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posted August 19, 2012 07:18 AM            

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Not the cheesy wannabe woman, bt the dangerous destructive one... what natal aspects, signs combinations, planetary influences or asteroids can create such a persona ?

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posted August 19, 2012 07:26 AM            

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Venus pluto.

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posted August 19, 2012 07:41 AM            

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Just check out Angelina Jolie's Chart.

http://www.astrotheme.com/astrology/Angelina_Jolie

She has Uranus Sqaure her Venus conjunct the Asc very tight. Neptune in the 5th tightly trine Mars, and Pluto opposite Mars.

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posted August 19, 2012 07:48 AM            

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H8 Rx Lilith,too.

She is not meant for a life of discretion. Funny enough,astro reduced her personality to attention seeking

H8 ruler Uranus in 4,its dispositor is Venus,on angle,Asc ruler is Moon on Mc,same as its dispositor Mars,all of these tightly connected via hard aspects.

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posted August 19, 2012 08:19 AM            

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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
H8 Rx Lilith,too.

She is not meant for a life of discretion. Funny enough,astro reduced her personality to attention seeking

H8 ruler Uranus in 4,its dispositor is Venus,on angle,Asc ruler is Moon on Mc,same as its dispositor Mars,all of these tightly connected via hard aspects.

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Good attention to detail. Also, 8th house ruler square Venus suits her.

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posted August 19, 2012 08:34 AM            

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Angelina Jolie is a good example

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posted August 19, 2012 08:51 AM            

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http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/012694.html

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posted August 19, 2012 09:26 AM            

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Does femme fatale have bit of a death wish,with all the destruction she causes?

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posted August 19, 2012 09:33 AM            

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Pluto square/opposite/conjunct ascendant.

I think a packed 8th house as well.

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posted August 19, 2012 09:35 AM            

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I feel angelina isn't maneater enough. My femme fatale pick wud be carla bruni sarkozy. Cap sun scorp venus. I just doubt angelina can control. And imo to destroy u have to control or hold power over men. Angelina actually strikes me as sweet.

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posted August 19, 2012 09:56 AM            

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I feel angelina isn't maneater enough. My femme fatale pick wud be carla bruni sarkozy.

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Oh,Carla ...

Same as Angelina : H8 ruler Uranus in H4,angular.
Moon conj Pluto.
Uranus squaring DSC ruler Sun.
Gem Lilith.
http://www.astrotheme.com/astrology/Carla_Bruni_Sarkozy

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posted August 19, 2012 09:57 AM            

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Originally posted by sand:
Cap sun scorp venus. I just doubt angelina can control. And imo to destroy u have to control or hold power over men. Angelina actually strikes me as sweet.

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They even have same rising sign : Cancer.

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posted August 19, 2012 10:08 AM            

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R u saying they're the same thing? Maybe it is the cap but carla terrifies me. Angelina no. I feel women hate her more and being a guy that image women have of her totally flies over my head. Btw do u consider yourself one?

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posted August 19, 2012 10:27 AM            

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There are similarities.
And no,don't consider myself fatale

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posted August 19, 2012 01:18 PM            

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Originally posted by sand:
I feel angelina isn't maneater enough. My femme fatale pick wud be carla bruni sarkozy. Cap sun scorp venus. I just doubt angelina can control. And imo to destroy u have to control or hold power over men. Angelina actually strikes me as sweet.

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I agree with you here Sand. Cancer Venus in the 12th shows a weird sensitivity and self-destruction about her... she isn't really femme fatale to the bone. She was hateful and suicidal about herself for a long time, and doesn't seem purposefully malicious when it comes to guys she been with. I also like to remind people about the Laura Dern/Jen Anniston situation, it takes TWO in situations like those. It's obvious that both men were just as interested, she doesn't strike me as the type to obnoxiously and obsessively dominate anyone. Just naturally draws them in and sometimes it created chaos since she used her heart over her head.

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posted August 19, 2012 01:22 PM            

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Doesn't Angelina Jolie have a Cancer asc? Jolie is no Mata Hari.

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posted August 19, 2012 01:34 PM            

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Mata Hari has Jupiter squares to mars, mercury & uranus. Her Pluto squares mars, mercury & uranus.
Cool stuff

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posted August 19, 2012 01:54 PM            

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I agree that Carla Bruni is a better example than Angelina Jolie.

Carla's chart ruler is the moon, which is conjunct Pluto. I think when it comes to femme fatales, Pluto is the determining planet.

On a side note, Laura Dern shouldn't have complained about Angelina. because, years later, Laura Dern went and took a married man from his wife.

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posted August 19, 2012 01:58 PM            

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Interesting choice,Mata Hari. However,she is of a different kind of allure,the same that built Josephine Baker : exotic,brought to / given Europe something different and new,new kind of sensuality. There was fama surrounding these women. But,not quite femme fatale. They are more like femme mystérieuse.

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posted August 19, 2012 08:59 PM            

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is mata hari piscean/ neptunian? i feel she is of the same kind as marilyn monroe who had vens trine neptune, neptune on ascendant.

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posted August 19, 2012 10:51 PM            

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Dsc ruler/Uranus or Venus/Uranus hard aspect, this is a big one
Moon/Pluto or IC/Pluto/H8 connection, Scorp planets conj IC
Neptune conj/sq Asc/Dsc, Venus/Neptune, Dsc ruler/Neptune
Sometimes Neptune hard aspect luminary
Sometimes H8 ruler in H1 or H1 ruler in H8
H8 ruler in H8 or aspect to Pluto
Mars in H8 or aspect to Pluto

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posted August 19, 2012 10:56 PM            

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Originally posted by sweet-scorpion:
it takes TWO in situations like those.

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I'd say this for -all- situations.
As if the men were abducted by a serial killer in the middle of the night.
They are willing.

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posted August 19, 2012 10:58 PM            

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Originally posted by sand:
is mata hari piscean/ neptunian? i feel she is of the same kind as marilyn monroe who had vens trine neptune, neptune on ascendant.

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Leo sun/Pisces moon/Scorpio asc.
moon trine venus and asc
moon conjunct saturn

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posted August 19, 2012 11:07 PM            

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Originally posted by Lonake:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by sweet-scorpion:
[b]it takes TWO in situations like those.

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I'd say this for -all- situations.
As if the men were abducted by a serial killer in the middle of the night.
They are willing.[/B][/QUOTE]

EXACTLY! i'm not even a jolie fan by any means but the projection of the public on to her of their "b!tch gonna steal my man" insecurities is just out of proportion. like uhm get a better man that wouldn't be stolen so easily..

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posted August 19, 2012 11:28 PM            

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EXACTLY! i'm not even a jolie fan by any means but the projection of the public on to her of their "b!tch gonna steal my man" insecurities is just out of proportion. like uhm get a better man that wouldn't be stolen so easily..

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Totally. I'm glad you get what I mean. I really like Angelina Jolie personally for her humanitarianism and some of her roles so it hurts me to see how intensely judgmental people are of her. It annoys me that as you said, people don't really consider that maybe Laura/Billy and Jen/Brad were just BAD MATCHES and someone better came along, and they both became less interested in an already so-so relationship... we can probably say that was definitely the case for Jen/Brad since the whole thing seemed forced near the end. It could've been anybody, but they happened to be connected through fate to one of the most beautiful women in the world so.... yeah. Brad met Angie on a movie set. They didn't hook up like Hollywood sleaze bags in a night club somewhere.

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