturn aspects for that).

And I am definitely careful about Neptune squares and opposition in synastry or composite. They are not "bad" in itself, just indicative of an unearthly beauty and magic and overidealisation, that sometimes might forget about reality and foundations.
IMO it would need some balancing factors to keep it anchored "on earth".

posted May 20, 2012 09:38 AM            

I think this blog post I made about being my son's mother, last year, sums up how it operates in my life better than anything I could say if I were specifically talking about it.

The kid's eye in my avi, that's him. He's going to be nine years old this July. I just does not seem possible. Nine frigging years old. Blows my mind. I don't know why it should because I was reading back in his baby book the other day and I all ready had him all grown up and on his own-lol. Getting all nostalgic over a past that is still looming ahead in the future. That's me for ya.

He's very much his own person, which is what I wanted because it does no good to try to be someone else. Just makes you unhappy but man, wow. I tried not to have any expectations on what his personality would be. My job as I see it is to teach him the ways of the world and guide him in how to direct his energies to the best of his advantage.

He is strong willed. Tenacious. Blunt. Passionate. Demanding. Funny. Sweet (when he has a mind to be) Smart as all get out. These are all great things and if I do my job well enough, they will serve him very well later in life but I can't say it hasn't been difficult. There have been times when I've been like, what's the point. Why am I even trying. But I've found through being my son's mother that I'm pretty damn stubborn and strong willed myself and not just directly from his behaviors.

If I combined all the major life experiences from my past and what I gained from them, they do not equal in power what I've gained from being my son's mother. I've found out so much about myself- I found I can make the impossible a reality and change lives for the better in the process. The majority may have the biggest say but doesn't mean they are right.

I also found out some not so great things about myself. I can be very cruel, cold and take no prisioners when my real temper is ignited. When dealing with my son's father after the baby was born, I found this out. We were those neighbors that were yelling and screaming at each other all hours of the day and night and honestly, a part of me enjoyed it. I liked yelling at him. I liked turning the knife with my words. It was a rush. So, I do have that in me. It's a part of me.

posted May 20, 2012 12:52 PM            

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Originally posted by 12thhouser:
Hi depth, thanks for your response. I appreciate it, as I've appreciated everyone's response to this thread.

Please re-read my initial post. I said Neptune is also associated with the imagination, not that the imagination was interchangeable with Neptune. In my opinion, though, Neptune is, of any of the planets taken alone, the one planet most closely related to the imagination. How an individual's imagination will be exercised will depend on sign placement, house, and of course, any aspects to Neptune. And I have come across Neptune antagonism.

"Astrological facts"? In a symbolic practice?

Again, in my opinion, imagination is more than important. Frankly, I find it to be key to living.

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When I said "Neptune...interchangeably", I wasn't talking about anyone in particular. It was a general statement. I apologize if I failed to convey what I meant.

From a modern perspective, I'm absolutely convinced that Neptune is important.
However, in traditional astrology, there's no place for Neptune. Al-Biruni, Mashallah, Ibn Ezra, Ptolemy & many more together put in hundreds & thousands of years of research & assigned Pisces' rulership to Jupiter. Jupiter's success as Pisces' ruler can be measured by horary astrology. Neptune along with Uranus & Pluto have no importance in this branch of predictive astrology.
Today, astrologers are talking about a 13th zodiac sign, are trying to establish Chiron, which is just an asteroid, as Virgo's lord. Tomorrow, another asteroid could step in & replace Venus as Taurus' domicile ruler.

Neptune represents imagination; this is an astrological fact. I didn't want to offend skeptics of astrology by calling it "a fact". Astrology, as a science, hasn't been proven yet. There's much speculation about the role of neutrinos.

Most websites & failed relationships give Neptune such a bad rep. Add that with general public's tendency to believe popular opinion & you've antagonism, misconceptions, etc. They talk about illusions. What they don't realize is most of the things that we see around us are already not as they seem. They emphasize on deception in relationships but fail to mention that Neptune is the higher octave of Venus & represents unconditional love in it's purest form. Neptune is the substance abuser, con man or addict down the street. On the other end, it's also the Saint who's trying to create a better place for you & for me.

posted May 20, 2012 03:34 PM            

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Originally posted by depth:
When I said "Neptune...interchangeably", I wasn't talking about anyone in particular. It was a general statement. I apologize if I failed to convey what I meant.

From a modern perspective, I'm absolutely convinced that Neptune is important.
However, in traditional astrology, there's no place for Neptune. Al-Biruni, Mashallah, Ibn Ezra, Ptolemy & many more together put in hundreds & thousands of years of research & assigned Pisces' rulership to Jupiter. Jupiter's success as Pisces' ruler can be measured by horary astrology. Neptune along with Uranus & Pluto have no importance in this branch of predictive astrology.
Today, astrologers are talking about a 13th zodiac sign, are trying to establish Chiron, which is just an asteroid, as Virgo's lord. Tomorrow, another asteroid could step in & replace Venus as Taurus' domicile ruler.

