posted October 14, 2012 04:11 PM            

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
What is your 7th ruled by? Also noticed the first time he was abusive which makes me think it was a Saturn-lesson. Has nothing to do with the topic, just throwing it out there lol.

Also I have Karma in Sag in the 6th, inconjunct my Moon in the 11th. So... am I like you relationship wise Sorcha? Or does that mean I have a lot of karma with women?

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I would say to look to the ruler of your 11th and see if asteroid Karma is aspecting either Jupiter or ruler of your 11th as well. Is Karma aspecting any other planets? Also see what Saturn is doing versus what Pluto is doing since they are both karmic in their own ways.

For ueharaa (and hannarama): Yes, I definitely have karma to work out with nearly everyone. It can feel a bit tedious to me at times simply because it feels never ending and sometimes I would like a vacation from it, but (I believe) that we create our own charts in the sense that we come here to experience certain things and our chart merely reflects that so.... suck it up Sorcha!

I was pretty tired when I wrote that last statement and didn't include the entire pattern so I will here in case anyone is interested. All of my angles are connected to the pattern in some way and all the water houses are involved as well.

Okay. So I have NN in Scorpio (H6) and SN in Taurus (H12) and these signs are intercepted. Moon is conjunct my SN in H12. Neptune is found in my 7th house inconjunct Moon in 12. Ruler of 7th and 8th houses is Jupiter, also found in H12 very loosely conjunct Moon.

Ruler of my 12th house is Mars. Saturn is conjunct my IC (ruled by Sun) and is squared by Chiron in H12. Mars is in H4 and is squared by both Moon and Jupiter (from H12). Mars trines Neptune in 7th which completes that connection.

Then as I mentioned, Pluto/Karma are in H5 and are squared by Sun/Venus and trining Mercury (ruler of H1 and 5) and ASC. Pluto/Karma are also sextile to Neptune in H7 which almost completes the connection.

Ruler of my MC is Uranus which is in Scorpio. I have Uranus opposite Chiron in H12. I also have Vertex at 29 Libra conjunct Uranus.

To me, this pattern is set up perfectly to keep me moving from one karmic relationship to the next. It definitely includes my family and friends because between romantic relationships, family/friends issues pop up to be dealt with. (For example, I have a lot of karma with my brother and I met my last ex the day my brother moved to Australia for 3 years. He moved back just after my ex broke up with me.)

Once those are worked on (usually after a period of 6 months to a year) the next romantic relationship will be sent my way. I always know it's karma because as soon as I see the next person I am supposed to know, everything slows down. It's literally like a movie projector sticking and everything goes into slow motion and I know that I have work to do with this particular person.

And just for sh!ts and giggles, the name asteroid of every family member I have is found in my 12th house, most of them conjunct. (This includes all 3 of my mothers and step father.)

I think the main message for me surrounding Karma is transform, transform, transform! Moon conjunct SN and square Mars can hold me back a lot if I'm not careful but ruler of my NN is conjunct Karma which keeps bringing people to me to complete the same lesson if I am being avoidant and Uranus conjunct Vertex reminds me of an extra safety measure put in place to ensure that same thing. { Eg. When Saturn recently transited my Vertex I was broken up with my ex but in total denial. First turn past my Vertex brought us back together for a little liaison. That was obviously the wrong move. I didn't learn from it. Saturn Rx'd over my Vertex again and I told my ex I was still in love with him and (out of guilt, I think) he asked me out on a date. It was a disaster and things finally clicked. When Saturn passed by my Vertex for round 3 recently, I had begun to move on so....nothing.}

I hope all that made sense. It does to me but then I've stared at my chart for many years Basically, there's a karmic pattern in there for all of us but it may be that for some it less intense and/or consistent. Since mine involves so many water/relationship houses I cannot run from it so when I'm not feeling childish about it then I learn a lot and the lessons are sweeter and less painful.

posted October 14, 2012 04:54 PM            

Attracting good relationships can be as easy as.... having an easy aspect between the Ascendant Ruler (you) and the Descendant ruler (relationships).

a hard aspect between these two Rulers shows conflict even if you have otherwise great aspects.

posted October 14, 2012 04:55 PM            

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Originally posted by lalalinda:
This is going to surprise some of you but, here it goes.

