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Topic: Kennedy & Lincoln
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VenusDiSirius
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posted September 30, 2012 05:42 PM
  
 I was musing on whether these parallels translate to their natal charts,as well. Note that Lincoln's TOB is B rated.  
~Both have Saturn & Neptune to MC
~Both have H8 Mars disposited by Venus
~Both have Sun & Rising in Air with Earth Moon
~Kennedy has H9 Pluto,Lincon has H9 in Scorpio
Was expecting more,but maybe the clues lie in progressions/transitions?
Found this too,the part about Jupiter/Saturn
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C1ND3R
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posted September 30, 2012 05:47 PM
Ah, he was born again..I forget what it's called but supposedly people are born again with the same face or something and there are people who find a photograph of someone lon ago and say it was you because the face is identical.. I don't know what it's called... Do lincoln and bobby look alike?
http://www.iisis.net/index.php?page=semkiw-reincarnation-past-lives-principles
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VenusDiSirius
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posted September 30, 2012 05:50 PM
No,they don't  IP: Logged |
C1ND3R
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posted September 30, 2012 05:57 PM
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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
No,they don't
Uff.. I was gonna make a joke in really bad taste but i'll refrain. Anywho, i edited and posted a link to what i was talking about if you're interested. I found it long ago while reading into that many lives many masters book. IP: Logged |
VenusDiSirius
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posted September 30, 2012 05:59 PM
Thanks,but I am only interested in astrological aspect  IP: Logged |
Nine
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posted September 30, 2012 06:40 PM
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A week before Lincoln's assassination, he was in Monroe...
A week before Kennedy's assassination, he was with Monroe...
awww, how polite. IP: Logged |
VenusDiSirius
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posted September 30, 2012 07:15 PM
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TheManticore
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posted September 30, 2012 10:27 PM
Both of them are Snakes as well  ------------------
Leo Sun, Scorpio Moon, Aquarius ASC, Year of the Earth Snake
"The Manticore is a mythological creature that is half-lion and half-scorpion." IP: Logged |
JohnFKennedy
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posted September 30, 2012 11:05 PM
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Originally posted by Nine:
awww, how polite.
Impossible anyway as Monroe died in 1962 and Kennedy was assassinated in late 1963 IP: Logged |
Lioness
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posted September 30, 2012 11:07 PM
Ooo WOW.. trip outIP: Logged |
VenusDiSirius
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posted October 01, 2012 07:24 AM
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Originally posted by JohnFKennedy:
Impossible anyway as Monroe died in 1962 and Kennedy was assassinated in late 1963
Absolutely right. I feel so tricked right now!!
I will check transits for their elections,though.
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Lonake
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posted October 01, 2012 11:03 PM
Both have Asc ruler in H8, if that time is decent anyway.
Altho what on earth happened to Lincoln being a Scorp rising? Geez. o well at least he still has his Cap Moon.Lincoln assassination,
T Mars opp SA Uranus
SA Mars opp T Uranus
SA Pluto opp N Uranus
Kennedy assassination,
Has N Mars H8 sq N Uranus, Mars SA'd to conj N Pluto
P Asc sq N Uranus Lincoln assassination,
T Saturn conj N Mars
Kennedy assassination,
T Saturn sq N Mars Lincoln assassination,
T Saturn sq N Moon
SA Saturn conj N Moon
Kennedy assassination,
SA Saturn sq P Moon Lincoln assassination,
T Uranus inconj N Moon
Kennedy assassination,
T Uranus sq N Moon Lincoln assassination,
Born with a Merc/Pluto conj, died under a T Merc/Pluto conj (T was opp his N Uranus)
The N Merc/Pluto conj SA'd to opp his N Uranus (which is natally trine Merc), so T Merc/Pluto had been conj his SA Merc/Pluto
Kennedy assassination,
Born with a Merc H8 sq Uranus, died under a T Merc/Uranus sq (which brought his N Sun/P Moon/P MC into a tsq)
Mars/Merc natal H8 conj SA'd to conj N Pluto Lincoln assassination,
NN return in Scorpio
Kennedy assassination,
T NN conj N SN Lincoln assassination,
T Neptune conj N Venus
Kennedy assassination,
N Neptune conj SA Venus Lincoln assassination,
P Moon conj N Sun (more or less, dependent on time, at this time the orb is 4)
Kennedy assassination,
P Moon conj N Sun (orb 1) IP: Logged |
VenusDiSirius
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posted October 02, 2012 10:23 AM
Both have Scorpio Sun for election,but I suppose the election dates are always during the same period,Oct-Nov?
