posted October 07, 2012 08:06 PM            

I also know a couple with the love stellium and composite sun square pluto who have been very stable and happy together for 5 yrs

And I know two female best friends who have been best friends since elementary and still going strong. they have composite sun conjunct venus and sun square pluto in synastry

posted October 07, 2012 08:09 PM            

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Originally posted by PhoenixFire:
Lol I think everything is possible even when it involves Pluto where there is a will there is a way. That said, it might be easier for people w strong natal Plutonic energies to handle the heat of Pluto in love.

My husband & I have his Sun/Venus square my Pluto, and a loose conj of my Venus to his Pluto. It isn't easy to manage, but it helps that he is has natal Pluto squares and heavy Scorpio energy and I'm comfortable w my own Pluto energies.

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posted October 07, 2012 08:11 PM            

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Originally posted by RunAroundScreaming:
Well my friend's parent's have been married over 20 yrs I think and they have DW sun-pluto in synastry which is intense and very plutonian (I have had DW sun-pluto before so I know what it feels like, definitely crazy)

I also know a couple with the love stellium and composite sun square pluto who have been very stable and happy together for 5 yrs

And I know two female best friends who have been best friends since elementary and still going strong. they have composite sun conjunct venus and sun square pluto in synastry

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posted October 07, 2012 08:42 PM            

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Originally posted by RunAroundScreaming:
i dont understand what u explained about the relationship u were in. help?

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So guys 10+ years older than me, can have their virgo pluto's hit my virgo moon
then the libra pluto guys start in 1971-83 can hit my libra 1st house planets....
guys close to my age to nearly 10 years younger than me, can have their pluto's touching me somewhere in my 1st house!

posted October 07, 2012 08:43 PM            

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posted October 07, 2012 08:50 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I will say what equals Pluto intensity in asteroids: nessus and dejanira. These do not seem to last. You know the phrase"too hot not to cool down"

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posted October 08, 2012 01:21 AM            

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Originally posted by crissyx89:
Pluto relationships can work if you can get to the root of jealousy.Ive been on and off with my boyfriend for 9 years now.And our relationship is a plutotian union his pluto touches all of my planets/angles in our synastry chart.

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posted October 08, 2012 01:21 AM            

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Originally posted by Aeline:
My grandparents had Sun conjunct Pluto composite, they were married for more than 50 years and happy together..

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posted October 08, 2012 05:02 AM            

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Originally posted by PhoenixFire:
Lol I think everything is possible even when it involves Pluto where there is a will there is a way. That said, it might be easier for people w strong natal Plutonic energies to handle the heat of Pluto in love.

My husband & I have his Sun/Venus square my Pluto, and a loose conj of my Venus to his Pluto. It isn't easy to manage, but it helps that he is has natal Pluto squares and heavy Scorpio energy and I'm comfortable w my own Pluto energies.

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posted October 08, 2012 05:49 AM            

The Newman/Woodward synastry was an example for this.

HIs Pluto (and BML):
conjunct her DESC exactly
opposite her Saturn
trine her Sun and Venus

her Pluto:
conjunct his DESC widely (4-5)
opposite his Venus
trine his Saturn widely (3-4)

Or Johnny Cash - June Carter.
they DID have very stormy times together but once married they were totally dedicated to each other and their marriage, and actually he followed her only a bit later, after she died.

her Pluto squares his Venus-Uranus-conjunction
(well, now that definitely can`t be compared to the highly Plutonian synastry of the Newmans, but still it is a Venus-Pluto-square).