Attracting good relationships can be as easy as.... having an easy aspect between the Ascendant Ruler (you) and the Descendant ruler (relationships).

a hard aspect between these two Rulers shows conflict even if you have otherwise great aspects.

So remember, You never get a second chance to make a first impression.

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posted October 15, 2012 02:44 AM            

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
What is your 7th ruled by? Also noticed the first time he was abusive which makes me think it was a Saturn-lesson. Has nothing to do with the topic, just throwing it out there lol.

Also I have Karma in Sag in the 6th, inconjunct my Moon in the 11th. So... am I like you relationship wise Sorcha? Or does that mean I have a lot of karma with women?

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Hi! 7th is ruled by Cancer. Thanks for the comment and interest. It was a lesson for sure with the ex. I feel that without that relationship I would have never been able to attract my now husband. Hard to explain. It softened me for sure. But in a good way. It also hardened me, but in a good way. Quite honestly, I don't think I've necessarily consciously assimilated or integrated the whole experience with the ex even though it was in 2004. But Saturn taught me some big lessons for sure with him.

posted October 15, 2012 03:06 AM            

I was just thinking of the various ways Saturn plays out in our charts. Me for instance, I have other planets mingling with Saturn in my 7th chart and that could be the reason my love affairs are far and few between. Or it might have nothing to do with astrology. You, on the other hand have the opposite reaction to Saturn in your 7th but he still works the way he wants to.

posted October 15, 2012 03:53 AM            

5th house Libra Moon, Saturn and Uranus conjunct DSC in Sag square Venus in Pisces. Jupiter in the 11th in Aries which opposes Moon.

posted October 15, 2012 12:41 PM            

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
Pfft. It's Lindaland. It's not a true thread 'til it goes off topic.

I was just thinking of the various ways Saturn plays out in our charts. Me for instance, I have other planets mingling with Saturn in my 7th chart and that could be the reason my love affairs are far and few between. Or it might have nothing to do with astrology. You, on the other hand have the opposite reaction to Saturn in your 7th but he still works the way he wants to.

How does Saturn aspect your personal planets?

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Haha..True.

All under 7 degree orb I have:
Saturn Sextile Mercury
Saturn sem-sextile Venus
Saturn Sextile Mars
Saturn inconjunct NN
Saturn Opposed to ASC
Saturn Trine Juno

I also have Sun and Venus in the 8th.

I have always attracted a lot of attention romantically. I wonder if this has to do with the many aspects I have to my ASC? But with many of the people I dated it was always somewhat turmultuous.

posted October 15, 2012 01:54 PM            

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
I think it's Venus in the 8th personally. And you also have Venus semi-sextile Saturn, but I have Sun and Venus square Saturn in the 7th and no 8th house planets. I think the 8th house is the "Magnet House" being naturally ruled by Scorpio, so it makes sense.

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Yes, and I also think Asteroids are powerful little suckers when combined with other factors...I have all 4 asteroids below in my 8th house.

As for their major aspects I have:
Sun conjunct Aphrodite, Sun conjunct Sappho
Adonis conjunct Sappho, and Aphrodite, Sappho, Adonis all trine my ASC, Anteros opposed to Black Moon Lilith

I also have Vertex conjunct Venus.

Love, romance, passion, etc. asteroids...

1388 Aphrodite: Impulsive love & attraction; love inspired by fated events

1943 Anteros: Love returned

2101 Adonis: Spellbound love; this is a potent tie & signifies desire to please the beloved

80 Sappho: A very passionate connection

posted October 15, 2012 02:11 PM            

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Originally posted by CRCRINCON:
Yes, and I also think Asteroids are powerful little suckers when combined with other factors...I have all 4 asteroids below in my 8th house.

As for their major aspects I have:
Sun conjunct Aphrodite, Sun conjunct Sappho
Adonis conjunct Sappho, and Aphrodite, Sappho, Adonis all trine my ASC, Anteros opposed to Black Moon Lilith

I also have Vertex conjunct Venus.

Love, romance, passion, etc. asteroids...

