posted August 06, 2012 08:03 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Thanks, Lotiswhite.
I see it the same way as you do, and was very aware of the derivative houses. I just don´t understand why despite theoretical understanding the practical grasp on the 11th house interpretation seems to elude me. it is strange.

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Sorry for the ramble. I think I posted one of my responses before I read what you’d already posted, when I wanted to elaborate. So if I seemed like a robot repeating myself in one of my posts that’s why.

Hmmm. I’ll try and do an interp for you and you can try it out.

Alright, Scorpio on the 11th house cusp, with Uranus conjunct, ruled by Pluto in Libra.

Someone who encourages you to be your unique self, and accepts you with your personal weirdness, or even because of your weirdness, would make you feel appreciated. Someone who has a no-nonsense sense of loyalty and is not put off by petty disagreements because they can see beyond this, to the deeper connection in the relationship, may win your trust. Someone who is not afraid to get to the crux of an issue with you, and is willing to stick with you through a ’dark’ patch, makes you feel you can relax and open to their concern. Someone who is courteous towards you, and willing to compromise with you in a fair way, also encourages your appreciation. You like when people take a genuine interest in you as a unique individual, are interested in who you really are beneath the surface, and are considerate and reasonable with you. Pluto in the 10th… You like when people give you credit where credit is due, and respect who you are and what you stand for. Disrespectful, biased, bigoted, shallow, unfair behavior is a major turn-off. Fairness, respect, real emotional honesty, deep loyalty, a considerate nature, and non-judgementalism are turn-on’s.

Okay, Ceridwen, that’s my attempt at an 11h house interp for you. Let me know if it fits or rings any bells.

posted August 21, 2012 08:35 AM            

These two articles are simple but fun. http://hniizato.com/2011/06/5th-house-love-given-to-others/.html
This one focuses on the 5th house. http://hniizato.com/2008/04/relationship-astrology-1-11th-house-and/.html
This one focuses on the 11th house.

posted August 21, 2012 11:13 AM            

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Originally posted by Lotis White:
Found some really cool articles about the whole giving/receiving love theme involved with the 5th house/11th house Axis.

These two articles are simple but fun. http://hniizato.com/2011/06/5th-house-love-given-to-others/.html
This one focuses on the 5th house. http://hniizato.com/2008/04/relationship-astrology-1-11th-house-and/.html
This one focuses on the 11th house.

This is a really in-depth, insightful article by an astrologer about his personal struggle to understand the 11th house. I highly recommend it. It’s called “Love Thyself: Working with the 11th House” By Basil Fearrington http://www.themetaarts.com/200404/basilfearington.html
This article touches on how our own feelings of lovability, or unlovability, relate to our need for attention, acceptance, and love from others.

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These are fantastic articles!

posted August 21, 2012 11:45 AM            

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Originally posted by Lotis White:

Alright, Scorpio on the 11th house cusp, with Uranus conjunct, ruled by Pluto in Libra.

Someone who encourages you to be your unique self, and accepts you with your personal weirdness, or even because of your weirdness, would make you feel appreciated. Someone who has a no-nonsense sense of loyalty and is not put off by petty disagreements because they can see beyond this, to the deeper connection in the relationship, may win your trust. Someone who is not afraid to get to the crux of an issue with you, and is willing to stick with you through a ’dark’ patch, makes you feel you can relax and open to their concern. Someone who is courteous towards you, and willing to compromise with you in a fair way, also encourages your appreciation. You like when people take a genuine interest in you as a unique individual, are interested in who you really are beneath the surface, and are considerate and reasonable with you. Pluto in the 10th… You like when people give you credit where credit is due, and respect who you are and what you stand for. Disrespectful, biased, bigoted, shallow, unfair behavior is a major turn-off. Fairness, respect, real emotional honesty, deep loyalty, a considerate nature, and non-judgementalism are turn-on’s.

