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LoVeLy
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posted November 07, 2012 09:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LoVeLy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Long - standing:
My husbands Pluto is on my South Node (and he is a Scorpio), when we met i felt that I knew him (in fact he was a prototype of my favourite book hero )). So his image was in my head from the school.

Did you leave him or are you still with him or do you feel like you want to leave him

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posted November 07, 2012 09:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LoVeLy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I wouldn't go so far as to say that every relationship with SN contacts in synastry must end or is supposed to end...unless there's some kind of hard aspects from one person's planets (maybe their Saturn) to the other person's North Node, because then it could play out as them preventing the other person from developing into what they were meant to be, whether intentionally or not.

Thank you I feel better now lol we have his Sun trine my Sun and Venus his moon trine my S/V and Sat/Uranus tri Jup/Mer etc

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posted November 07, 2012 09:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for StacyLewis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LoVeLy:
Thank you I feel better now lol we have his Sun trine my Sun and Venus his moon trine my S/V and Sat/Uranus tri Jup/Mer etc


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posted November 07, 2012 09:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aquacheeka:
What about NN relationships, you guys? Any insight? My bf and I have NN conjunct NN with a somewhat wide orb (4 degrees).

Hi Aquacheeka,

We've been talking about that here http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/216314.html

these past few days if you're interested.

My hubby and I have the same nodal axis, our NNs are about 5 degrees apart in Scorpio. He's 18+ years older than me, but I believe this was the main thing that attracted me to him at first...he just seemed so much like me and friends in some way I couldn't pinpoint (I didn't know much about astrology then.) So he seemed extremely youthful and current for his age, and that fascinated me.

And it's kept us close in some ways, over time. (We also have Saturn contacts galore, but that's just plain old glue...I'm talking about emotional closeness.) This is our only outright conjunction between planets, angles or points. We see completely eye to eye on certain things, and can have satisfying conversations that go on and on, and get deeper and deeper (Scorpio.)

The downside of Scorpio is sometimes refusing to look at negative stuff for fear of getting dragged down, so these conversations are usually impersonal and haven't been effective at fixing some of the serious problems we still have.

That's all I have to say about that.

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posted November 07, 2012 10:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for starfairy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
South Node Aspects in Synastry

When someone’s planet or point conjuncts your natal South Node, a past life connection is indicated. This person may be the “great love of your life.” Their memory is likely to stick with you forever, as your relationship has spanned many lifetimes. The South Node person is likely to feel that the planet person understand them better than anyone who has ever understood them. All South Node connections bring with them a sense of familiarity and comfort. You “know” the person from the moment you see them, and the chemistry is haunting.

This can be a good thing, or a bad thing, depending on how their past life relationship was. If it was a bad relationship, discomfort and fear are likely to surface on the part of at least one of the individuals. If the relationship was good, the relationship will be generally positive. This is especially true if the Node person is “South Node-oriented,” i.e. if the South Node person has conjunctions to their own South Node. In this case, they feel even more comfortable with the planet person and feels the planet person gives them the understanding and support they need.

On the downside, these kinds of relationships can make at least of the individuals feel “held back” by the relationship. They may feel that the relationship has no potential for growth, and decide to break off the union. Many astrology articles and books out there say it is the Node person who feels the relationship holds them back because the planet person “keeps” the Node person in the past.

However, in my personal experience, I’ve also seen the opposite: that the planet person feels held back. This is because the Node person often “drains” the planet person of the energy the planet represents. You see, Nodal connections in relationships indicate there is an imbalance that exists between the two people. The South Node person most likely did something nice for the planet person in the past, and they are now back in the planet person’s life, looking for payback. This, in turn, can be very draining for the planet person, as they feel they are always giving.
http://astrolady.wix.com/astrolady#!the-south-node-in-synastry/cwx9

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posted November 07, 2012 12:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LoVeLy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you starfairy that was interesting

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posted November 07, 2012 12:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for inthemisosoup     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The bf and I have my moon conjunct his SN and his Pluto conjunct my SN. It was a relationship really destined to happen. I tried to avoid it and it still found me. We're very comfortable with each other, at ease, we get each other in a way I can't say I've had before.

