posted November 09, 2012 06:04 PM            

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Originally posted by indigomoon8:
I also don't use Astrology for compatibility...I'm a virgo and they say were suppose to match taurus, capricorn, cancer, scorpio, pisces..

-Capricorn men & me are attracted but just don't work romantically
-Taurus men I rarely attract
-I can't stand Cancer men romantically or barely friend wise. Never dated one
-Scorpio men MY BEST FRIENDS EVER, but we never get to a romantic stage
-Pisces men ALL my exes are pisces men...well their "exes" so that speaks for itself
-Other Virgos my first loves were one but once again their EXES

now the fire and air signs which they state don't work for virgo are something else for me
-I LOVE and attract LEO & Sagittarius men
-My longest and current relationship is with a Gemini Male,
-Libra men become my close friends also alot
-Aquarius men / Aries Men we've always been cool

Added Note I once made a list of at least 50 VIRGO celebrities and their spouses and they mostly were married to

Sagittarius,Libras, Leos, & Geminis sometimes Aquarius

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Cancer Capricorn

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posted November 09, 2012 06:07 PM            

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Originally posted by Rosalind:
Very evolved people don't talk BS like that. Astrology is like a religion? Where did you get that man? LOL!!!!

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posted November 09, 2012 06:14 PM            

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Originally posted by indigomoon8:
I also don't use Astrology for compatibility...I'm a virgo and they say were suppose to match taurus, capricorn, cancer, scorpio, pisces..

-Capricorn men & me are attracted but just don't work romantically
-Taurus men I rarely attract
-I can't stand Cancer men romantically or barely friend wise. Never dated one
-Scorpio men MY BEST FRIENDS EVER, but we never get to a romantic stage
-Pisces men ALL my exes are pisces men...well their "exes" so that speaks for itself
-Other Virgos my first loves were one but once again their EXES

now the fire and air signs which they state don't work for virgo are something else for me
-I LOVE and attract LEO & Sagittarius men
-My longest and current relationship is with a Gemini Male,
-Libra men become my close friends also alot
-Aquarius men / Aries Men we've always been cool

Added Note I once made a list of at least 50 VIRGO celebrities and their spouses and they mostly were married to

Sagittarius,Libras, Leos, & Geminis sometimes Aquarius

Least
Cancer Capricorn

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If you use Astrology for compatibility like that, you'll get nowhere. Anytime people mention Sun signs, I go through the same "don't just base it on the sun sign" lecture

In Astrological terms, yes if you are say a Capricorn and you're with a Taurus or something, you may be compatible in terms of Sun but really, there are ten planets and four angles as well as any asteroids, points or additional axis any astrologers may like to use
so 14 Basic points in a horoscope, multiply that with each other that's 198 possible aspects in a synastry that could decide compatibility as well as the houses to consider and the composite chart. To just say "oh I'm an x sign and get along well with the y sign" is just wrong

In my own experience, I only use signs alone when the Angles are involved and maybe the Moon, for the planets that move slower than the Sun, I don't usually do the interpretation for the sign, the signs in my case are mostly used for timing as you use the numbers on a clock for timing when it comes to transits, that's it

posted November 09, 2012 06:46 PM            

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Originally posted by Xiiro:
Not being able to physically understand how something works doesn't automatically invalidate that thing. Putting things in perspective, humans are a species 100,000 + years old, on a 4.54 billion year old planet, and we only learned how to wash our hands 200 years ago. There are plenty of unexplained things which will remain unexplained long after you die.

To be fair, the way mainstream people use astrology is generally superficial. It's a fun ice-breaker, a way for people to solidify their self image, or a refuge we can run to which pats us on the back and assures us there is order in the universe. Many of us see astrology as a list of positive and negative descriptive words. When we notice those descriptions don't apply we say, "Oh well, I guess it doesn't work".

Astrology is rich, complex, dynamic, and only reveals its depth after one takes the time to study (like any subject). Astrology is a lot like meteorology or genetics. There are sets of conditions which together, can give way to all kinds of results. Astrologers deepen their understanding to weed out lower probability outcomes and hone in on higher probability outcomes. That never means the astrologer is going to be right 100% of the time. In my opinion the fluidity of life should discourage astrologers from claiming to read people's futures, but that's personal opinion. The universe is not a static place and anyone who tells you otherwise is trying to sell you something. Astrology is not a static art reliant on human personality traits either. It is the experiential mathematics which quantify objective and subjective co-manifestation at any point in space/time.