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Totally 100% true!
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So do I understand it right, the 11th house of "love received" shows for what qualities we want to be appreciated, and probably also the way someone else expresses their appreciation to us.
It doesn´t literrally tell us IF they appreciate us, but just FOR WHAT (possibly) and HOW they express it?
And that feels very encouraging to us, making us feel warm and secure, and in turn probably make us being open to the other person?

posted August 21, 2012 04:20 PM            

I generally notice that my "type" tends to fall into two broad categories - "preppy bro" and "hipster douche". I'm not really sure how one apportions stereotypes according to sign, but if I had to guess from among the three I'd say that's 5 and 7 hook, line, and sinker.

posted August 21, 2012 11:37 PM            

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Originally posted by Lotis White:
This is a really in-depth, insightful article by an astrologer about his personal struggle to understand the 11th house. I highly recommend it. It’s called “Love Thyself: Working with the 11th House” By Basil Fearrington http://www.themetaarts.com/200404/basilfearington.html
This article touches on how our own feelings of lovability, or unlovability, relate to our need for attention, acceptance, and love from others.[/B]

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Thanks LotisWhite for this article. I have a pisces stellium (Sun, moon, venus & merc) in 11th house & have never been able to conceptualize what that might mean. I don't have the stressful planets he mentioned here and I am not sure what would count as stressful aspects? Perhaps my Saturn in Gemini in 2nd house, Neptune in Sag in 8th house?? I am just not sure how the stressful aspects come into play for me personally BUT it is true that I have a deep need to be loved & appreciated (i thought everybody does?). Anyways, is great article but I am still confused about 11th house...

posted August 22, 2012 07:16 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Sorry I saw your post just now.

Totally 100% true!
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So do I understand it right, the 11th house of "love received" shows for what qualities we want to be appreciated, and probably also the way someone else expresses their appreciation to us.
It doesn´t literrally tell us IF they appreciate us, but just FOR WHAT (possibly) and HOW they express it?
And that feels very encouraging to us, making us feel warm and secure, and in turn probably make us being open to the other person?

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Yes. The 11th house shows what type of support and appreciation presses our buttons and makes us feel loved, included, and wanted in general. I think on a mundane level it shows HOW we like to receive appreciation from others.

If someone dumps a bunch of planets in your 11th, it shows they have the ability to make you feel loved, and so you can feel comfortable opening to them (provided the synastry is not too bad). It doesn’t guarantee that they will love you so much as it shows they are CAPABLE of giving you the feelings of security you get when someone appreciates you. Their style will resonate with how you like to be included and supported.

And vise versa, if you put a bunch of planets in someone else’s 11th house, you have a natural ABILITY to make that person feel appreciated, and your style can make them feel welcome and included. But that doesn’t mean that you automatically love them. To tell if someone has the capacity to fall for you in a romantic sense, I still think you need to look at the other person’s 5th, 7th, and 8th houses.

11th house synastry is helpful to romance in that it can show if the other person has the right ‘ingredients’ to make you feel appreciated, secure, and included with that person. A person influencing your 11th house knows how to support you in a way that you want to be supported, they can appreciate you for the things you like to be appreciated for, and they can make you feel welcome in their life.

A person influencing your 5th house makes you want to give love and adoration to that person, but a person influencing your 11th house makes you want to receive the special brand/style of appreciation that they have to offer.

posted August 22, 2012 09:46 PM            

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Originally posted by Dreamweaver:
Thanks LotisWhite for this article. I have a pisces stellium (Sun, moon, venus & merc) in 11th house & have never been able to conceptualize what that might mean. I don't have the stressful planets he mentioned here and I am not sure what would count as stressful aspects? Perhaps my Saturn in Gemini in 2nd house, Neptune in Sag in 8th house?? I am just not sure how the stressful aspects come into play for me personally BUT it is true that I have a deep need to be loved & appreciated (i thought everybody does?). Anyways, is great article but I am still confused about 11th house...

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Still confused about the 11th house?

I’ll try and explain it. Okay, the generalized interpretation of the 11th house out there is that it shows how we act in large groups, and what type of groups, clubs, and organizations we choose to belong to. The 11th house also has to do with what our personal vision for humanity is, and how we desire to fit in with the rest of society. The 11th house rules what type of causes, social trends, and advancements, we may believe are important for the rest of humanity in general.

What does this have to do with love received? I’m getting there.

So why do we choose the group memberships that we choose? Firstly, we choose based on how being a part of a group makes us feel…. If the group dynamic is healthy, we feel supported, wanted, validated, and safe because of the groups we belong to. There's nothing like having a network of friends, and associates, that you can rely on in times of trouble. It's like having a safety net against potential aggressors, or disasters, we might encounter. Also, If we are popular within our group, it boosts our feelings of attractiveness. We feel appreciated, worthwhile, and lovable. Being an accepted part of a group gives us feelings of security, and confidence. If our company is desired by those around us, it has a tremendously positive impact on our self-esteem. The development of security and self-esteem are the primary reasons why we seek group membership.

The second reason we may choose to be part of a group has to do with what that group represents on a social/humanitarian level... Yes, being part of a group gives us security and self-esteem, but we don't just join any group for these... Our selection of group involvement is often carefully made.