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posted November 07, 2012 06:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for astrofan123     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
wondering how much of an orb does everyone use? Starfairy's post reminds me of a few relationships in the past but based on dob they are all 4 - 5 degrees away from SN
edit: I just read other SN posts on here. I think 4 degrees orb is too wide so I won't bother then. it must be something else

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posted November 07, 2012 06:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CRCRINCON     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by starfairy:
South Node Aspects in Synastry

When someone’s planet or point conjuncts your natal South Node, a past life connection is indicated. This person may be the “great love of your life.” Their memory is likely to stick with you forever, as your relationship has spanned many lifetimes. The South Node person is likely to feel that the planet person understand them better than anyone who has ever understood them. All South Node connections bring with them a sense of familiarity and comfort. You “know” the person from the moment you see them, and the chemistry is haunting.

This can be a good thing, or a bad thing, depending on how their past life relationship was. If it was a bad relationship, discomfort and fear are likely to surface on the part of at least one of the individuals. If the relationship was good, the relationship will be generally positive. This is especially true if the Node person is “South Node-oriented,” i.e. if the South Node person has conjunctions to their own South Node. In this case, they feel even more comfortable with the planet person and feels the planet person gives them the understanding and support they need.
http://astrolady.wix.com/astrolady#!the-south-node-in-synastry/cwx9


This is my husband and me. We have been together 8 years! Passionate and happy, loving and giving...So not always a bad thing!!!

I posted our aspects before but we do have my SN exact on his Sun. But then we have some NN contacts as well.

As I said earlier in the earlier post, the only thing that I would say me being the SN is that he sometimes seems happy to just "be" and I am all over the place with wanting to try new things. But then again that could be all my jupiter aspects and him having his Moon in Taurus...

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posted November 07, 2012 10:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Long - standing     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"My husbands Pluto is on my South Node (and he is a Scorpio), when we met i felt that I knew him (in fact he was a prototype of my favourite book hero )). So his image was in my head from the school."

"Did you leave him or are you still with him or do you feel like you want to leave him"

No,no..We are in long - term marrige. And he appeared in my live before very hard times for me (mothers illness and death,small sister and nearly nobody to help), and it was like angel's help (or help from the past live karma,who knows..

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Originally posted by Faith:
Hi Aquacheeka,

We've been talking about that here http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/216314.html

these past few days if you're interested.



Thanks Faith.

So then I guess from the many helpful posts here we can conclude that SN relationships are what we're supposed to be getting away from and NN relationships are what we're supposed to be moving toward?

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Doing some research on SN and karmic relationships I came across an astrologer who stated that one should never get into a relationship with a person whose sun sign is the same as their SN sign as it will only hold them back.

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posted November 09, 2012 06:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^ Just a random comment, Kate Middleton's sun conjunct Prince William's SN. I've been wondering how they are going to handle that.

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posted November 10, 2012 04:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aeline     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My Love's SN is exactly conjunct my Moon and Eros. I feel like i would never forget him. We stay in touch now once in a while through internet, but i haven't seen him for 5 months now, yet there hasn't been a day i wouldn't have thought of him. I know he remembers me too, as of our mutual friends have told me. He's also in my dreams very often - vivid, real dreams, in which we talk about us, about how it wasn't the right time... and funny thing, the next day he either texts me or calls, as if he's been having the dream of me as well. I have memories of our relationship from the past, it was painful, i guess that's the reason we didn't make it this lifetime. It actually wasn't meant to be, maybe later in life.

The other mindblowing thing is that now, in the work i met a guy whose Mercury is conjunct my Moon exact, later on found out that this guys Moon is conjunct my own SN by 2 degrees, LOL. This guy has changed my own perception of everything, in his presence i've turned into a completely different person, and all my chakras have gone insane when next to him - energy flows in through the top of my head to the point it's almost too painful physically... the funny part of it is that it turned out that this guy is the childhood friend of my Love, LOL! That makes his Mercury conjunct also my Love's South node exact. Could it be just a coincidence? I myself don't believe in coincidences.

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posted November 11, 2012 06:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for its_aqua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey guys! I found this interesting article about the nodes,it's from one of the best astrologer's in my country. Here it goes:


" When the Sun or the Moon, form aspects with the nodes, then things become very serious between the people involved, cause they feel like they are deeply connected and belong to each other without limits. If the SN forms an aspect with the Sun or the Moon,the relationship is imbalanced and destructive for the person who has the planet.The weird thing about these relationships are that even when the people involved aknowledge the difficulties of them being in a proper relatioship, they stay together without them being able to explain the reason! These relationships are fatal and even if they end under the worst circumstanceS, they will never forget each other and will always feel like they didn't put enough effort in the relationship"

In the same article she states,that when looking for apsects in synastry formed by the nodes we should only take in consideration conjunctions,oppositions and squares.


The guy I have a casual relationship right now, has his sun conjunct my SN, but I don't get how this relationship may be destructive for him? Any ideas how should I act ?

