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Topic: Moon square Pluto
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Jessica2407
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From: saturn
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posted January 12, 2013 12:50 AM
  
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Originally posted by Lonake:
Jessica,
"I don't mingle too close, I don't get too involved in their issues either."
---I wrote something drawn out in response, but it was getting a bit OTT. Here's the bottom line to it, my response/attitude to that is to befriend confident/stable/secure Women, not girls. There's a difference. Women (of whatever age) of the aforementioned kind will not try to wreck your life by projecting needless BS onto you. And just like a partner who is not treating you right/giving you equal respect, you have to bring up the situation with your friend and if your friend isn't interested in working on the matter, then drop her. End of. From my personal past, I used to give friends more leeway than I gave to anyone I was romantically involved with; that's over. May be my Aquarius DSC, I don't know, but on a certain level I see both as an equal relationship, pure and simple, with certain rules applying. MoonPlutoSquare.And with the age thing my friends range in age from 6 years younger to about 35 years older. And none of them have their Pluto conjunct mine. "that was the time I sais 'enough is enough"
---Sorry you had such crappy experiences. I have had some too, and have learned my lessons above ^ the hard way. But who cares really if it was hard, cos it was necessary. Are you good friends with men? Or no? Maybe because my Venus is also conjunct my Moon (sq Pluto) but I find it incredibly dull to be friends with a man where there is no hint of sexual attraction. Whether I act on it is dependent on whether I'm in a committed relationship, but I like having that tension. Think that could be Moon/Pluto?
Hi Lonake  No, I can't be good friends with men, not because I don't want to, it's more because the men can't be 'just friends' with ME. They tend to get obsessed with me and since I know how it feels to be obsessed with someone that's why I don't encourage friendships with men. I can relate to the bit when you say 'but I find it incredibly dull to be friends with a man where there is no hint of sexual attraction.' For me once a guy has been tagged as 'a friend' in my mind, I can NEVER view that person in a romantic light. It's either my switch gets turned on at the very first time or it will never get turned on  I am not the type of 'we can be friends then later may be that would change' kinda scenario. Do you feel like that too? is that moon sq pluto kinda of stuff? If I don't have that tension between someone else, it just doesn't work out for me either.. IP: Logged |
Jessica2407
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posted January 12, 2013 12:56 AM
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Originally posted by Lonake:
I was wondering on the opposite end, when was the last time women here found other women to be threats? Do you guys think that is energy directed just towards us or do you think it goes both ways? #thinkingoutloud
I know I don't feel threatened AT ALL by women.It's just that,with all the experience I had in the past with women, I don't really trust 'their friendship' I don't go to the deep end, although I am someone who is very deep in all my relationships. The only woman who is my best friend and soul mate is my sister.
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sand
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posted January 12, 2013 01:35 AM
I can't be good friends with women too. It's like ok don't peek I'm going to change into my sleepwear. And they're like goodness sand ur wearing boxers y tell us not to peek and I'm like wtf I told u not to peek.  Tension mm hmm.. Though I hear moon square Pluto in a man's chart means being open to manipulation from women. IP: Logged |
hannaramaa
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posted January 12, 2013 02:23 AM
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Originally posted by Jessica2407:
I know I don't feel threatened AT ALL by women.It's just that,with all the experience I had in the past with women, I don't really trust 'their friendship' I don't go to the deep end, although I am someone who is very deep in all my relationships. The only woman who is my best friend and soul mate is my sister.
I only feel threatened by a woman when she's not being up front about what she wants (whether she wants the same guy I do or not. If she likes him too and told me "I like him too." I'd find a way that was a win/win. Hell, I'd probably go find another guy it's not like it's hard - in the beginning -) Women who deny their actions really **** me off. IP: Logged |
Jessica2407
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posted January 12, 2013 04:52 AM
Why do YOU have to go find another guy? If the guy likes YOU, you go get him! It's that simple.If I were in this kind of situation ( which has never occurred since I'm not very chummy with the women I know, so I won't even know if they are secretly coveting my guy or not,besides the few women in the periphery of my life are all sneaky) I'll probably stand back and watch what the guy does. Whether the guy is strong enough to resist manipulation from them, because if one woman can manipulate him, then 20 more WILL.So if I were to drop this guy it would be because he is not worthy of me, not because someone else wants him. IP: Logged |
Doux Rêve
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posted January 12, 2013 05:18 AM
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Originally posted by Lonake:
I was wondering on the opposite end, when was the last time women here found other women to be threats? Do you guys think that is energy directed just towards us or do you think it goes both ways? #thinkingoutloud
I have that "problem".