We join because particular groups, or crowds, because they supports our personal vision of how we want to fit into society, and the social causes we are into. For instance, if you want to talk to other people who believe in astrology you’d join Lindaland, or if you want to join a street gang, you’d start hanging out with some thugs, or if you to get into politics you’d join a presidential campaign, or if you are into the preserving the environment, you‘d join the local environmentalist club. Joining a group makes a statement about who you are and what you believe in. We join groups to meet kindred spirits who share the same concerns as us, and to get support for our personal social aspirations. People often use their group memberships to further some personal vision of how they want to fit in with the rest of humanity. The second reason we seek group membership is to express our social allegiances, and to promote the development of these allegiances for ourselves, and for the entire group as a whole.

Okay... So the 11th house shows our attitude towards group involvement, what types of group involvement we want, and how we like to be supported within a group…. But what happens when INDIVIDUAL PEOPLE influence our 11th house in synastry. Not an entire group, but just one person.

This is where we get to the ‘Loved Received’ part of the 11th house!

Now as I said, the 1st reason people join groups is to get feelings of safety and acceptance, and for the boost of confidence that such acceptance gives us.

When just one person is influencing our 11th house in synastry the result is often that this person is able to make us feel ‘welcome’ when we are around them. They are able to give us a boost of those good feelings we have when we feel ‘popular’ or wanted by others. In the case of individual synastry, 11th house connections show how we feel ‘popular’ or 'wanted' by particular individuals. The style that they have puts us at ease, and makes it feel safe for us to open up. People who influence our 11th house also give us feelings of security, in that they have the ability to make us feel accepted and included in their lives. That is if the synastry is good. Acceptance or rejection from a group can have a profound influence of how lovable we feel… If the 11th house synastry with just one person is very hard and tense, a rejection from this particular person can also be extremely painful. We may feel we are being denied the type of support that we need, or that the rejection means we are unlovable. If the synastry is positive, people who influence our 11th house have an amazing ability to make us feel appreciated, and even loved. We feel like they want us around, and that we are worthwhile company for them... Or even that we are intensely desired company (Hot Property) for them. They can make us feel like we are the popular kid in school.

The 2nd reason I mentioned that people join groups is express social allegiances... The groups we choose to belong to are decided upon because they support our personal social aspirations, how we want to fit into society, and what humanitarian causes we believe in. In other words our group memberships make a statement about who we are, and what we are about.

When just one person influences our 11th house in synastry, this person feels like a kindred spirit to us. They share many of the same social values, and aspirations that we have, and they make us feel validated for the unique point of view we have on what is socially important. People who positively influence our 11th house have the ability to make us feel supported in our quests and choices… And they have the ability to support us in the way that we want to be supported, and for the things we want to be supported for…. It’s like they ‘get’ our unique point of view on the world, and understand where we are coming from. They understand our personal 'politics', and theories about what humanity needs in general.

In this way, the 11th house symbolizes the type of approval and acceptance we desire to receive from others. We all like to feel validated in our point of view, and the social designation that we have chosen (or been stuck with). If we are a science nerd, we want to be around people who think that science nerds are actually cool because of what they know. If we are a professional clown, we want to be around people who think that making kids laugh is an awesome thing to do. And even if we are the town drunk, we want to be around people who will at least accept this (Acceptance of negative unhealthy behavior, and 'peer pressure' are the negative parts of the 11th house). The sign on the 11th house cusp, the planets in the 11th house, and the position of the 11th house ruler, show what type of behaviors we are able to recognize as a sign appreciation and support from others. When people act out the symbolism of our 11th house, it has a way of making us feel like what we stand for, and what we are about, are important, worthwhile causes that are worthy of attention.

WHEN THE 11TH HOUSE IS CONNECTED WITH ROMANCE

The 11h house rules the people, or the masses of humanity ‘out there’…. The opposite house… The 5th house rules the Superstar, or the performance that is being presented to the 'people'…

In a sense, the 11th house represents the audience to the drama of our personal lives, and our personal self expression, as is represented by the 5th house. People are either going to love us, hate us, or not care at all… The placements in our 11th house show what type of ‘applause’ we are looking for from our audience. When people positively influence our 11th house it’s like they are able to give us the type of admiration that we are looking for from those around us…. In response to what’s personally important to our own heart (which is shown by the 5th house).

In this way, the 11th house rules our personal ‘fans’. When it comes to individual people making positive aspects to our 11th house, these people can seem like fans of ours in that they make us feel special and noticed.