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posted November 11, 2012 09:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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" When the Sun or the Moon, form aspects with the nodes, then things become very serious between the people involved, cause they feel like they are deeply connected and belong to each other without limits. If the SN forms an aspect with the Sun or the Moon,the relationship is imbalanced and destructive for the person who has the planet.The weird thing about these relationships are that even when the people involved aknowledge the difficulties of them being in a proper relatioship, they stay together without them being able to explain the reason! These relationships are fatal and even if they end under the worst circumstanceS, they will never forget each other and will always feel like they didn't put enough effort in the relationship"

In the same article she states,that when looking for apsects in synastry formed by the nodes we should only take in consideration conjunctions,oppositions and squares.


I guess what they mean here is ANY conj./square/opp. of Sun or Moon to one of the nodes? Well, a conj. to one is an opposition to the other end and a square is a square to both sides.
So no difference between let's say a Moon/SN or Moon/NN conjunction, right? It *IS* (what they state) imbalanced/destructive for the planet-person.

Well I can only confirm that's what it was for me and I was the Moon conj. his NN (2).. also agree with the 'unforgettable' part.

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posted November 11, 2012 09:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for its_aqua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by mir:

I guess what they mean here is ANY conj./square/opp. of Sun or Moon to one of the nodes? Well, a conj. to one is an opposition to the other end and a square is a square to both sides.
So no difference between let's say a Moon/SN or Moon/NN conjunction, right? It *IS* (what they state) imbalanced/destructive for the planet-person.

Well I can only confirm that's what it was for me and I was the Moon conj. his NN (2).. also agree with the 'unforgettable' part.


Yeah, exactly what you said about the aspects! How did this relationship affect you? How did you felt towards this guy? I'm really interested in this aspect!

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posted November 11, 2012 10:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This was the second time in my life - after 18 years - that I went again through the depths of a love relationship AND in which I could also truly *love* again.
If it wasn't up to devastating circumstances we never would have separated.

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posted November 12, 2012 02:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mandy pie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aquacheeka:
Doing some research on SN and karmic relationships I came across an astrologer who stated that one should never get into a relationship with a person whose sun sign is the same as their SN sign as it will only hold them back.

I think that's a bit harsh. If it's only One planet conjunct the node I think it can be dealt with as long as there are other good aspects. One of the longest running relationships in Hollywood- Paul Newman and Joanne Woodward have a synastry with planets conjuct the SN... but of coarse they also have a lot of Saturn aspects holding them together and other great things in their chart.

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posted November 12, 2012 02:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mandy pie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by its_aqua:
Hey guys! I found this interesting article about the nodes,it's from one of the best astrologer's in my country. Here it goes:


" When the Sun or the Moon, form aspects with the nodes, then things become very serious between the people involved, cause they feel like they are deeply connected and belong to each other without limits. If the SN forms an aspect with the Sun or the Moon,the relationship is imbalanced and destructive for the person who has the planet.The weird thing about these relationships are that even when the people involved aknowledge the difficulties of them being in a proper relatioship, they stay together without them being able to explain the reason! These relationships are fatal and even if they end under the worst circumstanceS, they will never forget each other and will always feel like they didn't put enough effort in the relationship"


I would have to disagree. The two friends I mentioned earlier- As an outside observer of that relationship I would definitely say in that case it is the planet person that is destructive to the person who has the SN. Both the person's Mars and Saturn are conjunct his SN... plus she has two other planets in the sign of his SN.

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posted November 12, 2012 06:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for its_aqua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Mandy pie:
I would have to disagree. The two friends I mentioned earlier- As an outside observer of that relationship I would definitely say in that case it is the planet person that is destructive to the person who has the SN. Both the person's Mars and Saturn are conjunct his SN... plus she has two other planets in the sign of his SN.

Actually, in the article, she describes fully aspects with every planet and SN, but I posted only the part about the Moon/Sun. If you guys want I can post the rest of it here! So the part about the SN being destructive to the planet person, applies solely when talking about Sun and Moon.

Then again due to my personal experience I dont agree much, as it seems the opposite to me, but maybe other aspects affect those synastries where I was the SN person.

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posted November 12, 2012 01:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Some very negative things around here..

I don't think the SN is responsible for *all* the things mentioned. There are many other things that could account for a relationship falling apart and not every couple breaking up has SN contacts. Just saying.

Now, yes, from a "logical" point of view, it seems obvious that SN in synastry isn't a good place because it (supposedly) represents the past, and more specifically what holds us back from acheiving our destiny/potential.

