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Cynnared
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posted October 09, 2012 06:09 PM
  
Hmmmmmm.....maybe try Saturn in the 12th squaring both IC/MC. Sun Con Chiron - opposed to Uranus, square to mars. Sun Chiron is a whopper to deal with.....wound to the self. Well that is how it plays out with me. As far as personal Planets aspecting Saturn or vice versa - I don't have it in my chart. Maybe Mars trine Saturn but that is about it. IP: Logged |
Hanneli
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posted October 09, 2012 06:41 PM
i feel like there are certain aspects between the signs that cripple me... from my knowledge these are what i've been able to narrow the factors down to:neptune (cap) conjunct ascendant (cap)
mercury (can) opposite ascendant (cap)
moon (scor) square venus (leo)
mercury (can) opposite saturn (cap) i also have my saturn conjunct my asc but i've come to appreciate the stability. all my personal planets are fire and water so i need that middle ground. IP: Logged |
Lava Flower
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posted October 09, 2012 06:49 PM
Mine would probably be from Moon opposite Saturn, moon in the 12th, Saturn conjunct ruler of the 7th tight and SN in 2nd. IP: Logged |
Gabby
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posted October 09, 2012 06:52 PM
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Originally posted by asclibrasagsun:
Yes yes of course, I have Saturn in the 4th house! (how horrible!)
Thank you so much for explaining!!!
I'm sorry, i dont mean to pry, but what degree is your 4th house start at, i mean, as an example your libra Ac@9.24...what is the degree of your 4th house cappy@ what? then what is the degree of your saturn, cappy@?
Knowing how close your saturn falls to the 4th house cusp by degree would help us understand if it is saturn wreaking havoc on your emotions! IP: Logged |
asclibrasagsun
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posted October 09, 2012 07:28 PM
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Originally posted by Gabby:
I'm sorry, i dont mean to pry, but what degree is your 4th house start at, i mean, as an example your libra Ac@9.24...what is the degree of your 4th house cappy@ what? then what is the degree of your saturn, cappy@?
Knowing how close your saturn falls to the 4th house cusp by degree would help us understand if it is saturn wreaking havoc on your emotions!
to be quite honest with you, I don't know! I will try to look it up at another time IP: Logged |
aquaguy91
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From: tennessee
Registered: Jan 2012
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posted October 09, 2012 08:01 PM
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Originally posted by greatquincunx:
I have Saturn in the 12th. It doesn't make prominent negative aspects.
It just means I like being to myself and I believe looking for spirituality ...  I think Saturn in the 12th doesn't have much to worry about.
saturn in the twelfth isnt fun IP: Logged |
asclibrasagsun
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posted October 09, 2012 08:24 PM
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Originally posted by Gabby:
I'm sorry, i dont mean to pry, but what degree is your 4th house start at, i mean, as an example your libra Ac@9.24...what is the degree of your 4th house cappy@ what? then what is the degree of your saturn, cappy@?
Knowing how close your saturn falls to the 4th house cusp by degree would help us understand if it is saturn wreaking havoc on your emotions!
Just looked it up, it is at 23 degrees from what it seems! IP: Logged |
greatquincunx
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posted October 09, 2012 10:53 PM
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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
saturn in the twelfth isnt fun
I didn't say that..
It just isn't doom and gloom..for me in this placement .
12th house Sagittarius Saturn with a weak sextile to my sun.This house is Jupiter ruled for me. IP: Logged |
aquaguy91
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posted October 09, 2012 11:09 PM
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Originally posted by greatquincunx:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by aquaguy91:
[b] saturn in the twelfth isnt fun
I didn't say that..
It just isn't doom and gloom..for me in this placement .
12th house Sagittarius Saturn with a weak sextile to my sun.This house is Jupiter ruled for me. [/B][/QUOTE]
oh mine is saturn ruled.