Now for the 'Romance' part.

The 5th house rules courtship and falling in love… The 5th house shows who we fall in love with, who we are impressed by, and how we express our passionate feelings of love for somebody. The 11th house, is the 5th house from our 7th house. On a symbolic level, the 11th house rules the 5th house of our partner (it has to do with derivative houses)... How our partner expresses passionate love for us… Or at least our expectations of how we want our partner to express their love for us in courtship situations... That’s right, when it comes to individual people influencing our 11th house in synastry, these people can make us feel as if they are giving us the ideal courtship…. They say and do all the right things to make us feel wanted. The 11th house shows how we expect others to behave when they are madly in love with us. Like, can’t eat, can’t sleep, don’t know what to do with themselves, ‘over the top’ in love. After all, they are the response to the magnificence that is our 5th house of self-expression, and they are enamored… Or at least they have the ABILITY to express their love in a way that we can understand and recognize. Whether or not we feel actual passionate love for them is dependent on how THEY influence OUR 5th house. Having them influence our 11th just works for making us feel special.

Obviously, not all 11th house relationships have a romantic connotation…. This is only relevant for certain relationships. Like if there are other factors in the synastry indicating a romantic relationship. When a romantic partner does influence your 11th house…. Even if the relationship doesn’t work out, you may always remember how this person was able to make you feel special...

But generally, individual synastry to our 11th house relates to people making us feel ‘popular’ and ‘welcome’, or not. And having important placements in the 11th house natally refers to a strong need for acceptance and appreciation form others. There would be a strong desire for a sense of belonging.

posted August 23, 2012 06:09 AM            

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Originally posted by Lotis White:
Still confused about the 11th house?

I’ll try and explain it. Okay, the generalized interpretation of the 11th house out there is that it shows how we act in large groups, and what type of groups, clubs, and organizations we choose to belong to. The 11th house also has to do with what our personal vision for humanity is, and how we desire to fit in with the rest of society. The 11th house rules what type of causes, social trends, and advancements, we may believe are important for the rest of humanity in general.

What does this have to do with love received? I’m getting there.

So why do we choose the group memberships that we choose? Firstly, we choose based on how being a part of a group makes us feel…. If the group dynamic is healthy, we feel supported, wanted, validated, and safe because of the groups we belong to. There's nothing like having a network of friends, and associates, that you can rely on in times of trouble. It's like having a safety net against potential aggressors, or disasters, we might encounter. Also, If we are popular within our group, it boosts our feelings of attractiveness. We feel appreciated, worthwhile, and lovable. Being an accepted part of a group gives us feelings of security, and confidence. If our company is desired by those around us, it has a tremendously positive impact on our self-esteem. The development of security and self-esteem are the primary reasons why we seek group membership.

The second reason we may choose to be part of a group has to do with what that group represents on a social/humanitarian level... Yes, being part of a group gives us security and self-esteem, but we don't just join any group for these... Our selection of group involvement is often carefully made.

We join because particular groups, or crowds, because they supports our personal vision of how we want to fit into society, and the social causes we are into. For instance, if you want to talk to other people who believe in astrology you’d join Lindaland, or if you want to join a street gang, you’d start hanging out with some thugs, or if you to get into politics you’d join a presidential campaign, or if you are into the preserving the environment, you‘d join the local environmentalist club. Joining a group makes a statement about who you are and what you believe in. We join groups to meet kindred spirits who share the same concerns as us, and to get support for our personal social aspirations. People often use their group memberships to further some personal vision of how they want to fit in with the rest of humanity. The second reason we seek group membership is to express our social allegiances, and to promote the development of these allegiances for ourselves, and for the entire group as a whole.

Okay... So the 11th house shows our attitude towards group involvement, what types of group involvement we want, and how we like to be supported within a group…. But what happens when INDIVIDUAL PEOPLE influence our 11th house in synastry. Not an entire group, but just one person.

This is where we get to the ‘Loved Received’ part of the 11th house!

Now as I said, the 1st reason people join groups is to get feelings of safety and acceptance, and for the boost of confidence that such acceptance gives us.

