posted May 24, 2012 08:43 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
This is kind of an obnoxious quote to make to person who is TALKING about how much she appreciates asteroids. Rosalind, are you a water void?

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posted May 24, 2012 08:48 PM            

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Actually I think both have proven to be serious astrologers.
(I don`t do titles like "master" cause it always reminds me of "master and slave" and I don`t like that).

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Tell me about it!

Anyway, I appreciate information for its own sake - if it is interesting and if it helps... whether the person giving me the information is IQ or Rosalind or Ami or DD or anyone else...

PS. I do have a soft spot for Lonake.... just because she is better than everyone else.

muhahahahah ^

Just adding fuel to the fire... *kidding*.... -ish...

posted May 24, 2012 10:02 PM            

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Originally posted by AmiAnne:
This is kind of an obnoxious quote to make to person who is TALKING about how much she appreciates asteroids. Rosalind, are you a water void?

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Here we go again. Another passive aggressive attempt to bait someone into yet another fight by using his or her chart against him or her! And the non passive-aggressive person will most likely erupt into open anger, and will likely end up getting unfairly banned.

How many times has this happened in the past several years? So many times (at least that I've noticed while researching old threads) that the strategy is getting really old.

People are constantly complaining about this very thing yet this unkindness just doesn't seem to stop.

Very annoying. And makes me feel VERY uncomfortable revealing any kind of personal info on LL, knowing that people's charts are repeatedly used against them.

As to the above quote-one person loves asteroids, another thinks them unimportant. The End. Period. There's nothing "obnoxious" about either opinion.

What IS obnoxious is the continued attempt to bait someone into an ego war by pointing out deficiencies in their charts. Does one have to feel threatened each time one meets up with a disagreement? And then resort to some sort of passive-aggressive sneak attack in an attempt to get the upper hand?

Such a practice does not behoove someone who's been appointed to maintain peace on a forum, imo. At least that's my understanding of what "moderation" means.

posted May 24, 2012 10:32 PM            

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Here we go again. Another passive aggressive attempt to bait someone into yet another fight by using his or her chart against him or her! And the non passive-aggressive person will most likely erupt into open anger, and will likely end up getting unfairly banned.

How many times has this happened in the past several years? So many times (at least that I've noticed while researching old threads) that the strategy is getting really old.

People are constantly complaining about this very thing yet it this unkindness just doesn't seem to stop.

Very annoying. And makes me feel VERY uncomfortable revealing any kind of personal info on LL, knowing that people's charts are repeatedly used against them.

As to the above quote-one person loves asteroids, another thinks them unimportant. The End. Period. There's nothing "obnoxious" about either opinion.

What IS obnoxious is the continued attempt to bait someone into an ego war by pointing out deficiencies in their charts. Does one have to feel threatened each time one meets up with a disagreement? And then resort to some sort of passive-aggressive sneak attack in an attempt to get the upper hand?

Such a practice does not behoove someone who's been appointed to maintain peace on a forum, imo. At least that's my understanding of what "moderation" means.

I mean, how are members expected to feel safe, as Randall wants us to, when this sort of thing is going on, especially when a Moderator is doing it?

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Definitely agree with you I noticed that too right on the spot typical tactics girls love to use . If the girls respond back which i bet wont be passive aggressive a whole show is going to start in this forum i bet. I know i have no input in getting in this show but i personally saw where this was going and i personally find it redundant . Know i feel when i write something personal or even answer something back it looks I'm going to have to even rethink twice or not I'm going to have so suffer the same thing is going on here i consider myself to be a diplomat when is needed but one thing for sure is when a situation rises I'm non passive aggressive.

posted May 24, 2012 10:40 PM            

We didn't end up arguing over something stupid because neither of us say things like "Is it that hard for you to come up with an argument? Whatever..."

Which is what is called, picking a fight.

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Such a practice does not behoove someone who's been appointed to maintain peace on a forum, imo. At least that's my understanding of what "moderation" means.

I mean, how are members expected to feel safe, as Randall wants us to, when this sort of thing is going on, especially when a Moderator is doing it?

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posted May 24, 2012 10:49 PM            

To not participate in those quarrels, but to diffuse them. And there was also the part about she made a comment about water voids insinuating that is why Rosalind is the way Rosalind is perceived to be by some individuals on this thread. The thing is when Ami said it... we know she's not a water void. In fact she actually commented on a thread she believes it's the worst void to have.

posted May 24, 2012 10:52 PM            

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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
How about... lose ego. Open eyes. Open ears. Shut mouth. Ditch arrogance. Expand mind. Gain knowledge. Remain humble. Zip mouth. Learn more. Better yourself. And just plain shut up and learn?