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Aquacheeka
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posted October 09, 2012 11:18 PM
Capricorn affliction.Influence of Saturn, methinks. IP: Logged |
asclibrasagsun
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posted October 09, 2012 11:32 PM
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Originally posted by Aquacheeka:
Capricorn affliction.Influence of Saturn, methinks.
saturn in capricorn right? IP: Logged |
Cynnared
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posted October 10, 2012 11:35 AM
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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
saturn in the twelfth isnt fun
I don't mind having natal Saturn in the 12th........I don't understand why so many negative views and fears about this placement. A need to retreat from the world is relaxing. For me, my biological father left my life when I was young. An interp for Saturn in the 12th...... IP: Logged |
aquaguy91
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posted October 10, 2012 11:40 AM
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Originally posted by Cynnared:
I don't mind having natal Saturn in the 12th........I don't understand why so many negative views and fears about this placement.A need to retreat from the world is relaxing. For me, my biological father left my life when I was young. An interp for Saturn in the 12th......
well maybe its worse for me because my sun is also there conjuncting saturn. IP: Logged |
virgolotus
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posted October 10, 2012 12:04 PM
I have Saturn on the IC as well :\ It really sucks! I never feel good enough and doubt myself a lot. Its like having a really strict parent on your shoulder telling you 'not do this or that' or telling you that you're just making a fool out of yourself. It bugs the crap out of me.IP: Logged |
Gabby
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posted October 10, 2012 12:27 PM
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Originally posted by asclibrasagsun:
Just looked it up, it is at 23 degrees from what it seems!
Ok! Anything falling on Ic will be a tender place, it touches you deeply...with saturn here it restricts emotions by making you question everything, its validity, its purpose to you...it makes it hard to enjoy life and just let go! I had an ex with this placement and if he wasnt working and accomplishing something he felt bad about himself!
This is what saturn will do, if your not being the responsible person that saturn requires...always the adult, no fun allowed, saturn will pick on you!
Trick here is to see your responsibilities different, you cant change saturn but you can come to realize a few things that will help saturn lighten up!
You recognize yourself as the one who takes care of everything, you keep things going and if you don't things fall apart...you are very important and vital to things staying in order!
That being said...if you don't take care of yourself you won't be able to do this! You need to accept part of your responsibility is taking care of your emotional self, its your responsibility to be happy. You need to find the things that bring you joy so you dont burn out...it isnt something you are doing for fun, its required for self preservation!
Do you feel guilty if you enjoy the food you eat? No, you realize eating is required, its something you must do so you don't die! So is having fun, so is taking time to do things that make you feel special. If you don't know what you like and do things that feed your soul, you are emotionally starving yourself! Thats very irresponsible of saturn to allow you to starve like that! Your going to burn out and then have nothing to give! Saturn needs to kick into gear here, and start working to get you back to a healthy emotional state so you can be happy and thrive...right now saturn is being very self destructive by not allowing you to feel free to find happiness, guilt is hurting you and you need to see that its your responsibility to change this before it creates even bigger issues! IP: Logged |
Gabby
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posted October 10, 2012 12:56 PM
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Originally posted by asclibrasagsun:
What ascendant and moon signs would enforce low self-confidence?I have libra ascendant and virgo moon, I think I am insecure and have low self-confidence even though I probably shouldn't.
Do you know in this statement you have judged yourself...
"I am insecure and have low self-confidence even though I probably shouldn't." You don't need to judge yourself!!
One thing you need to know is anything you feel, is the right thing to feel!! If you feel bad, then feel BAD...its not right or wrong...its your feelings! Feelings are not black and white they are the grey area thats up for change, growth, they are subjectable to our environment, our hormones, our pasts, our futures....if you feel it, its never wrong!
So tell saturn judging your feelings is irresponsible and self destructive, it goes against all that is needed to advance in life! Judgement is cruel! If you feel something, and then hear that voice telling you to stop feeling it because its wrong...ask yourself, who said it was wrong? Did your mom always tell your feelings were wrong? Did your dad? Past relationships that never validated your needs or made you feeling unimportant?
Where does this voice of judgement come from, if you can identify the person(s) that made you feel your feelings were not important, its a great place to begin! Because you can tell that person to shut up!
If you can't identify the ppl who refused to validate your feelings, then validate your own feelings...when you feel your not supposed to feel a certain way, work on reprogramming your saturn by responsibly seeing how the negative things you say to yourself are depleting your emotional energy!
Your are sabotaging your efforts to be and do your best! You need to feel free to feel anything you want to feel! If your angry then scream, if your sad then cry, if your depressed go eat a bag of reeses and watch a sad movie until it passes!
But dont deny your feelings, your feelings are feeding your needs, your needs feed your soul, your soul is the life force that keeps you alive!! Don't neglect your health, emotionally or physically because you wont be able to take care of your responsibilities without being healthy!
If you deny or question your feelings, its no different than saying...
"Ya, my stomach is growling, i guess im hungry, but i don't know if i should be hungry? Maybe im not supposed to be hungry, maybe, im supposed to be full?