Think it's related to the fact that I can't trust men, either.
So I "know" that if a pretty/hot girl is around, I'm at risk, so to speak.
That's how I feel.
So maybe in my case I project that energy instead of receiving it. quote:
Originally posted by Jessica2407:
I am not the type of 'we can be friends then later may be that would change' kinda scenario.
Me neither. And I don't really do the whole male/female friendship. I don't mind talking to a guy even if there's no attraction but I don't want to spend half my time with him either.
I thought everyone was like that?
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hannaramaa
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posted January 12, 2013 05:31 AM
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Originally posted by Jessica2407:
Why do YOU have to go find another guy? If the guy likes YOU, you go get him! It's that simple.If I were in this kind of situation ( which has never occurred since I'm not very chummy with the women I know, so I won't even know if they are secretly coveting my guy or not,besides the few women in the periphery of my life are all sneaky) I'll probably stand back and watch what the guy does. Whether the guy is strong enough to resist manipulation from them, because if one woman can manipulate him, then 20 more WILL.So if I were to drop this guy it would be because he is not worthy of me, not because someone else wants him.
I agree with you and I think that's smart. To answer your question though I would go find another guy because I'm the only one I can control. Of course, if the guy obviously likes me and I like him, then I wouldn't have a problem telling the girl/my friend "tough **** ." But I'm thinking of the situation as if both my friend and I met the guy at the same time and both liked him. In the beginning it's not that serious to me and I figure if she's occupied with the initial first guy, and I go find a different guy that I like just as much then that's fine. If she wanders over to the second guy I found for a sniff THAT'S when I have a problem and would stand my ground more, because now it's as if she's making it a competition. I have this problem with my Scorpio friend who has Moon sextile Pluto that I mentioned, and unfortunately I have decided in my head I don't want my boyfriend around her until him and I are further into the relationship. I don't care if he hangs out with his girl friends while I'm not there because I know them and I know they're happy we're dating, they're happy with their own lives and don't try to interfere. However, this Scorpio girl can be the type who "goes after" a guy just because she doesn't want me having him. It's happened before. What's more frustrating is that she claims she's innocent so then I look like the ******* . I don't think it's her Moon sextile Pluto though ironically (and I may sound ignorant for not thinking so, so I'm open to criticism) I always look at her Mars in Libra combined with these Scorpio placements and wonder. IP: Logged |
stellar_moon
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posted January 12, 2013 02:50 PM
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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
also seems to be able to cut off people very easily,something goes wrong and BAM!!
Yea, I cut people off very easily too. But honestly, friendships are give and take and I find I give much more in my so called friendships than I ever get back and it gets to a point when I've changed (pluto) and so has the friendship. I just accept it, whereas others try to hold on. I also don't care for superficial friendships. If you can't handle me at my worst, you sure as hell don't deserve me at my best. If the rough patches of my life are too intense for someone, then they don't deserve to be standing with me when I come out of it, if they can't stand with me through it. And I dont ask for a lot regarding that, just some understanding (not pity). My two best friends are Cancer females and I have never had a fight with them and we've never tried to screw each other over. I would go to the ends of the earth for these women. Id rather have a couple people like this in my life than a bunch of yahoos that only want my friendship for a personal motivation, whatever that may be. I also get the sense sometimes that some women befriend me only because they see me as a threat. The "keep your friends close and your enemies closer" kinda thing. I see right through it. IP: Logged |
Jessica2407
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From: saturn
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posted January 12, 2013 02:58 PM
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Originally posted by stellar_moon:
Yea, I cut people off very easily too. But honestly, friendships are give and take and I find I give much more in my so called friendships than I ever get back and it gets to a point when I've changed (pluto) and so has the friendship. I just accept it, whereas others try to hold on. I also don't care for superficial friendships. If you can't handle me at my worst, you sure as hell don't deserve me at my best. If the rough patches of my life are too intense for someone, then they don't deserve to be standing with me when I come out of it, if they can't stand with me through it. And I dont ask for a lot regarding that, just some understanding (not pity). My two best friends are Cancer females and I have never had a fight with them and we've never tried to screw each other over. I would go to the ends of the earth for these women. Id rather have a couple people like this in my life than a bunch of yahoos that only want my friendship for a personal motivation, whatever that may be.
