posted January 04, 2013 05:11 PM            

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StacyLewis: People threw hissy fits when they were told the earth was round, too...but eventually, they came around.

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Are you sure you are Venusian? Like, sorry for this to be a personal comment, but you seem so unpleasant, how could anyone stand you.

posted January 04, 2013 05:15 PM            

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Originally posted by StacyLewis:
Well I said what I had to say on the subject so I'm done with it. Personally I'm not going to bother with composite charts anymore because they haven't shown themselves to have any real validity to them whatsoever.

People threw hissy fits when they were told the earth was round, too...but eventually, they came around.

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Hey where's that composite, don't skip out on us without showing us the culprit.

And yes, your hissy fit is probably about not being able as yet to encompass other perspectives - I'm sure no one here will hold it against you - too much, surely.

posted January 04, 2013 08:52 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I wanted to share this link with you; maybe some will find it useful (It took me a little to understand it though).

http://www.astrosoftware.com/Symmetries.htm

For a long time I didn`t put much stock in composites myself, for several reasons.

HOwever I came to understand (which is of course just MY understanding, not an universal truth!), that it all is based on harmonic (aspectual/ geometrical) relationships in the natal.

I do not dismiss either composite nor synastry these days. I usually rely more on synastries though, but that is my preference.

The basis of all is the natal chart. And of course it is individual people who form a relationship, so it makes sense that their natal chart is the foundation of any relationship being formed between them.

It is quite easy to see how the synastry charts reflect the natal charts is dependent on them.

However, it is maybe not as apparent, but composites are ALSO firmly rooted in the natal charts.

As a matter of fact composites are midpoint-charts between the two natals; which of course means that the opposition in a composite chart really is also a conjunction (as it is emphasizes the far midpoint, instead of the near midpoint we usally pick; this becomes very interesting if two planets are being apart exactly 180°; there is no near and far midpoint in this case; just two midpoints, being equidistant from the planets in question).

In my experience the conjunction/ opposition, especially in a composite, is by far the most important aspect; and it is from that basis that we start our interpretation, and check for modifying aspects, like trines or squares.
This is also true for composite planets being conjunct/opposite natal planets. Which is more important than is given credit to.
Even if we are in a relationship and that relationship seems to have a life on its own, we are still two individuals being in that relationship, and each person might react differently to what is going on between them.

For example: there might be a Sun-Venus-conjunction in a composite, indicating that sharing of affections and pleasures is a theme in that relationship.
But if my Saturn is opposite that Sun-Venus-conjunction in the composition, I could very well be inclined to reject the possibly
loving connection, probably because of my individual reaction to SAturn, some fears and insecurities (it is not a hypothetical example. I have it in one of my composites).

As for trines vs. squares. Well, the planets that are being connected through the aspect define the kind of relationship more than the nature of the aspect itself.
Of course the intensity and energy is different; more smoothly with the trine, more bumpy and intense with the square. But a square between two sexual planets can be more sparkly than a trine. (though the intensity might get too much in the long run)

BTW one of my favourite things to do with transits is to check the composite of the transitchart/ eventchart with my natal, as well as the transits to natal midpoints.
I love these AHA-lightbulb moments I am getting with these.
They usually describe the events so exactly and its effect on me, that it often has cause me some serious cases of goosebumps.
It is at least entertaining to have a look at.

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posted January 04, 2013 09:58 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Yes, when it is really precisely opposite.
Also, in some instances the far midpoint is being chosen instead of the usual near one, when otherwise Mercury or Venus would end up opposite Sun in a composite, as this cannot happen in a normal chart.

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posted January 05, 2013 07:03 AM              

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Originally posted by Lotis White:
Comparing composites to event charts! Good idea Ceri. I'll try this in the future.

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Actually I meant to say I take the natal chart and an eventchart and make a composite of it.

These days there is usually an Uranus-Neptune-conjunctions in my "event-composites", and it surely describes how I experience these times (was having Solar Arc Uranus conjunct natal Neptune in the recent past as well).

Doing that with a first meeting chart can be quite illuminating, and also gives another hint at why people react differently to the same first meeting chart (of course above all you have to check the transits to the natals).

Here is an example:

FIRST MEETING CHART
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FMC- ME
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FMC- Him
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posted January 05, 2013 07:08 AM              

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Originally posted by Faith:
Good to know! Thank you.

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BTW if two people have the same natal aspect, it will come up in the composite as well (but I think they must both have either the waxing or the waning aspect; if one has a waxing square and the other a waning one, it might not result in the SAME aspect).

In the example I posted, each of us has natally Venus-Pluto-square; though we do not have a synastric Venus-Pluto-aspect, the composite has an exact Venus-Pluto-square, BECAUSE it is a natal theme for both of us, so OF COURSE it would play a role in any kind of relationship or connection.

If there is a waxing aspect in one natal and a waning one in the other (it does not even need to be a real aspect, but just the SAME amount of degree-distance), then it might end up as a conjunction.

From another comparision:

My Mercury is on 25 Sagittarius - my Moon on 17 Aquarius
So my Mercury is 52 degrees BEFORE the Moon.