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posted May 24, 2012 10:53 PM            

I rarely see eye to eye with Rosalind, but the thread starter can't handle criticism. Thread starter FRAMED Rosalind's response as fighting, then FRAMED herself as a pacifist. She steered the emotional tone of the thread and everyone blindly went along with it.

Thread starter has had a run-in with everyone on here, EVERYONE. Do a search. Disagree with her and fangs come out.

posted May 24, 2012 10:58 PM            

But anywho'z I do see your pov, peach. I really do. And I guess that we could all be like ariesdragon, who I feel handles it in the ideal way, and backs down, but I guess everyone is different and we should have some understanding of when someone is being provoked. Either way, you're right that mods should handle things in a different way. In the end, you're right peach. As usual, lol ^_^ thank you.

IF anything, people should just be blocked *laughs*

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posted May 24, 2012 11:08 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I should not have jumped into it with Rosalind. I was not right to do that, as Mod. I am learning and growing a great deal and trying to learn my own boundaries. Sometimes, I do not make the best choices such as in this instance.

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posted May 24, 2012 11:37 PM            

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Rosalind didn't start a fight!!!!

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posted May 25, 2012 02:35 AM            

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Originally posted by Nine:
the thread starter can't handle criticism. Thread starter FRAMED Rosalind's response as fighting, then FRAMED herself as a pacifist. She steered the emotional tone of the thread and everyone blindly went along with it.

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Yes. And this is called manipulation which stems from low self-esteem. But self-esteem issues need to be handled in other appropriate ways which should not include using unsuspecting LL members.

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Thread starter has had a run-in with everyone on here, EVERYONE. Do a search.

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In general I too have noticed this while researching old threads in topics of interest. I'm serious about learning astrology in the time I can spare. And it's very annoying to come across multiple threads of fights with a common denominator. Makes one feel very wary of the common denominator in these fights. Many times it has been so disturbing to see so much venom and vitriol being spewed that I've had to actually turn off my computer.

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Disagree with her and fangs come out.

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Again, due to low self esteem, there's an "either you're for me or against me" approach which is actually very detrimental in the long run as it makes such a person tunnel visioned and dogmatic, and have fixed opinions. Which in turn, is a sign of poor and rudimentary reasoning skills *shrugs*

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I am learning and growing a great deal and trying to learn my own boundaries.

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I think there are some broader issues at stake here, which need to be addressed--

1)- Meticulously respecting others' boundaries and rights.

2)- Meticulously respecting any position of appointment given by Randall and wearing it as a badge of honor. By this I mean the position must always be placed before any individual/personal issues. Imo, it's important to do this as a mark of self-respect as well as respect for the responsibility bestowed. Example, if a town's local sheriff who's been appointed to maintain law and order, decides to *dip* into smuggled loot while capturing thieves, how many people will be so understanding as to say, "oh well, he's only human, he got tempted."

3)- When members divulge personal info. about themselves, it is implicitly understood that any such info is being shared in trust. Trust is, by far, the greatest gift one human can give to another-whether in personal relationships or on a forum such as this one. It is also the most fragile and, once broken, cannot be repaired easily.

So each time a member's personal info is used against him/her, a trust is broken and necessarily invokes a pain from deep within which is most often expressed in anger. To hurt another person in this manner is very, very unkind. To do it repeatedly over a period of several years is not easily forgivable at all.

Even though I've never divulged personal info for it to be mistreated, I feel very strongly about this blatant disregard for others, and this disregard MUST stop! It has gone on for far too long.

4)- It's alright to follow Randall around giving him a thumbs up for everything he says and praise him for his leadership, etc., once he's become involved in diffusing a fight. But isn't it more important for each one of us to do our part in insuring peace? Isn't our own sense of responsibility toward others and ourselves going to make his job easier? Are we not adult enough to do this ourselves or do we have to keep running to him like children each time there's a disagreement. Doesn't he have enough on his hands with trying to make sure the CPU doesn't spike so we can all continue to express ourselves uninterrupted on this site?

5)- The "if you don't agree with me then you must be against me," approach may result in a superficial temporary advantage of having a "fan club" of sorts. But in the end it introduces divisiveness in the forums, lowering the level and stability of peace as a result of which fights then break out more easily. Why? Because members are placed in a position of having to take sides which unnecessarily pits them against each other.

I've been on LL for about 5 months now and have not been involved in a single fight (or even a disagreement) except to try and bring peace to ones already going on. Why? Because I'm a peaceful person by nature. Imo, when we lack peace within us we easily become part of lack of peace in our environment or even end up creating that lack of peace in our environment because we're attracted to that type of energy.

6)- We're all so quick (and rightly so) to protect LL from trolls. How about extending that same vigilance to the insidious trolling within the forums for the greater purpose of maintaining peace?

I'm here for the main purpose of learning astrology. And I cannot do any learning in an atmosphere with so much infighting and which is major-ly lacking in peace and basic respect for others. I doubt many can.

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