If you no longer have an interest in astrology, nobody is going to try to convince you to change your mind. There are plenty of other ways to experience one's reality.

Best of luck =)

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posted November 09, 2012 06:51 PM            

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Originally posted by AshSkye:
If you use Astrology for compatibility like that, you'll get nowhere. Anytime people mention Sun signs, I go through the same "don't just base it on the sun sign" lecture

In Astrological terms, yes if you are say a Capricorn and you're with a Taurus or something, you may be compatible in terms of Sun but really, there are ten planets and four angles as well as any asteroids, points or additional axis any astrologers may like to use
so 14 Basic points in a horoscope, multiply that with each other that's 198 possible aspects in a synastry that could decide compatibility as well as the houses to consider and the composite chart. To just say "oh I'm an x sign and get along well with the y sign" is just wrong

In my own experience, I only use signs alone when the Angles are involved and maybe the Moon, for the planets that move slower than the Sun, I don't usually do the interpretation for the sign, the signs in my case are mostly used for timing as you use the numbers on a clock for timing when it comes to transits, that's it

Conclusion: Don't just base it on the sign.

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I don't base it off of just the sun sign...of course I look at the rest of the chart. But the strongest point those "Suns" don't work with me. And I don't use, or care about synastry or compatibility in astrology anyways so that was a pointless lecture because your telling me information I already knew and this is an even more pointless debate. But thanks anyways.

posted November 09, 2012 07:55 PM            

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Originally posted by Rosalind:
To say astrology is like a religion is even more. LOLOLOL!

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posted November 09, 2012 07:55 PM            

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Evolved people also accept other peoples lifestage and don't mock, judge or argue it. They understand that wer'e all on our own path. Mostly they keep their opinions to themselves because they are confident in their beliefs and don't feel a desperate need to prove their point and be 'right'.

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Right on Libreo!

posted November 09, 2012 08:56 PM            

vertiver,astrology was never entering scientific grounds,and synthesis of many thousands of experiences over the centuries has built it's foundations. It begun with observations and continues till this day - and this way isn't the safest as to the possibility of finding out what is true.
But,you're not motivated enough to go after more,and I understand you.

I believe in space and forces that hopefully once will be reigned by physics
Mere mortals have cause/consequence path,but this doesn't make them immune to natural laws,habits. We are very much dependable on our surroundings. This doesn't exclude free will. But also doesn't refute astrology.

posted November 09, 2012 09:30 PM            

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Originally posted by Lotis White:
That fact that I seem to be able to 'feel' the astrological reality of
something, even before I get my hands on the data which confirms it.
There's nothing like the excited, exhilarating thrill you get when something
you have suspected intuitively turns out to be true in terms of how the
astrological data bears out. This why I haven't given up the 'science' of the
stars.

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Attuned!

posted November 09, 2012 09:38 PM            

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Originally posted by indigomoon8:
Coming from someone who is an intermediate in astrology,

I use astrology simply as a general personality analysis. I don't believe in horoscopes or using the planets to predict the future. Astrology should be used in conjunction with a persons upbringing. For example just because a textbook Pisces are made out as overly sensitive, doesn't mean a Pisces named Whomever couldn't be one of the strongest people I know, because they were raised that way. That person's mother could be really strong.

I'm a Virgo Sun, Mercury & Asc & gemini Moon and I don't give a sh*t about perfection. In fact I'm always the one to say "That's fine, it doesn't have to be perfect." I'm a Virgo and i'm NOT a server, sorry to say. I like to lead, and I never have or will be a follower. I like to own things and i have problems with authority. That's not the textbook Virgo is it? I'm Quadruple mutable but have cardinal leadership. I'm this way because my parents raised me to be myself. They let me grow up liking the things I liked, they never expected perfection they just wanted me to do well to do my best.

Astrology shouldn't be analyzed to the point of dotted i's and crossed t's..it's better using it and making sense when your looking from a little more zoomed out point of view. You don't have to ditch it completely. If you enjoy it keep going, but like I said don't read too much in between the lines..if you feel you moved on that's fine too. People change. People move on. Do what you feel is best for you.