Neptune represents imagination; this is an astrological fact. I didn't want to offend skeptics of astrology by calling it "a fact". Astrology, as a science, hasn't been proven yet. There's much speculation about the role of neutrinos.

Most websites & failed relationships give Neptune such a bad rep. Add that with general public's tendency to believe popular opinion & you've antagonism, misconceptions, etc. They talk about illusions. What they don't realize is most of the things that we see around us are already not as they seem. They emphasize on deception in relationships but fail to mention that Neptune is the higher octave of Venus & represents unconditional love in it's purest form. Neptune is the substance abuser, con man or addict down the street. On the other end, it's also the Saint who's trying to create a better place for you & for me.

I believe in a balanced approach in interpreting planets. I won't call imagination the key to life because if the chart is not well balanced, imagination could potentially be the key to insanity. Imagination & escape are an integral part of life but excess is detrimental. Humans have a free will. They decide how they want to exercise/not their Neptune.

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Neptune wasn't recognize in traditional astrology because, as far as I know it hadn't been discovered yet. Not until 1846 I believe.

"I won't call imagination the key to life because if the chart is not well balanced, imagination could potentially be the key to insanity. Imagination & escape are an integral part of life but excess is detrimental. Humans have a free will. They decide how they want to exercise/not their Neptune."

posted May 20, 2012 03:44 PM            

Neptune is great as it can make one compassionate, imaginative, and sensitive. Something the world can never get enough of.

posted May 20, 2012 06:00 PM            

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Originally posted by 12thhouser:
Neptune wasn't recognize in traditional astrology because, as far as I know it hadn't been discovered yet. Not until 1846 I believe.

"I won't call imagination the key to life because if the chart is not well balanced, imagination could potentially be the key to insanity. Imagination & escape are an integral part of life but excess is detrimental. Humans have a free will. They decide how they want to exercise/not their Neptune."

Some keep missing this. I originally said that Neptune is associated with the imagination. I then quoted a book where a woman had a near-death experience and stated that "imagination is the key to reality." I substituted the word "life" for "reality," as I believe the author of the book might, too. I never said that life or reality would exempt one from things such as schizophrenia or other conditions in life. You could actually state that all of life's aspects, the more desirable and less desirable ones, are all parts of life and reality, not separate (or other) sides of it. One thing I've noticed is that in Western culture (in particular), there's a tendency to differentiate in "either/or." Think of it as "both/and." That would then include the more desirable and less desirable aspects of life/reality, and allow one to live (and, to quote the book's author) life "most fully." To me, it doesn't mean one goes chasing after the less desirable aspects of life in order to live life most fully. Simply, that one embraces them as they come along. Hope this helps and clarifies. Thanks.

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The point is that Jupiter worked & still works fine as the lord of Pisces. Most Horary astrologer even today don't read Neptune as the significator of the querent/quesited. I've personally tried substituting Jupiter for Neptune & arrived at a wrong answer.
Traditionalists never went beyond Saturn. They had no telescopes then, yet knew about Merc, Venus, Mars, Jupiter & Saturn. Now, how did they know about these planets? Well, because they were star gazers & these planets are visible to the naked eye. Even Uranus is visible to the naked eye. You can view Neptune through simple devices. why weren't they recognized then? Maybe, the astrologers thought they were stars because of the distance or maybe they never noticed these celestial bodies. On the other hand, it's possible that they thought these planets weren't significant. But that doesn't really matter now.

I subscribe to your opinion. The first & the most crucial step that one has to take in order to live life "most fully" is embrace both, the more desirable & less desirable facets of life in general & oneself specifically, rather than weeding out that what is less desirable.

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Originally posted by 12thhouser:
Again, in my opinion, imagination is more than important. Frankly, I find it to be key to living.

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When I said that I would't call imagination the key to life, I was giving my opinion on imagination & the reason behind the opinion. I wasn't challenging anything. I hope I'm not coming on too aggressive. It's my blah Merc/Pluto.

posted May 20, 2012 06:28 PM            

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Originally posted by TrueTaurus:
(1) Knowledge is understanding.
(2) In general, the things we can understand is limited.
(3) Imagination opens the door to understanding new things.
(4) So, imagination is more important than knowledge insofar as it allows us think outside the box.

I don't think his [Einstein's] point is to say that imagination is the key, as knowledge is supposed to give the foundation for imagination.

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posted May 20, 2012 06:39 PM            

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It can indicate deep inner truth

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posted May 20, 2012 06:41 PM            

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Originally posted by Odette:

This is the only thing I've read so far that really resonates with me and the way I see Neptune.

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posted May 20, 2012 06:47 PM            

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Originally posted by Odette:
I don't like the word imagination for some reason. I don't really think there is a clear line between reality and imagination, since reality as we see it is built on our perception & conscious experience of it... and... conscious experience is subjective. It may well ALL be imagination. I mean there are philosophical arguments that we have no knowledge at all.

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posted May 20, 2012 07:01 PM            

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