Both eleceted post Full Moon - truly new start? Kennedy
Jupiter return + election during Mercury Rx (scandals?) saMercury conj H9 Pluto (natally,Mercury rules H12 - the collective,H9 - the philosophy of this political agenda) saJupiter conj nPluto in Cancer,separation by degree
pMercury over MC in Cancer,2 degrees separation
and USAtastic Cancer tMoon in over the first decan tMercury trining MC
tSun conj tMercury
tJupiter oppo nPluto
tSaturn oppo MC,2 degrees applying (sq Asc)
tPluto conj saSaturn (IC ruler)
tNN over saNeptune (Saturn & Neptune MC-bound,natally) - if you pay attention to tNN. Mercury being big player,dispositor of his Sun and chart ruler Venus. Loads of appeal to him,pMoon in H7 and pMars over nVenus. Lincoln The TOB is B rated,rectified,going by the midwife's saying "sunup" That's far from Scorpio,but still,Aqua is cool,especially Sun rising.
Election during Uranus Rx. pMoon (H6 ruler) in H10
pMoon conj sa Mars in Sag
saMC conj pMoon in Cap,separation by 2 degree
saMoon conj pMoon in Cap,applying by 2 degree
saMoon conj pMercury in Pisces
pSun conj saAsc in Aries,2 degree separation
tMoon sq nNN & Uranus in Leo
possibly tMoon sq tSun
tMoon sq saMercury & Pluto
tMercury conj MC in Sag,by degree applying
tMars conj Sun/Asc,by applying 3 degrees
tJupiter oppo nSun
tSaturn trine saPluto
tSaturn sq nMC/Neptune
tUranus sq nMercury,by degree
tUranus sq nPluto,by degree
tNN conj nMoon
tNN sq nMars
On related note,I was told once,when it comes to any sort of high responsability,in charge,of-importance situations,not to act under H12 influences,especially when in progression/transition H12 planet links to H1 - like Lincoln had.
Different times,different needs,and not many connections between the too.
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Blanky
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posted October 05, 2012 01:36 PM
Dear VenusDiSirius,Those are amazing comparisons. Did you know that both wives tried to keep both Presidents home that day? Lincoln's Wife, Mary Todd Lincoln, was into the occult and told Lincoln he shouldn't go to the theatre. Many astrologers and Jacqueline Kennedy herself had a bad feeling about her husband going to Dallas. I often suggest that we listen to our "feelings" and our "knowings" because there is much much more 'out there' than we can actually "see." Seems fated to me. Very interesting. Thanks for bringing that to our attention. Have a wonderful day. IP: Logged |
VenusDiSirius
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posted October 05, 2012 05:55 PM
No,I didn't - it seems like a good curiosity to be uses instead of that MM connection
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Jovian
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posted October 11, 2012 05:51 PM
Hah...those connections are remarkable. Come on--that Monroe one is as well! Why hide the truth? It is part of the remarkable string of name coincidences.Though, I don't know why they say Lincoln was shot in a theater named Kennedy? It was Ford's Theatre. ...I assume it was an oversight, as it is still a word play on car brands. ..In this case it would actually be more appropriate to use Ford as the car Kennedy was in, as Lincoln is a division of Ford! I've heard this one before, I think from a mention by Iq, who is keen on this one. Looks like he started an asteroid analysis page at his site, though has yet to embark on it:
http://www.tamsoft.co.in/reincarnation.html Here is the main page of his free articles:
http://tamsoft.co.in/articles.html
Have you also read The Reincarnation of Abraham Lincoln, by Richard Salva?