Im going to ignore it because i don't think im supposed to be hungry right now!" You see where that reasoning will take you, you will starve eventually if you keep denying your bodies physical alerts to needing something, you feel hungry...thats how God made us so we would always take care of our ourselves...without that alert we would forget to eat and get weak, sick and eventually die!
Our emotional feelings are the same thing!! Its our bodies way of telling us we need something, and if we ignore it, we will suffer the same consequences, you egt emotionally weak, sick and eventually you shut down...as if thats not bad enough, once your emotionally sick, physical sickness follows, weak, tired, depressed cant get out of bed, immune system lowers, chronic headaches, pains, its a domino affect! Depression is emotional starvation setting in! Its not something you judge, its something you work on to fix by meeting your needs! If it was physical you would go get some food, so you need to go get some emotional nourishment now, before it gets any worse!
I know its hard to do with a virgo moon, we serve others not ourselves! But, i also know you need ppl to listen to you, you need ppl to hear you, you need to feel respected and needed! So, you need to find someone to talk to, who will listen for however long it takes because they CARE!!! If you have no one, ill give you my phone number, because i care!  IP: Logged |
Bearee
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posted October 10, 2012 02:01 PM
I have Saturn in the 4th house. I don't think i have low self esteem, but I am very critical of myself.IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted October 10, 2012 02:12 PM
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Originally posted by asclibrasagsun:
What ascendant and moon signs would enforce low self-confidence?I have libra ascendant and virgo moon, I think I am insecure and have low self-confidence even though I probably shouldn't.
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asclibrasagsun
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posted October 10, 2012 02:18 PM
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Originally posted by Gabby:
Do you know in this statement you have judged yourself...
"I am insecure and have low self-confidence even though I probably shouldn't."You don't need to judge yourself!!
One thing you need to know is anything you feel, is the right thing to feel!! If you feel bad, then feel BAD...its not right or wrong...its your feelings! Feelings are not black and white they are the grey area thats up for change, growth, they are subjectable to our environment, our hormones, our pasts, our futures....if you feel it, its never wrong!
So tell saturn judging your feelings is irresponsible and self destructive, it goes against all that is needed to advance in life! Judgement is cruel! If you feel something, and then hear that voice telling you to stop feeling it because its wrong...ask yourself, who said it was wrong? Did your mom always tell your feelings were wrong? Did your dad? Past relationships that never validated your needs or made you feeling unimportant?
Where does this voice of judgement come from, if you can identify the person(s) that made you feel your feelings were not important, its a great place to begin! Because you can tell that person to shut up!
If you can't identify the ppl who refused to validate your feelings, then validate your own feelings...when you feel your not supposed to feel a certain way, work on reprogramming your saturn by responsibly seeing how the negative things you say to yourself are depleting your emotional energy!
Your are sabotaging your efforts to be and do your best! You need to feel free to feel anything you want to feel! If your angry then scream, if your sad then cry, if your depressed go eat a bag of reeses and watch a sad movie until it passes!
But dont deny your feelings, your feelings are feeding your needs, your needs feed your soul, your soul is the life force that keeps you alive!! Don't neglect your health, emotionally or physically because you wont be able to take care of your responsibilities without being healthy!
If you deny or question your feelings, its no different than saying...
"Ya, my stomach is growling, i guess im hungry, but i don't know if i should be hungry? Maybe im not supposed to be hungry, maybe, im supposed to be full?
Im going to ignore it because i don't think im supposed to be hungry right now!" You see where that reasoning will take you, you will starve eventually if you keep denying your bodies physical alerts to needing something, you feel hungry...thats how God made us so we would always take care of our ourselves...without that alert we would forget to eat and get weak, sick and eventually die!
Our emotional feelings are the same thing!! Its our bodies way of telling us we need something, and if we ignore it, we will suffer the same consequences, you egt emotionally weak, sick and eventually you shut down...as if thats not bad enough, once your emotionally sick, physical sickness follows, weak, tired, depressed cant get out of bed, immune system lowers, chronic headaches, pains, its a domino affect! Depression is emotional starvation setting in! Its not something you judge, its something you work on to fix by meeting your needs! If it was physical you would go get some food, so you need to go get some emotional nourishment now, before it gets any worse!
I know its hard to do with a virgo moon, we serve others not ourselves! But, i also know you need ppl to listen to you, you need ppl to hear you, you need to feel respected and needed! So, you need to find someone to talk to, who will listen for however long it takes because they CARE!!! If you have no one, ill give you my phone number, because i care!