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posted November 09, 2012 09:38 PM            

But I lost it all and it bothers me sometimes to realize that I used to be so devoted to Astrology and so motivated to study and advance more. But I started to falter with my enthusiasm once I felt more stable with myself. Its like Astrology was filling some void for me.

Now I no longer need to look up my progressions and so and so's progressions and transits because I'm stable enough to accept whatever.

posted November 09, 2012 10:55 PM            

When I read that natal chart report, I identified with about 95% of it. Then I went online to check my natal chart on another site, cafeastrology, to see if everyone got the same report, cafeastrology gave me a similiar report which I identified with. Then from there I saw the free compatibility reports and that opened my eyes to synastry.

So I put in me and my wife's bday to see our compatibility report. Click the link to read our compatibility report from cafeastrology: bit.ly/RKrYMZ (its a cafeastrology link shortened with bitly)

The synastry interpretation was 99% accurate! Everything in that report has happened between us with the exception that my life hasn't been ruined. Everything else happened in our relationship long before I learned about astrology. After I saw the accuracy in those reports, I was sold.

I went on the net to find astrology forums and found this wonderful place called Lindaland. And the rest is history. During my journey with astrology, I have had to take breaks from it due to my expectations of certain aspects playing out in synastry. As someone said, just because synastry looks perfect, it doesn't mean it will turn out that way. I learned that the hard way. Those disappointments along with some of the members here just made me turn away from this forum and astrology.

Astrology for me just helps me understand things more. I don't take it too seriously because when I do, I find it consumes me.

Vertiver, if astro isn't for you, theres nothing wrong with that. If later you decide to come back to it, there's nothing wrong with that and i'm sure no one will fault you for it. Either way, best of luck to you!

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Gemini Sun
Libra Moon
Gemini Mercury
Cancer Venus
Virgo Mars
Virgo Asc

posted November 10, 2012 01:11 AM            

I wanted a stable partner and so I made a conscious decision to date an earth-heavy man and he is like night and day to my ex, who was fire-heavy. Way more stable and intellectual, way less self-destructive, but infinitely less exciting. Relationships with fire signs always start out well, they sweep you off your feet, then the novelty wears off and they get bored.

It's gotten to the point where I can detect people by certain things. Men who are 30 years old and still play in a band - usually fire. Women who seem to not trust or like me for whatever reason - Cancer. Men who are old souls in their 20's - earth. Women who who smile at me before they even know me and have square jaws - Aquarius. Women who quickly become inseparable with me - Taurus. But I need to watch out for battles of will with these women. When I eye a male singer on TV and he's skinny and extremely sentimental, making vulnerable puppy-dog eyes at the camera or audience - Pisces. I knew Bieber was a Pisces instantly, I didn't need to look up his birth info.

Then there is the issue of statistics. The FBI states that Cancer and then Taurus males comprise the two most common signs of violent offenders, but Gemini is the least-common. What can explain that huge lull during Gemini? It's the sign directly between the other two.

What can explain the fact that people are statistically most ikely to marry someone born within 60 days of their birthday? This is even discarding conventional astrological wisdom about semi-sextile relationships.

posted November 10, 2012 02:18 AM            

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Originally posted by Aquacheeka:
I am the exact opposite. The more I learn about astrology the more relevance I see in my life and in everyday life.

I wanted a stable partner and so I made a conscious decision to date an earth-heavy man and he is like night and day to my ex, who was fire-heavy. Way more stable and intellectual, way less self-destructive, but infinitely less exciting. Relationships with fire signs always start out well, they sweep you off your feet, then the novelty wears off and they get bored.

It's gotten to the point where I can detect people by certain things. Men who are 30 years old and still play in a band - usually fire. Women who seem to not trust or like me for whatever reason - Cancer. Men who are old souls in their 20's - earth. Women who who smile at me before they even know me and have square jaws - Aquarius. Women who quickly become inseparable with me - Taurus. But I need to watch out for battles of will with these women. When I eye a male singer on TV and he's skinny and extremely sentimental, making vulnerable puppy-dog eyes at the camera or audience - Pisces. I knew Bieber was a Pisces instantly, I didn't need to look up his birth info.

Then there is the issue of statistics. The FBI states that Cancer and then Taurus males comprise the two most common signs of violent offenders, but Gemini is the least-common. What can explain that huge lull during Gemini? It's the sign directly between the other two.