When just one person is influencing our 11th house in synastry the result is often that this person is able to make us feel ‘welcome’ when we are around them. They are able to give us a boost of those good feelings we have when we feel ‘popular’ or wanted by others. In the case of individual synastry, 11th house connections show how we feel ‘popular’ or 'wanted' by particular individuals. The style that they have puts us at ease, and makes it feel safe for us to open up. People who influence our 11th house also give us feelings of security, in that they have the ability to make us feel accepted and included in their lives. That is if the synastry is good. Acceptance or rejection from a group can have a profound influence of how lovable we feel… If the 11th house synastry with just one person is very hard and tense, a rejection from this particular person can also be extremely painful. We may feel we are being denied the type of support that we need, or that the rejection means we are unlovable. If the synastry is positive, people who influence our 11th house have an amazing ability to make us feel appreciated, and even loved. We feel like they want us around, and that we are worthwhile company for them... Or even that we are intensely desired company (Hot Property) for them. They can make us feel like we are the popular kid in school.

The 2nd reason I mentioned that people join groups is express social allegiances... The groups we choose to belong to are decided upon because they support our personal social aspirations, how we want to fit into society, and what humanitarian causes we believe in. In other words our group memberships make a statement about who we are, and what we are about.

When just one person influences our 11th house in synastry, this person feels like a kindred spirit to us. They share many of the same social values, and aspirations that we have, and they make us feel validated for the unique point of view we have on what is socially important. People who positively influence our 11th house have the ability to make us feel supported in our quests and choices… And they have the ability to support us in the way that we want to be supported, and for the things we want to be supported for…. It’s like they ‘get’ our unique point of view on the world, and understand where we are coming from. They understand our personal 'politics', and theories about what humanity needs in general.

In this way, the 11th house symbolizes the type of approval and acceptance we desire to receive from others. We all like to feel validated in our point of view, and the social designation that we have chosen (or been stuck with). If we are a science nerd, we want to be around people who think that science nerds are actually cool because of what they know. If we are a professional clown, we want to be around people who think that making kids laugh is an awesome thing to do. And even if we are the town drunk, we want to be around people who will at least accept this (Acceptance of negative unhealthy behavior, and 'peer pressure' are the negative parts of the 11th house). The sign on the 11th house cusp, the planets in the 11th house, and the position of the 11th house ruler, show what type of behaviors we are able to recognize as a sign appreciation and support from others. When people act out the symbolism of our 11th house, it has a way of making us feel like what we stand for, and what we are about, are important, worthwhile causes that are worthy of attention.

WHEN THE 11TH HOUSE IS CONNECTED WITH ROMANCE

The 11h house rules the people, or the masses of humanity ‘out there’…. The opposite house… The 5th house rules the Superstar, or the performance that is being presented to the 'people'…

In a sense, the 11th house represents the audience to the drama of our personal lives, and our personal self expression, as is represented by the 5th house. People are either going to love us, hate us, or not care at all… The placements in our 11th house show what type of ‘applause’ we are looking for from our audience. When people positively influence our 11th house it’s like they are able to give us the type of admiration that we are looking for from those around us…. In response to what’s personally important to our own heart (which is shown by the 5th house).

In this way, the 11th house rules our personal ‘fans’. When it comes to individual people making positive aspects to our 11th house, these people can seem like fans of ours in that they make us feel special and noticed.

Now for the 'Romance' part.

The 5th house rules courtship and falling in love… The 5th house shows who we fall in love with, who we are impressed by, and how we express our passionate feelings of love for somebody. The 11th house, is the 5th house from our 7th house. On a symbolic level, the 11th house rules the 5th house of our partner (it has to do with derivative houses)... How our partner expresses passionate love for us… Or at least our expectations of how we want our partner to express their love for us in courtship situations... That’s right, when it comes to individual people influencing our 11th house in synastry, these people can make us feel as if they are giving us the ideal courtship…. They say and do all the right things to make us feel wanted. The 11th house shows how we expect others to behave when they are madly in love with us. Like, can’t eat, can’t sleep, don’t know what to do with themselves, ‘over the top’ in love. After all, they are the response to the magnificence that is our 5th house of self-expression, and they are enamored… Or at least they have the ABILITY to express their love in a way that we can understand and recognize. Whether or not we feel actual passionate love for them is dependent on how THEY influence OUR 5th house. Having them influence our 11th just works for making us feel special.

Obviously, not all 11th house relationships have a romantic connotation…. This is only relevant for certain relationships. Like if there are other factors in the synastry indicating a romantic relationship. When a romantic partner does influence your 11th house…. Even if the relationship doesn’t work out, you may always remember how this person was able to make you feel special...

But generally, individual synastry to our 11th house relates to people making us feel ‘popular’ and ‘welcome’, or not. And having important placements in the 11th house natally refers to a strong need for acceptance and appreciation from others. There would be a strong desire for a sense of belonging.

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