http://www.crystalclarity.com/product.php?code=BRAL
That one posits that he came back as Charles Lindbergh. The author pursued the quest because Paramahansa Yogananda claimed there was a reincarnational relationship between the two; I believe he said it in Autobiography of a Yogi? The book has all kinds of coincidences between their lives, such as those you mention. ...The soul is vast, so who's to say they aren't all the same soul manifesting? IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted October 11, 2012 07:08 PM
Welcome Blankey 
That is a great point!------------------
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Nine
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posted October 11, 2012 07:34 PM
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Lincoln assassination,
P Moon conj N Sun (more or less, dependent on time, at this time the orb is 4)
Kennedy assassination,
P Moon conj N Sun (orb 1)
I saw this. Lonake, do you count the ppNew Moon? What do you have to say about it?? pp - Personal Progressed. As we know when pMoon conjuncts pSun, we have a Progressed New Moon, a MAJOR energy source. For those studying progressions what's been your observations of pMoon conjunct nSun - what I call Personal Progressed New Moon & other such phases where pMoon aspects nSun?? My own finding is that its impactful but not potent as the progressed on progressed dynamic. IP: Logged |
Jovian
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posted October 11, 2012 08:01 PM
Ok, this thing spurred me to go off and plug in the asteroids I’ve been using for my personal past life analyses into the synastry chart for these two.3811 Karma
55555 DNA
37452 Spirit
390 Alma (Spanish for Soul)
1247 Memoria
6583 Destinn
13226 Soulie Additionally, asteroids specifically for this case: 3153 Lincoln
7166 Kennedy I think if anyone’s time of birth is suspect it’s that 3pm for JFK, no? Anyway, here’s what we’ve got, sticking to conjunctions and oppositions, and under 3 degrees, except for a few exceptions. Abe -- JFK IC conj SUN (<1 degree - what many around here seem to call “exact”)
NEPTUNE opp SUN (<2)
MOON opp SATURN (<1)
SUN conj URANUS (<1) SPIRIT conj ALMA (<1)
ALMA opp KARMA (<1)
ALMA conj N. Node (<2)
N. Node conj SPIRIT (<2)
MEMORIA opp SOULIE (<2)
URANUS conj SPIRIT (<2)
KARMA conj DESTINN (<3) KENNEDY conj ASC (<2)
KENNEDY opp KENNEDY (<2)
SOULIE conj KENNEDY (<4)
Natally… Kennedy has: KARMA conj S. Node (<2)
SUN conj LINCOLN (<3)
LINCOLN conj MEMORIA (<4) Lincoln has:
KARMA opp KENNEDY (<3) Each has the other’s name in their 8th house. Heliocentric synastry: Abe –- JFK KARMA conj MARS (<1)
ALMA opp VENUS (<1)
MARS opp DESTINN (<1)
SPIRIT opp NEPTUNE (<1)
ALMA conj MERCURY (<2)
MERCURY opp SPIRIT (<3)
MEMORIA conj EARTH (<2) ALMA opp SOULIE (<2)
JUPITER conj CHIRON (<2)
JUPITER opp DNA (<2)
MARS conj DNA (<3) KENNEDY opp KENNEDY (<2)
LINCOLN opp DESTINN (<2)
LINCOLN conj DNA (<3)
...Now for the really fun stuff…
1486 Marilyn
3768 Monroe
13852 Ford
13825 Booth (See those two numbers!)
Natally, JFK has MARILYN conj NEPTUNE (<1)
Abe has FORD square BOOTH (<1)
Synastry:
Abe -- JFK MONROE conj MARILYN (<2)
MARILYN conj MERCURY (<1)
MARILYN conj MARS (<3) FORD conj CHIRON (<1 minute!)
BOOTH square CHIRON (<1)
PLUTO conj BOOTH (<2)
S. Node conj FORD (<3)
I'd say there is definitely something going on here!
*I reserve the right to fix any errors in my calculations at a later time. I may post this in Asteroid forum as well.
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Jovian
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posted October 11, 2012 08:32 PM
This is bonkers. Pursuing the interestingly similar asteroid numbers of 13852 FORD and 13825 BOOTH, I find this description of the discovery of FORD: 13852 Ford
Discovered 1999 Dec. 7 by the Lincoln Laboratory Near-Earth Asteroid Research Team at Socorro. Named in honor of Ralph Ford for mentoring a finalist in the 2001 Discovery Young Scientist Challenge (DYSC), a middle school science competition. Ford is a teacher at the Manhattan Beach Middle School, Manhattan Beach, California.
http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/sbdb.cgi?sstr=13852
...And this for the discovery of BOOTH:
13825 Booth
Discovered 1999 Nov. 4 by the Lincoln Laboratory Near-Earth Asteroid Research Team at Socorro. Tempest Diane Booth mentored a finalist in the 2002 Discovery Channel Youth Science Challenge (DCYSC), a middle school science competition. She teaches at the Southside Fundamental Middle School, St. Petersburg, Florida.
http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/sbdb.cgi?sstr=13825
..Of course, it seems the Lincoln Laboratory has discovered thousands of asteroids over the years, but isn't it interesting that those two would have been found just a month apart, given numbers with juxtaposed last digits, and then given these names significantly after the discoveries, at different times?