Relate to this 100%. IP: Logged |
Jessica2407
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posted January 12, 2013 03:02 PM
''I have this problem with my Scorpio friend who has Moon sextile Pluto that I mentioned, and unfortunately I have decided in my head I don't want my boyfriend around her until him and I are further into the relationship. I don't care if he hangs out with his girl friends while I'm not there because I know them and I know they're happy we're dating, they're happy with their own lives and don't try to interfere. However, this Scorpio girl can be the type who "goes after" a guy just because she doesn't want me having him. It's happened before. What's more frustrating is that she claims she's innocent so then I look like the ******* . I don't think it's her Moon sextile Pluto though ironically (and I may sound ignorant for not thinking so, so I'm open to criticism) I always look at her Mars in Libra combined with these Scorpio placements and wonder.''hmmmm, why is she even in your circle of friends? Pardon me if I sound too direct,but if you don't trust her I would think it's best that you cut her off from what's happening in your life,more so because of 'what's happened before' already. Have been thinking about this aspect, do you think it relates to a degree to the same energy generated by mars square pluto? Although Mars is more an aggressive planet, but am thinking of all the verbal abuse and manipulation I had to sustain from my mother since I was small child... IP: Logged |
hannaramaa
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posted January 12, 2013 07:42 PM
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Originally posted by Jessica2407:
hmmmm, why is she even in your circle of friends? Pardon me if I sound too direct,but if you don't trust her I would think it's best that you cut her off from what's happening in your life,more so because of 'what's happened before' already. Have been thinking about this aspect, do you think it relates to a degree to the same energy generated by mars square pluto? Although Mars is more an aggressive planet, but am thinking of all the verbal abuse and manipulation I had to sustain from my mother since I was small child...
Oh, you're not being too direct! I only get mad when someone is condescending towards me. I've been lucky in that the friendships I was unhappy with didn't last long and when they ended they just faded away and we went on with our lives. I've known her for six or seven years and it hasn't always been bad (we've been friends since high school), but lately it's been on my mind a lot. I'm not sure how to break up with a friend really, especially since we work together. But eventually I have to take control of my life and shape it how I want. I can do that but will have to do it slowly. I don't want to cut her off cold turkey because she's still fun to be around. I think Mars square Pluto would have the same affect as Moon square Pluto, except with men (Mars = masculine.) If you had problems with your mother looking at your Moon and Venus aspects would be where I'd start. Even though I have Mars inconjunct Pluto and had problems with my mom, I also have the Moon/Pluto opp. which is where I thought most of it came from. IP: Logged |
Jessica2407
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posted January 13, 2013 01:29 AM
''I only get mad when someone is condescending towards me.''You seem to have a good control on your anger issues. I can think of 20 reasons at least for me to get mad People tell me when I'm mad the intensity of it all scares them. I have the semi-sextile aspect between Mars and Pluto too. IP: Logged |
MillyX
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posted January 13, 2013 02:40 AM
I have that aspect. All of my friends are girls, I don't have guy friends, I only have gay ones. Never had girls jealous of me. I think it's the other way around... I am the jealous type. Moon square Pluto makes me real slick & sneaky ..In high school I manipulated my way into a circle of friends & by the end of the year managed to break the circle to eliminate certain girls I thought were a threat & added new ones I liked better, so I could lead the group. No one had a clue that I was responsible for all of that...But that was the old immature unevolved me. I'm not like that anymore. IP: Logged |
hannaramaa
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posted January 13, 2013 04:06 AM
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Originally posted by MillyX:
I have that aspect. All of my friends are girls, I don't have guy friends, I only have gay ones. Never had girls jealous of me. I think it's the other way around... I am the jealous type. Moon square Pluto makes me real slick & sneaky ..In high school I manipulated my way into a circle of friends & by the end of the year managed to break the circle to eliminate certain girls I thought were a threat & added new ones I liked better, so I could lead the group. No one had a clue that I was responsible for all of that...But that was the old immature unevolved me. I'm not like that anymore.