His Mercury on 20 Sagittarius - his Moon on 27 Libra
So his Mercury is 53 degrees BEHIND the Moon

In the composite these two natal " aspects" melt together into a conjunction between Moon and Mercury.

posted January 05, 2013 08:43 AM              

1. the angular distance between Sun and Venus in each natal is the same

2. the angular distance between A`s Sun and B`s Venus and B`s Sun to A`s Venus is the same.

So what happens is that the natal and synastric angular distances of a planetary pair are mirroring each other, and that results in a conjunction in the composite.
In this way OF COURSE The composite relates very strongly to the natal, as it really gives a condensed picture of "mirroring aspects/ angular distances".

posted January 05, 2013 09:07 AM            

so you meet this sexy attractive guy and the first thing you do is check his natal to see if hes do-able in a relationship like venus square moon is a bad no no the cheater aspect, or neptune opposite mercury lair lair pants on fire... those guys i'd advice you to stay away from.

second, then its up for the next test which is the synastry, the energies you feel ONLY when together.

third step, check composite to see how strong the "relationship" will be, not how strong your feelings will be.

natal- checks the person
synastry- checks the feelings, the distances, the attraction... THE ENERGIES between you both only when together.
composite- checks the relationship for the future and also gives you very important insight on why you two are together in the first place. its the energy that surrounds you and his little bubble (like your on the moon looking at earth) so its highly important to study composite more.

remember the correct process 1-2-3

bye bye

posted January 05, 2013 09:16 PM            

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Originally posted by somethingexcellent:
Are you sure you are Venusian? Like, sorry for this to be a personal comment, but you seem so unpleasant, how could anyone stand you.

People have presented comment after comment of astrological input yet you decide to just not listen at all? Why are you even on a forum if you don't care to hear the voice of others?

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I love her honesty even if it's off-putting to some. I don't find her unpleasant at all... probably because I am the same way. I will tell you exactly what I believe and if you don't like it, then oh well.

In fact, when a few were slamming me, she was the only person who was making any sense and who came to my defense. So in that regard, she's ok with me.

Additionally, if she wants to make her point & then not waste any more time, that's her choice. There are many forum posts I have abandoned because either a) I lose interest, b) logic has gone out the window and continuing to TRY to make people understand is pointless, or c) I was openly threatened/harassed and mods did nothing about it so returning to the thread would only create more conflict.

And I *totally* get the round earth comment. When people go against any accepted "norm" they are met with resistance. Hell, resistance to change is human nature.

posted January 05, 2013 09:19 PM              

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Originally posted by Geeky:
I love her honesty even if it's off-putting to some. I don't find her unpleasant at all... probably because I am the same way. I will tell you exactly what I believe and if you don't like it, then oh well.

In fact, when a few were slamming me, she was the only person who was making any sense and who came to my defense. So in that regard, she's ok with me.

Additionally, if she wants to make her point & then not waste any more time, that's her choice. There are many forum posts I have abandoned because either a) I lose interest, b) logic has gone out the window and continuing to TRY to make people understand is pointless, or c) I was openly threatened/harassed and mods did nothing abut it so returning to the thread would only create more conflict.

And I *totally* get the round earth comment. When people go against any accepted "norm" they are met with resistance. Hell, resistance to change is human nature.

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posted January 05, 2013 10:00 PM            

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Originally posted by Geeky:
^ I really don't see why so many people get offended here... we're just sharing ideas & theories.

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posted January 05, 2013 10:22 PM            

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Originally posted by Geeky:
I thought she was being cheeky or sarcastic with the round earth comment. I laughed.

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posted January 05, 2013 11:11 PM            

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Originally posted by Moonfish:
Maybe she was, but I don't think a lot of people including myself caught on. I do commend her for not adding fuel to the fire. The 2nd best thing is to ignore the topic altogether if your unable to come to an agreement.

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My partner is constantly sarcastic & cheeky so I pick it up quickly. His humor offends lots of people, but I get him. I think she reminds me of a female version of him. Oddly.

posted January 06, 2013 03:48 PM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
ok, heres my view on composites vs synastry.... the OP is somewhat correct , IMO composites dont really come into effect until you have established a relationship with somebody, it really becomes important when you move in with that person. synastry tells you how you will get along with somebody when you first meet them and if you are attracted to each other etc. the composite shows how you will get along once the relationship is established, until then it is somewhat useless.

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Sorry, but I have to disagree that it's "useless." I think some are of the opinion that it's "useless" because they themslves haven't found any "usefulness" for a composite chart yet, but that's hardly a reason to call something "useless" per se.

posted January 06, 2013 03:49 PM            

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Originally posted by Moonfish:
That's just the problem, people were sharing there theories but then she made the statement about the world being round, and everyone needing to come to there senses about Composite being useless. So it wasn't 100% about sharing a theory on her part, but trying to prove a point.
In my opinion (which of course, no one has to follow) is that if your going to make a thread always be open to different views or else it's going to create tension.

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posted October 29, 2021 06:09 PM            

Gonna throw in my two cents.

Progressed composites are more telling than regular ol' composites that reflect the actual state of affairs in the current relationship being observed, IMO.

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posted October 30, 2021 08:49 AM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
And tell me how do you 'progress' the composite chart?

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posted October 30, 2021 08:53 AM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
And tell me how do you 'progress' the composite chart?

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