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Topic: Saturn's Badge of Honour: But I didn't give up - I didn't leave you
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sweet-scorpion
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posted September 14, 2012 01:52 AM
  
I have my Pisces Saturn in a guy's 7th who I am interested in in our synastry, opposite his Rx Virgo Venus-Merc conjunction. In my head, my Saturn in the 7th is shouting at his Venus: commit to me! Show your feelings! Work on letting yourself love! Give it a chance with me, a stable and official relationship! And basically, his Virgo Venus is covering its ears.  So for us, it isn't a 'love killer' aspect, we have a lot of sexual and romantic aspects to save this one. This aspect just shows our commitment issues and how I keep hammering it into his head that he needs to be able to grow up and have a committed relationship when he likes someone instead of giving into his weird roaming tendencies and an inability to commit because of work obligations, which he is really only using as a cover up for weird insecurities about romance. IP: Logged |
MyFavouriteName
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posted September 14, 2012 07:50 PM
its true. i'v been both the saturn and the venus in a venus-square-saturn double 'whammie'.IP: Logged |
Hera
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posted September 14, 2012 09:19 PM
Oh no lol! I'm the Saturn in a Sat-Venus exact square. Oh nooooo! I don't wanna be the one who wants to commit and the other person runs away!!! No no no!  IP: Logged |
VenusDiSirius
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posted September 22, 2012 10:50 AM
Yes,it happens all the time.
They may not like the shackles,but they take great pride in the fact they can carry them. Disliking people who don't persevere,they are hurt when they are left behind,and you are not with them to stand tall,despite all.
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Nine
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posted September 22, 2012 11:26 AM
I was Saturn in the square, and I severed things/ran away/gave up/left Venus. In the beginning it was great. Ultimately I felt Venus was making demands on my time without giving the effort & energy to justify my continued "sacrifice". Twice I turned down opportunities for fun due to previous commitments to Venus. Of course Venus did as had become her thing, she was lazy and took me for granted...I felt. This is when I made the decision to pursue fun instead of the same-ole with Venus. I didn't want to string Venus along and use 'em as a last minute back up so I severed ties completely. I'm happy with my decision. Their own Saturn makes a 20 degree conjunction to my own Venus. IP: Logged |
sweet-scorpion
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posted September 22, 2012 11:38 AM
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Originally posted by Nine:
I was Saturn in the square, and I severed things/ran away/gave up/left Venus. In the beginning it was great. Ultimately I felt Venus was making demands on my time without giving the effort & energy to justify my continued "sacrifice". Twice I turned down opportunities for fun because due to previous commitments to Venus. Of course Venus did as had become her thing, she was lazy and took me for granted...I felt. This is when I made the decision to pursue fun instead of the same-ole with Venus. I didn't want to string Venus along and use 'em as a last minute back up so I severed ties completely. I'm happy with my decision.
This is a really interesting description of hard Saturn-Venus aspects in synastry. To me, it's incredibly accurate as to what I'm going through with someone right now, except we have the opposition so it seems to swing back and forth between acceptance of ties and then, wanting to rip the shackles off. I have my Saturn in Pisces in their 7th, opposite their Rx Virgo Venus-Merc conjunction. Sometimes it appears that they've used me as something to do last minute. Other times I *know* I'm using them as something to do when I'm lonely and I have nobody else. Right now I'm beginning to feel that I'm getting a little worn down from the noncommittal Venus who doesn't want to acknowledge the depth of a possible good relationship that my Saturn would crave to begin with. But now my Saturn is getting annoyed because the Rx Virgo Venus won't get its act together, and I'm sick of the BS at times. I feel like I'm almost the one who doesn't want to commit now, since the entire relationship has drained me, but I have no idea how to break away when the time comes. What seemed like the ideal to begin with is now turning into something that almost gives me a headache. Anybody else get this with Saturn-Venus in synastry? IP: Logged |
Nine
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posted September 22, 2012 12:00 PM
^^ That is interesting S-S. So Venus ain't always the innocent one in all this. IP: Logged |
Moonfish
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posted September 22, 2012 12:08 PM
I've had a Guy's Saturn conjunct my Sun-Mars-Pluto. Just being around him felt suffocating, and I could tell that he was trying to stick to me like glue if you will. I have strong Uranus aspects so immediately I stopped talking to him. It's funny because we didn't even know eachother for a week before he started jumping to the conclusion that we were going to be together  I had no idea where he got that thought from.. we never hung out alone, and we barely spoke. Never gave him any impression whatsoever that I wanted to be more than friends. IP: Logged |
aquaguy91
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posted September 22, 2012 12:33 PM
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Originally posted by Nine:
^^ That is interesting S-S. So Venus ain't always the innocent one in all this.