What can explain the fact that people are statistically most ikely to marry someone born within 60 days of their birthday? This is even discarding conventional astrological wisdom about semi-sextile relationships.

Astrology is valid. End of, as far as I'm concerned. But then, that could be my Scorpio south node talking. Fascination with the occult is imprinted on my soul.

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posted November 10, 2012 05:11 AM            

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Originally posted by vertiver:
Your putting words in my mouth. I never said that. In fact Astrology is not a religion. I would never had gotten into astrology if that was the case to begin with.

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posted November 10, 2012 05:46 AM            

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Originally posted by Lotis White:
Well, I've studied astrology my whole life and I've never lost faith in it. [b]It's not that astrology is false, it's that people's perception and interpretations of it get skewed. A lot of people lose faith in astrology after a disappointment of some kind, especially in the love department. Excellent synastry does not guarantee the a relationship will work out or even happen… It just shows how the energy between two people flows. And then we have to work with that dynamic to the best of our ability. I’ve seen some people literally throw a tantrum and denounce astrology with passionate hatred after a disappointment in love because they didn’t get the person they wanted, or had a break up… But how can that be when you had Sun/Moon harmony!! Really! (Yes, this is sarcasm). The astrology was never ‘wrong‘. Just the interpretation and understanding of it. Astrology shows the themes involved in a personality, relationship, or time period, but it doesn’t guarantee the outcome of anything. It just provides hints of what patterns to expect in your life. A Pluto transit could mean a number of things all under the umbrella of a ‘Pluto’ type theme. Your could take up an interest in the paranormal, fall deeply in love, study forensics, experience a stalker (This actually happened to me), find out about some family ‘skeletons in the closet’, take out a loan, receive a gift or inheritance, and have experiences with either psychological or even physical death in your life. Depending on our karma and fate something involving Pluto themes will happen in our lives, and then it’s up to us to decide what to do, or how to handle that energy.

Personally, I’ve seen mindblowing evidence of the validity of astrology in natal, transit, relocational, and synastry astrology. It can’t be denied. I’ll admit there have been times where the answers were not immediately apparent and it felt like I wasn’t ‘getting’ why things were the way they were astrologically. But in these cases if I put my concerns aside for a while and then came back to the puzzle I’d start to see how it made sense… Without over reaching! It’s actually kind of spooky and uncanny how much sense astrology makes sometimes.

There is one MYTH I’d like to dispel. Trines are not always good. That’s right. Sometimes trines can even suck! Trines create stability and make it easy for a situation to just naturally happen and flow together. Usually we want this. But lets just say two drug addicts are hanging out, and that they have Sun, Mercury, Venus, Mars, and Jupiter all trine to each other. Together they decide it’s a good idea skip work that day and get high, and not only that, but to take even more of a potentially dangerous drug then necessary. Then they both OD and one dies while the other one winds up in hospital racked with guilt. Ahhh, the beauty of trines and their endless goodness. They can be codependent and rut prone, as well as kind of lazy. They have their place though. Just like all the aspects do. Squares are not bad but they are challenging do require that we get off our butts and put effort into something. They promote growth. But again too many and life becomes exhausting. A balance is best. Sometimes people mistake, especially in synastry, a preponderance of soft aspects as some kind of ‘PROMISE'. Like true love forever or something. All it shows is that there's stability and easy flow in a situation, but WHAT are the people involved flowing towards. A comfy night at home watching TV? Having the same taste in music? Or skipping work to get high? Agreeing that robbing a bank to buy more drugs is such a ‘good’ idea?

About people not identifying with their charts at times. We all go through phases as shown through our progressed charts, transits, and even relocational charts (When we move from where we were born), which can exaggerate or downplay certain parts of our personality/experience.