1388 Aphrodite: Impulsive love & attraction; love inspired by fated events

1943 Anteros: Love returned

2101 Adonis: Spellbound love; this is a potent tie & signifies desire to please the beloved

80 Sappho: A very passionate connection

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Wow i heard little on those asteroids

adonis conjunct sun
sappho conjunct mercury and chiron
anteros conjunct MC

posted October 15, 2012 02:41 PM            

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Originally posted by doommlord:
Wow i heard little on those asteroids

adonis conjunct sun
sappho conjunct mercury and chiron
anteros conjunct MC

hmmm... i guess im more attractive than i thought

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posted October 15, 2012 10:48 PM            

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Originally posted by CRCRINCON:
Hi greatquincunx. I was married first time a month shy of my 30th bday in 2004. It lasted only 6 months. And second marriage in 2008. First man was abusive. My husband now is wonderful.

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posted October 16, 2012 06:23 PM            

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Originally posted by greatquincunx:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by CRCRINCON:
[b] Hi greatquincunx. I was married first time a month shy of my 30th bday in 2004. It lasted only 6 months. And second marriage in 2008. First man was abusive. My husband now is wonderful.

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I have read that those with Saturn in their 7th should marry later on in life. After their Saturn return. So it sort of fits me.

posted October 16, 2012 06:31 PM            

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Originally posted by ueharaa:
it's the same for me. I also have venus in the 7th but in aqua.
A trine of venus and saturn probably makes your loving nature contained. It certainly makes you take relationship seriously, which then makes it more difficult to date just for fun. However venus uranus aspect should make for a lively love life (after all elizabeth taylor did have the conjunction) or maybe uranus aspects are more about things happening when you least expect it (and certainly when it's the least convenient) ?

Do you have any hard aspects to your 5th and 7th ruler, or some hard aspects to your sun/moon or venus/mars midpoint ?

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Absolutely
and neptune conjuncts my Sun/Moon exact

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SO/MO=NE Days of uncertainty. Cooling off in partnerships, friendships or marriage because of deceptive situation, misunderstandings or lies. The denial of a partnership or a marriage. To ultimately separate.

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posted November 08, 2012 04:18 AM            

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Originally posted by Rosalind:
Empty 7th house in Taurus with ruler in 10th. Venus is at 29 degree in Leo bad aspected by beloved Saturn. I have never had a serious relationship and all my flings were initiated by me (Juno in 1st rx)
Jupiter is in 5th house in Pisces. Didnt have PLENTY opportunities for romance lol. Simply not everyone is made to be in a relationship. Some people REALLY are destined to be alone.

PS: Regarding asteroids... Aphrodite is in 1st house in Scorpio. Mystical beauty? Crap.
Sappho is in 2nd house Rx. In order to have that powerful connection I have to give men money or to high THEIR self esteem right?
Adonis is in 12th house conjuncting Pluto. In the shadows )
Anteros is conjuncting my Sun in Cancer in 9th house. So my forever desired love returned should comes from foreigners? Yeahh

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posted November 08, 2012 04:19 AM            

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Originally posted by astrofan123:
H5 Pisces, then it might help if you work in creative field or with children or sport/games/gambling field. and H9 not only foreigner, also government, justice (police, legal), education and publishing/marketing/advertising. Cancer, another children theme. also food.

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posted November 08, 2012 04:21 AM            

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Originally posted by Rosalind:
Uhm... no thanks. I have other interests in life.

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LOL OK

posted November 08, 2012 04:36 AM            

If by soulmates you mean the love of their life..- venus is the karaka for love. If it is badly placed or combust (ie too close to the sun) then the person will likely have to work to find their soulmate. If it is well placed their soulmate will likely fall into their lap. The same concept also applies with the ruler of the 7th house.

posted November 08, 2012 04:39 AM            

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Originally posted by Mandy pie:
I know this board is mostly for western astrology but I can answer your question using Vedic astrology.

If by soulmates you mean the love of their life..- venus is the karaka for love. If it is badly placed or combust (ie too close to the sun) then the person will likely have to work to find their soulmate. If it is well placed their soulmate will likely fall into their lap. The same concept also applies with the ruler of the 7th house.

I'm not sure about this one- but I'm playing with the idea right now that maybe Saturn in the 12th house might make it more difficult for a person to find a commitment in relationships too. Because Saturn signifies sticking through the hard times as well as the good.

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