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VenusDiSirius
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posted October 11, 2012 09:01 PM
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Originally posted by Nine:
For those studying progressions what's been your observations of pMoon conjunct nSun - what I call Personal Progressed New Moon & other such phases where pMoon aspects nSun??
Oh,great times.
Just,later that year Moon progressed into Virgo - I didn't react well to that. IP: Logged |
Nine
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posted October 12, 2012 12:52 AM
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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
Oh,great times.
Just,later that year Moon progressed into Virgo - I didn't react well to that.
Did pMoon in Virgo move to conjunct pSun already in Virgo at that time?? IP: Logged |
VenusDiSirius
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posted October 12, 2012 05:22 AM
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Originally posted by Nine:
Did pMoon in Virgo move to conjunct pSun already in Virgo at that time??
No - when pMoon conj pSun I graduated,knew what I wanted,freedom + clarity.
pMoon & pSun in Virgo,while pMercury was in H12 both natally and in progressed chart. So,when the conj came along,it gave me the strength to jump out of it. IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted October 13, 2012 02:22 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Nine:
I saw this. Lonake, do you count the ppNew Moon? What do you have to say about it??
Hi Nine, funny you ask about the pp New Moon as you noted, as I've just come out of one (pMoon/nSun) however mine was conjunct transiting Neptune at the time. I wish I could give you a recent personal experience that wasn't so obviously flavored by a major transiting planet. Plus sa.Neptune has been conj my n.Moon (in orb at the time of t.Neptune on p.Moon) and will be exact conj later this month. It's just been one of those times I guess where everything piles up and it's hard to tell what's what. I guess what I can say in a nutshell for this PPNM is that I've been made more aware of my strengths in my natal solar area and have been clued in a bit in a bizarre way (this could be t.Neptunian/sa.Neptune talk here, but then again I'm a Pisces so, hey) but I'm seeing how the universe has allowed certain things that I've needed to fall into my lap. In a very definite way it's been a full-circle, getting to know the pattern of my life and how my desires have been fulfilled, and what part I played in my romantic life/career/family life, etc. In others I've seen this happen in a more negative way depending on their path thus far, but I see this specific conjunction PPNM as the past catching up to the present. I wouldn't say it's exactly karmic, but there is a certain responsibility one has to accounting their life back to themselves, checks and balances, to be in full accordance with a vision of who one is/will be, what one has done, and its impact across the years. I've particularly been feeling the full strength of the influence I'm capable of wielding and the impact that can have on my life and the lives of those close to me; it's quite awe inspiring. The opposition I'm not as fond of since from my experience and looking at others it's a time of re-evaluation, circumstances (and astrological influences) tend to add up to where the individual is at a turning point in life and there has to be a leap forward or remain stuck in the past and if they stay stuck things just get worse, like the pile-up is never-ending; it doesn't tend to be an easy transition. (Sorry for the run-ons, my mind's half on the things I have to finish before I tuck in for the night.) Basically what you stand for is being threatened on some level, what you're used to, what you held up as saying 'this is part of me.' For instance someone who was laid off from a job they took a lot of pride in could be under that kind of influence, thinking, how do I move forward now; steady ground harder to find, this is with the 'personal prog full moon' as you might call it, lot of things up in the air, in flux, and very dependent on other influences to see what emotional strain they might be under and how it might progress. But, a great time to make a change. A great time to just go ahead and try something new and challenge how you identify yourself, what you think you're capable of, could be pleasantly surprised, but possibly after being in a state of anxiety, depending.
I know you were on here a couple days ago when you wrote this and I don't know if you'll get a chance to come back to this thread but if you do, I'm wondering on your experience with the progressed New Moon (pMoon/pSun), as I'll have one (the first in a while) late next yr I believe, in my 9th, in Aries. If you can remember back to that time, that is, and your perception of how it differed from the PPNM. IP: Logged |
Nine
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posted October 13, 2012 10:36 AM
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No - when pMoon conj pSun I graduated,knew what I wanted,freedom + clarity.pMoon & pSun in Virgo,while pMercury was in H12 both natally and in progressed chart. So,when the conj came along,it gave me the strength to jump out of it.
Yea. pretty much what I expect from a pNew Moon. It gives the impetus to get up and do something. IP: Logged | |
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