But, SN/NN is an *axis*, meaning, there is a polarity. You can't escape the SN or the NN cause they're linked.. So whatever makes an aspect to one of them, makes an aspect to the other. Both are stimulated.

Even though a conjunction to the SN may feel like it holds you back from whatever it is that you feel you want/need, it doesn't mean you have to be "stuck", it just means you may have to change some habits of yours that prevent you from evolving. The person whose planet is on your SN may not help you in this.. and that's why it gets messy. We tend to expect people to help us reach our potential or save us or whatever, but that's not the only way! Transits/progressions can help too. If a planet goes over your NN, some things should happen that would help you see your goal/purpose.

It may not be an easy ride and of course separation is a part of life and it can happen with such a configuration too, but I don't think seeing things in black and white is helping here.

It's a shame people get negatively influenced by things they hear/read and expect the worst. Try to see the good side of things.. With SN contacts usually there's a feeling of familiarity and the people are comfortable with each other. They can consciously incorporate stimulation in their relationship if they feel like it's getting boring or stagnating (which can happen in any relationship). It's a matter of balance.. so don't give up before even trying!

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The Nodes of the Moon tend to be very significant in synastry. Strong Nodal ties are powerful. The individuals are drawn to each other. In the natal chart, the Nodal axis suggests powerful lessons an individual needs to learn in this lifetime, and when A's Nodal axis falls on personal planets or points in B's chart, the magnetism is powerful indeed. Perhaps B will play a large role in A's life, and either represent or force A to live out some of the issues inherent in the condition of the Nodal axis. -http://www.cafeastrology.com/articles/relationshipastrologytips.html

* From experience for me this is true. my pluto is conjunct my exs south node (wide at 6degrees). I played and still do play a large role in his life. there was also an instant easiness almost a wholeness between us.

If person A's planet (especially a personal planet) conjuncts B's South Node, the connection is there, no doubt. Person A will feel extremely comfortable with person B, at first. However, person A will eventually feel that the relationship drains him/her of energy, and may feel the need to move on and release him/herself from the relationship, as the relationship pulls him/her into the past

* i also relate. being person A. sometimes our relationship just makes me very tired emotionally and spiritually, however the thought of him not being around is terrifying to me.

If another person is emphasizing our South Node without equal or greater aspects to our North Node, we may feel held back and "outgrow" that person!

* now i can't speak for him (he's the sn) but this will have to be played out. my MC is conjunct (within 2 degrees) of his north node. it's a tighter conjunction and since to me at least i think your axis is more personal than outer planets so hence stronger. i feel that together we can be unstoppable.

Also note that there can be some uneasiness and hesitance when the Nodes, especially North Nodes, are strongly contacted by the planets and points of another person. The magnetism can be strong (and it isn't necessarily sexual, occurring in platonic friendships and relationships as well), but a certain amount of fear can be present (on the part of the Node person).

* we broke up because he (nn person) said that the intensity and seriousness of our relationship scared him.

@Mandy pie to original question:
One way of looking at Nodal contacts in synastry: A person's planet conjunct your North Node is pulling you forward, toward lessons that you need in order for spiritual growth and happiness. But you may be somewhat reluctant to face these issues, depending on "where you're at" in the path. A person's planet conjunct your South Node is pulling you back into familiar territory. There is something "easy" about the relationship, and the lure can be strong, although you may eventually sense that you need something more, which can be viewed as "outgrowing" the relationship or even the person. Saturn conjunct the Nodes can be a separative aspect.I am not as yet certain of exactly why this is the case, but I have seen it time and time again where Saturn conjunct the North or South Node in a composite chart or in synastry is present in romantic relationships that don't get off the ground properly. -http://www.cafeastrology.com/articles/relationshipastrologytips.html

*cafeastrology has a lot of good info but it can be hard to find because navigating the site can be time consuming*

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Originally posted by Aquacheeka:
Doing some research on SN and karmic relationships I came across an astrologer who stated that one should never get into a relationship with a person whose sun sign is the same as their SN sign as it will only hold them back.

I have been told this as well. And I attracts so many Cancer men!

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Originally posted by JLyn ~:
It's like meeting an old friend at a park one day, then the goodbye prolongs with meaningful tears and the feeling of watching someone tear your childhood glow worm to shreds while you turn around and give each other one last look, you sit in your car and think "I can't let go" , but you sense freedom like somethings better is coming in a weird way so you start the car and drive off with the magnet pull trying to trick you to drive back to each other

It's hard.
souls get attached, and that's all it is.


This is a shockingly good description

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