Gabby, thanks so much for the immense help and support you have offered. It means a lot to me. I am not sure if I am ready to talk about everything but what you mentioned deals probably with 95% of the things that I am going through. I truly appreciate it. I think you understand me well because we have a lot of the same
placements within the natal chart. I have a friend who told me one time too, "it's ok to have emotions, you know, you don't need to be so sad if you are experiencing any type of emotions". The other thing that is really debilitating is the fact that I am in love with a person and although of course I have thought that I was "in love" before I know the other times it was just out of boredom and the desire for flirtation, this time it is different, it is a very deep love and affection that has penetrated the very bottom of my soul. The issue is that I am not ready to come clean or declare my love for this individual. I would not be able to handle revealing so much of myself to a certain person. Although I know that, it is ok to be vulnerable, I don't want this vulnerability to harm me. I have fear, maybe because I have a bit of low self-confidence. I just feel like it would be inappropriate to declare something like this especially when that person is not single, but shouldn't I feel bad for me too when I am the one dying here? Don't I deserve a chance at happiness? These are the various thoughts and emotions that race through my mind. So tough, so difficult. IP: Logged |
Gabby
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posted October 10, 2012 02:23 PM
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Gabby
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posted October 10, 2012 02:28 PM
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Originally posted by asclibrasagsun:
Gabby, thanks so much for the immense help and support you have offered. It means a lot to me. I am not sure if I am ready to talk about everything but what you mentioned deals probably with 95% of the things that I am going through. I truly appreciate it. I think you understand me well because we have a lot of the same
placements within the natal chart. I have a friend who told me one time too, "it's ok to have emotions, you know, you don't need to be so sad if you are experiencing any type of emotions". The other thing that is really debilitating is the fact that I am in love with a person and although of course I have thought that I was "in love" before I know the other times it was just out of boredom and the desire for flirtation, this time it is different, it is a very deep love and affection that has penetrated the very bottom of my soul. The issue is that I am not ready to come clean or declare my love for this individual. I would not be able to handle revealing so much of myself to a certain person. Although I know that, it is ok to be vulnerable, I don't want this vulnerability to harm me. I have fear, maybe because I have a bit of low self-confidence. I just feel like it would be inappropriate to declare something like this especially when that person is not single, but shouldn't I feel bad for me too when I am the one dying here? Don't I deserve a chance at happiness? These are the various thoughts and emotions that race through my mind. So tough, so difficult.
Of course you deserve a chance at happiness!! But your situation is a tough one! Is there chance he will be leaving the relationship? He has no idea of your feelings? IP: Logged |
Aquacheeka
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posted October 10, 2012 02:34 PM
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Originally posted by asclibrasagsun:
saturn in capricorn right?
I was thinking of Frankie Sandford. Such a beautiful girl, afflicted with chronically low self-esteem, has battled depression. I knew she was a Cappy even before I looked her up.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2121472/Frankie-Sandfords-battle-depression-The-Saturdays-singer-felt-worthless-ugly.html
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Gabby
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posted October 10, 2012 02:37 PM
Its denying your own needs that is hurting so much...but you can't really get your needs met by him either. You need a resolution of some sort or its only going to hurt more with time. I know self confidence to make a move and get on a more solid ground is hard to come by right now, but its a must! Yes, you take the chance of that resolution being one that means you need to move on, but either way once you get a resolution its the beginning of healing, right now your just standing their with a gaping wound...you can't live like that!! IP: Logged |
asclibrasagsun
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posted October 10, 2012 02:57 PM
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Originally posted by Gabby:
Of course you deserve a chance at happiness!! But your situation is a tough one! Is there chance he will be leaving the relationship? He has no idea of your feelings?
He knows nothing. He may suspect that I do have feelings but I really don't know. I act as a bit of an ice-queen. IP: Logged |
asclibrasagsun
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posted October 10, 2012 02:59 PM
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Originally posted by Aquacheeka:
I was thinking of Frankie Sandford. Such a beautiful girl, afflicted with chronically low self-esteem, has battled depression. I knew she was a Cappy even before I looked her up.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/art icle-2121472/Frankie-Sandfords-battle-depression-The-Saturdays-singer-felt-worthless-ugly.html
Weird how someone so gorgeous and talented could be thinking they are worthless. IP: Logged | |
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