I have Sag rising and thought I was rather cheerful in one on one situations, but when Pluto started going over my Asc, Sag Venus, and early Capricorn Sun I had an inappropriately obsessed admirer and I become very down. I was very afraid because I didn’t know what his limits were, and he had a sneaky way of pretending he was doing something normal, and then accidentally on-purpose walking into me full on. He repeatedly did sneaky little things like that. He was older then me and married, and was closely associated with the family I was renting a room from, while I lived away from my family in a foreign country. The relocational chart shows Pluto in my natal is squaring my relocated Asc as well. Since this aspect is not in my natal I felt it keenly. The stalker like situation that manifested in my life during this time really fit’s the symbolism of the astrology occurring at this time. As Pluto has separated from my Sun I’ve managed to ‘escape’ this situation and have moved away. But for a long time it was a source of great angst for me, and was a very controversial and difficult situation. At first my host family didn’t believe me about their friend, but they kept an eye on him anyway. Over time his inappropriate interest in me became obvious! But not without a whole lot of awkward, weird, painful, and embarrassing situations. And because he was so subtle about it at first I even questioned myself, and what my intuition was telling me. Then he’d do something weird again and my suspicions were confirmed. Eventually I was validated but it was a long hard road.

This is just one example out of many where I’ve felt the astrology of a situation matched my experience. If anyone is having doubts I recommend waiting for a while before making any hasty judgments. Look at your transits, progressions, relocated charts see if there are any astrological indications of clashes between your idealism and perception of reality. Even crises of faith can show astrologically! Jupiter or Uranus making difficult aspects in transit or progressions may indicate some type of crises of belief. Of course there are other indications as well. I have a hard time believing that astrology has lasted as long as it has if it were just a ‘placebo effect’.
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I very much agree with what you wrote here, Lotiswhite.

Especially the parts I put into bold felt like you had been speaking MY mind again.

posted November 10, 2012 05:56 AM            

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Originally posted by vertiver:
That's very insightful Lotis and I believe that I used to pick up on astro vibes as well...

But I lost it all and it bothers me sometimes to realize that I used to be so devoted to Astrology and so motivated to study and advance more. But I started to falter with my enthusiasm once I felt more stable with myself. Its like Astrology was filling some void for me.

Now I no longer need to look up my progressions and so and so's progressions and transits because I'm stable enough to accept whatever.

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Vertiver,

I am wishing you all the best for your further journey.
And I don`t mean it in any sarcastic way, but very truthfully. If you feel there is no use for astrology in your life, then that`s just it.
It doesn`t have anything to do with being evolved or unevolved. We all have our own path, and maybe astrology just isn´t important for yours.

I wanted to say though, that I don`t feel I NEED to look up transits or progressions or synastry aspects (if I felt a need to do that, this would be a big glaring warning sign to me. I also stay away from tarot cards when I am in such a desparate mood. The readings are bound to come out wrong, because they will reflect my fears and hopes rather than being a real guidance. It has to do with one being able to accept whatever answer you receive, and sometimes people are just not in a place to do so, but mis-use astrology or tarot or whatever to justify whatever they are feeling or thinking, and wishes/ fears might mix into an interpretation, which is never a good idea, but sadly happens too often).

However, I WANT to look up all these astrological things, because I find an astounding beauty in the clear patterns that are emerging, in the story that is unfolding before my eyes, and the understanding I gain from this.
I simply love astrology and that is why I want to spend as much time as possible with it.

posted November 10, 2012 10:55 PM            

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Adding it all together, what this does is increase the likelihood that we'll be attracted to either our own sign, a next door sign, or a sign that sextiles our Sun. Interestingly 60 days is equivalent to the Sun transiting 60 degrees. The same amount as a sextile aspect. It all makes sense.

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That's interesting but I'm with someone who squares my Sun - Taurus and I'm a Leo Sun.

I'm not discounting your theory by any means because his Venus - Aries is trine my Sun. But the trickiest part about astrology is that everyone is different.

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Vertiver,

I wanted to say though, that I don`t feel I NEED to look up transits or progressions or synastry aspects (if I felt a need to do that, this would be a big glaring warning sign to me. I also stay away from tarot cards when I am in such a desparate mood. The readings are bound to come out wrong, because they will reflect my fears and hopes rather than being a real guidance. It has to do with one being able to accept whatever answer you receive, and sometimes people are just not in a place to do so, but mis-use astrology or tarot or whatever to justify whatever they are feeling or thinking, and wishes/ fears might mix into an interpretation, which is never a good idea, but sadly happens too often).

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Thanks for your support Ceridwen.

The thing is that I used to be highly obsessive about tarot readings and looking up progressions and transits. I'd need to know a love interests birth data within hours of meeting them. And I'd base the whole relationship on the synastry.