yes, venus is sometimes at fault when it comes to venus/saturn. i was saturn squaring a girls venus once and i wasnt the a**hole that people make us out to be.lmao i wasn't judgemental/condescending of her,i didnt suffocate her either. I was serious about our relationship and made it clear that i was in it for the long haul, but so did she, she acted like the wanted that. she made lots of empty promises and then flaked. i will admit that i did give her the saturn guilt trip after she flaked out on me, i reminded her of all the promises she made. maybe saturn is too heavy sometimes, but venus can be a flaky immature brat. IP: Logged |
Moonfish
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posted September 22, 2012 01:11 PM
^ Sorry to say this but it's better to leave someone that makes you unhappy rather than stay and live in a lie, right?
If you truly love somebody the most important thing would be their happiness, and sometimes that happiness doesn't involve us in it. I'm not saying you don't have the right to feel sad because now your not able to be as close to them as you'd like to be... but at the same time you shouldn't force or make them feel bad that they no longer want to be with you. I mean maybe she really did want to have a long-term relationship with you, but sometimes people's feelings change and we just have to except that. IP: Logged |
aquaguy91
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posted September 22, 2012 01:15 PM
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Originally posted by Moonfish:
^ Sorry to say this but it's better to leave someone that makes you unhappy rather than stay and live in a lie, right?
If you truly love somebody the most important thing would be their happiness, and sometimes that happiness doesn't involve us in it. I'm not saying you don't have the right to feel sad because now your not able to be as close to them as you'd like to be... but at the same time you shouldn't force or make them feel bad that they no longer want to be with you. I mean maybe she really did want to have a long-term relationship with you, but sometimes people's feelings change and we just have to except that.
i agree. but i think its messed up to lead people on, and i think thats what the venus person does to the saturn person.and then they wonder why we get angry lol.
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Nine
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posted September 22, 2012 01:19 PM
^^ **sniff** Truth.In the past when I discovered someone didn't return my feelings the desire was for them to fall down a flight of stairs, stumble out the door and into a car that explodes. These days I figure much as how I loved them, I can love another.  IP: Logged |
aquaguy91
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posted September 22, 2012 01:23 PM
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Originally posted by Nine:
^^ **sniff** Truth.In the past when I discovered someone didn't return my feelings the desire was for them to fall down a flight of stairs, stumble out the door and into a car that explodes. These days I figure much as how I loved them, I can love another.
its not even that. i just hate how people are flaky and lead people on. if your not interested in someone then dont waste their time by pretending to be.
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VenusDiSirius
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posted September 22, 2012 01:25 PM
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Originally posted by Nine:
In the past when I discovered someone didn't return my feelings the desire was for them to fall down a flight of stairs, stumble out the door and into a car that explodes.
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These days I figure much as how I loved them, I can love another.
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Moonfish
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posted September 22, 2012 01:25 PM
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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
i agree. but i think its messed up to lead people on, and i think thats what the venus person does to the saturn person.and then they wonder why we get angry lol.
Oh absolutely no one should be used, ever However what if she didn't lead you on, what if she really ment everything she said but one day her emotions just changed?
Would their have been a way she could of moved on without it making you angry? IP: Logged |
Nine
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posted September 22, 2012 01:27 PM
^^Yes. Yes. I don't mean to defend Venus here, but sometimes they're not flaky, but flirty. Or they're not interested and don't want to hurt your feelings, so they drop "hints." IP: Logged |
aquaguy91
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posted September 22, 2012 01:34 PM
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Originally posted by Moonfish:
Oh absolutely no one should be used, ever
However what if she didn't lead you on, what if she really ment everything she said but one day her emotions just changed? Would their have been a way she could of
moved on without it making you angrwell thats y?
well that's the thing, I do not understand flaky or changing emotions. maybe its all my fixed placements, but my emotions don't just change toward people, if I like them/love them they have to do something to mess it up. in the situation with that girl,she was supposedly in love with me one night and then the next day wanted nothing to do with me, I'm sorry, I don't buy that her emotions changed that quickly. IP: Logged |
aquaguy91
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posted September 22, 2012 01:42 PM
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Originally posted by Nine:
^^Yes. Yes. I don't mean to defend Venus here, but sometimes they're not flaky, but flirty. Or they're not interested and don't want to hurt your feelings, so they drop "hints."
that wasnt how it was in my case, venus was the aggressor , she asked for my number etc. we dated for months and she was talking about how she wanted us to get married someday and have kids.she gave me all kinds of bs about how she loved me and never wanted to lose me, then flaked on me.the last time we talked she was giving me all that bs and the next day she was avoiding me like the plague, and when i asked here wtf was going on, she just said" get over it." IP: Logged |
sweet-scorpion
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posted September 22, 2012 01:51 PM
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Originally posted by Nine:
^^ That is interesting S-S. So Venus ain't always the innocent one in all this.