Friends of mine, together for 12 years, married for 7 years), very very stable couple, sticking together like glue, no passionate stormy on-off outbursts or fallouts

his Pluto opposite her Moon widely (4)
his Pluto conjunct her Mercury (4)
his Pluto conjunct her Venus exact
his Pluto conjunct her Mars exact
his Pluto sextile her Saturn exact
his Pluto square her ASC exact

her Pluto square his Sun
her Pluto trine his Moon very widely (4-5)
her Pluto square his ASC

EDIT:
And yes, they went through "hell".
He was in love with her from the moment they met (she wouldn´t see this though, well I thought it was easy to see, but I guess she did not WANT to know at that time). He adored her, pretty much from afar, they became friends. And he was a true friend to her for several years, saw two nasty breakups through with her. Well, I was there as well, and from my point of view both her previous boyfriends were abusive, emotionally and mentally, in different ways. Still it was really hard for her to let go of especially the first one, as they had been together for 7 years or so (I think they had Sun-Pluto-conjunction in composite).
Well, he was just standing by her side and supporting her as a friend, and never asked for anything more than her friendship.
He was having his own problems at that time, and quite honestly, when she started to really honour their friendship, this resulted in a total makeover for him. lol
Which actually was a good thing and he really wanted that, he just needed someone to believe that he COULD change these habits and that he was worth it that someone took care.

If you see them today, you wouldn´t believe what they`ve been through in their respective lives. And I think that is partially what makes them going so strong.

posted October 08, 2012 09:48 AM            

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Originally posted by 11nahyt:
With Pluto, you have to EARN your "Happily ever after" . You have to go through some type of "hell", in order for you to appreciate the "heaven" later on. It's none of that frilly hot stuff you get with Venus/mars aspect. Pluto is no joke. I feel that most Pluto relationships don't last, is because either one ,or both parties just couldnt handle Pluto. Pluto seems very attractive and hot at first , but then when things other than sex, start getting intense as well, the people involved just can't handle it in the end. Usually it's couples with natal Pluto or Saturn aspects that actually stick through, and make it work. Except for the immature Pluto folks, or those who are still fighting against their natal Pluto. Also, I find that pluto double whammys are better tht one sided Pluto aspects. I think, only those who truly understand pluto, and accept it for what it Is, will have the best chance at reaching their "happily ever after" with Pluto.

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posted October 08, 2012 09:54 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Yes, I think they can.

The Newman/Woodward synastry was an example for this.

HIs Pluto (and BML):
conjunct her DESC exactly
opposite her Saturn
trine her Sun and Venus

her Pluto:
conjunct his DESC widely (4-5)
opposite his Venus
trine his Saturn widely (3-4)

Or Johnny Cash - June Carter.
they DID have very stormy times together but once married they were totally dedicated to each other and their marriage, and actually he followed her only a bit later, after she died.

her Pluto squares his Venus-Uranus-conjunction
(well, now that definitely can`t be compared to the highly Plutonian synastry of the Newmans, but still it is a Venus-Pluto-square).

Friends of mine, together for 12 years, married for 7 years), very very stable couple, sticking together like glue, no passionate stormy on-off outbursts or fallouts

his Pluto opposite her Moon widely (4)
his Pluto conjunct her Mercury (4)
his Pluto conjunct her Venus exact
his Pluto conjunct her Mars exact
his Pluto sextile her Saturn exact
his Pluto square her ASC exact

her Pluto square his Sun
her Pluto trine his Moon very widely (4-5)
her Pluto square his ASC

EDIT:
And yes, they went through "hell".
He was in love with her from the moment they met (she wouldn´t see this though, well I thought it was easy to see, but I guess she did not WANT to know at that time). He adored her, pretty much from afar, they became friends. And he was a true friend to her for several years, saw two nasty breakups through with her. Well, I was there as well, and from my point of view both her previous boyfriends were abusive, emotionally and mentally, in different ways. Still it was really hard for her to let go of especially the first one, as they had been together for 7 years or so (I think they had Sun-Pluto-conjunction in composite).
Well, he was just standing by her side and supporting her as a friend, and never asked for anything more than her friendship.
He was having his own problems at that time, and quite honestly, when she started to really honour their friendship, this resulted in a total makeover for him. lol
Which actually was a good thing and he really wanted that, he just needed someone to believe that he COULD change these habits and that he was worth it that someone took care.

If you see them today, you wouldn´t believe what they`ve been through in their respective lives. And I think that is partially what makes them going so strong.