No - at least, not always. I think both can be to blame but in this case it's more Venus since he has Moon sq. Venus, Venus Rx and Venus in Virgo conjunct Merc, and Saturn quincunx Venus. Also my Saturn is in Pisces so I guess that's why it's more difficult. It wants to use compassion to dissolve his walls and structure him in relationships but it doesn't always work out... so I feel frequently hurt. Funny how it's different for us. IP: Logged |
Moonfish
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posted September 22, 2012 01:53 PM
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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
well that's the thing, I do not understand flaky or changing emotions. maybe its all my fixed placements, but my emotions don't just change toward people, if I like them/love them they have to do something to mess it up. in the situation with that girl,she was supposedly in love with me one night and then the next day wanted nothing to do with me, I'm sorry, I don't buy that her emotions changed that quickly.
I'm pretty fixed myself having a Scorpio stellium w/ strong pluto aspects. So personally, my feelings for someone don't quickly change either. I'm not taking her side because maybe she WAS being flaky, I wasn't there lol.. but we're not robots my friend and we do change physically, emotionally, and mentally throughout our entire lives.. some faster than others. IP: Logged |
peachbeigeblue
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posted September 22, 2012 03:14 PM
The guy who I am currently seeing I have a personal planet contact with his saturn and vice versa. At one point - I kind of wanted to be like .."whatever, i'm out" but I couldn't. It's not a painful situation at all, but difficult nonetheless. When I pressed and pressed him about what I wanted different - I was surprised he didn't give up either. Not that I think he is the type but since it's still pretty new - either of us could have folded. I thought of this thread during those conversations. I think it's that saturn. But, now I'm wondering - since we BOTH have it.. what does THAT mean? It will be difficult for either of us to throw in the towel? Or perhaps slightly easier for the one with the looser orb? His saturn sextiles my moon (1 degree)
My saturn sextiles his mercury (1 degree) and venus (2 1/2 degrees)
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Moonfish
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posted September 22, 2012 03:32 PM
^ my bestie was in a relationship with a guy she had Mars square Saturn DW They looked like an old married couple, never showed any affection towards eachother, especially not in public. Looking at them you'd think they were acquaintances that decided to call eachother gf/bf. They're relationship lasted 4 years, but according to my friend it should of ended within the first month
Now if they can end a relationship with those aspects, you guys can too. Free will IP: Logged |
Nine
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posted September 22, 2012 04:54 PM
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that wasnt how it was in my case, venus was the aggressor , she asked for my number etc. we dated for months and she was talking about how she wanted us to get married someday and have kids.she gave me all kinds of bs about how she loved me and never wanted to lose me, then flaked on me.the last time we talked she was giving me all that bs and the next day she was avoiding me like the plague, and when i asked here wtf was going on, she just said" get over it."
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RunAroundScreaming
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posted September 22, 2012 05:07 PM
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Originally posted by peachbeigeblue:
The guy who I am currently seeing I have a personal planet contact with his saturn and vice versa. At one point - I kind of wanted to be like .."whatever, i'm out" but I couldn't. It's not a painful situation at all, but difficult nonetheless. When I pressed and pressed him about what I wanted different - I was surprised he didn't give up either. Not that I think he is the type but since it's still pretty new - either of us could have folded. I thought of this thread during those conversations. I think it's that saturn. But, now I'm wondering - since we BOTH have it.. what does THAT mean? It will be difficult for either of us to throw in the towel? Or perhaps slightly easier for the one with the looser orb? His saturn sextiles my moon (1 degree)
My saturn sextiles his mercury (1 degree) and venus (2 1/2 degrees)
now thats good saturn the sextiles and trines give trust to a relationship and feel very fulfilling and deep this thread's talking about squares and such, and Double Whammies. ------------------
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mir
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posted September 22, 2012 05:33 PM
"Regardless of how I behaved - the bottom line is.. I did NOT leave you. YOU left ME."Yes that's exactly *me* in my last serious relationship with me being Venus conj. his Saturn.
I didn't give up (he did) because *I* don't want to blame myself afterwards/later in life for breaking up (that's why I fought to death to keep us together). You know deep down inside that if you truly love someone you WILL regret that decision one day. And if you let the decision up to him/her you also know the only one who may regret *IS* him/her ~ and so we feel more safe in that position.
So in fact, because the love is deep we simply can't take that responsibility (I get more Nept. than Saturn association now) as we also know that relationships are *never* easy or simple and we may feel the other party is just living in a dream without much reality. "You really think the grass is greener on the other side?"
But *I* was Venus and my Saturn didn't do much to his planets. IP: Logged |
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