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posted October 08, 2012 11:12 AM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
This fall in love before actually available to fall in love, must be a theme with pluto! I know it sure was the reason i got dragged through pluto's mud hole!

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No, Pluto is not necessarily tied to lies, that is more Neptune`s forte.
HOWEVER Pluto is prone to "subversive changes" or manipulation;
What is most significant in Plutonic relationship is though that they touch, trigger and break up whatever is considered "taboo".
Since it is a big taboo for people, already in relationships, falling in love with someone else, Pluto might confront the people with EXACTLY that.
It is like if you say: This doesn`t exist, because it is not supposed to exist or happen., then Pluto listens up, chuckles and sais to himself in that velvetian voice, in which you still can hear rough edges scratching underneath: Oh I will show you how it DOES exist.

And then it plunges you into the depth and you have to confront some things you might not be very proud of. I liked what Kim Falconer wrote aobut Eros in aspect to Pluto, that is exactly how I see Pluto operate generally.

In the case of my friens there were never lies involved. Though her previous partner cheated on her, and even though she confronted him about it, he would STILL deny it, despite all evidence,w hich drove her crazy, and in total Pluto-mode (pretty much waiting in her car all night in front of the home of the girl he was cheating with, just to see if he might appear - and that was totally unlike my friend usually. She didn`t really do anything, she just needed to know; she practically begged him to be honest with her, but he couldn´t. He just kept on his double life, and it took a long time until she was able to make the cut).

However, in the relationship with her husband, they have always been very honest with each other, even if it hurt to hear the truth (they share a DW of Sun square Mars as well).

When it comes to Pluto I think actually his purpose or intention is to push us towards greater authenticity and honesty, and burn away those perceptions and ideas that sound good,b ut do not really have anything to do with our true feelings.

But as I said, yes he can manipulate to reach his goals, and in the case the personal planets indicate someone avoids confrontation (the first boyfriend of my friend had a stellium of Sun-Venus-Mars-ASC in Libra all conjunct Uranus and Moon conjunct Neptune), then it might seem easier to lie than to face the truth, just to maintain the smooth surface.

But lying is not really a trait that comes with Pluto per se.

posted October 08, 2012 11:16 AM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:

Ive been in 2 pluto relationships...their plutos to me...and they both were in other relationships and lied! They both kept the lies going for some time!

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Did you know they were in a relationship, when you started a relationship with them?

posted October 08, 2012 11:30 AM            

" in Synastry Aspect to Eros

"A" persons Eros sextile "B" persons Pluto

...dark is the path appointed to thee:
The dead watch the road that leads to the Sea.
--J.R.R. Tolkien

When the god of love meets the god of death, something usually has to give way.
Pluto wants to take things to the edge, to experience a sense of life by getting as close
as possible to its opposite, death. Eros responds to this urge with a deep need to melt
into one the feelings of love, passion, danger, risk, annihilation and transformation.

These two symbols go a long way to describe obsessive and explosive unions that
burn the original nature of the couple down to a fine powder letting what remains
emerge in a new form.

When two people get together with this combination, they often sense that something
profoundly deep is at work. They may feel that they are fated to be together, or
conversely, fated to meet yet not be able to live out the relationship in an ordinary
way. It can feel like a tremendous power is brewing under the surface to which the
couple is aware yet has no control over. These relationships can feel like a picnic on
top of an active volcano. Any minute, things could erupt!

Often with this contact, the individuals involved are willing to risk a great deal to
experience each other. The mystery and intrigue of a taboo encounter lies in wait just
beneath the surface of this raw and compelling attraction. Sometimes the more
‘wrong’ it is in a social or moral sense, the more ‘right’ and imperative it feels
emotionally.

Pluto and Eros both are familiar with the dramatic and when combined in synastry the
highs and lows of an ongoing rapport can take on a proportion much greater than the
situation seems to require. Emotions rage and feeling go over the top as drama
unfolds around something relatively trivial like burnt rice or missed appointments.
The magnitude of these encounters can be overwhelming, as is their capacity to
transform, rejuvenate or destroy.
With the potency of both Eros and Pluto linked, issues of power are never far off.