I was like that too Milly! I was very good at wedging myself where I wanted to be and shaping the group to my favor. My only quandry is that I think a lot of girls our age back then were like that, so what separates Moon/Pluto behavior from normal "female dominance" behavior?
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Jessica2407
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posted January 13, 2013 06:21 AM
I wasn't! I wasn't in any clan or group when I was in high school, or college. I was always a loner. The main reason was because I didn't see why I should follow the 'rules' of the group. I was more mature than my age even back then,I would get easily irritated.That's why I never attempted to change/manipulate the group I would just remove myself from the group and I'm better off.Besides I don't like to conform to anyone rules except my own...even my rules are dynamic LOLMay be I am the exception to this Moon-Pluto rule, may be because the square is very wide one. May be there are other aspects in my natal that would explain that. IP: Logged |
anno_lucis
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posted January 13, 2013 08:16 AM
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Originally posted by stellar_moon:
I have Moon Cap square Pluto Lib and I can relate to everything everyone has posted so far with this. I read one article about this aspect, at least with the transit, is when Titanic hit the iceburg and sank, Moon Pisces was square Pluto Gemini. I've had a lot of messed up experiences with women, and they find me a threat too. I could count close female friends on one hand or less.
http://planetwaves.net/pagetwo/daily-astrology/charts/titanic-astrology-pluto-eris/
wow this is crazy. i am going through this transit at the moment, t pluto square natal moon in aries(and t uranus). the other night i had a genuine full on, titanic style sinking ship nightmare. then i come on here and read this...crazy. i'm gonna have to start writing my dreams down again i think. don't normally have problems getting along with other women though the last few big fallings out i've had have been women. i'm really easy going tho, honestly! i wonder if this pluto transit has something to do with it. i have natal neppy widely square asc aswell, people do try their luck...
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Lonake
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posted January 13, 2013 08:54 PM
anonymidarkness,
"She also seems to be able to cut off people very easily"
---Same, it took me some yrs tho to realize most people aren't like that (or don't seem to be anyway).
I guess from an objective viewpoint I can see the value in hanging on to someone,
but from an emotional standpoint it just doesn't feel right.Jessica,
"it's more because the men can't be 'just friends' with ME"
---Do you find that scary sometimes, or do you just roll with it? You've seen the JB Fanvideo on YouTube? ha, she cracks me up (!)
"'we can be friends then later may be that would change' kinda scenario"
---No, that'd feel honestly like a waste of time. But I know it works for some people, watching love grow. The only thing that's changed fairly recently (last yr) for me is that I no longer put much value in the idea that mental compatibility = the big deal of being together/attracion (which used to be the case for me, partly merc/dsc)...I had Saturn squaring my Moon/Venus last yr and now I'm more that I need/want someone who makes me feel protected when I'm alone with him, not so much out in the world since I don't feel much intimidated by it, but alone together..but still I guess the answer is 'no'..I guess I just added more info there ^ since I read attraction a lil bit differently now. It's still a bit strange coming to terms with the new me so that's why I'm a bit wordy here :/
And re:trust that's thrown around a lot with this one, I think in a sense it's v.self-protective, for me personally because I know how badly things can go wrong and I don't want to go that route since I intuit something very destructive/overwhelming, as if I can see it down the road and I want to take a detour. Maybe there's an instinctive feeling that I know who the right person is to take that plunge with on one hand, and I do, but on other hand it's prob fair to say that I've pushed people away (and I know this for sure because I've been told this)..but again, it felt like the right thing to do. I guess I just ultimately didn't feel safe around them? And others I do. And inside too, there's still that part of me that has a tremendous grief at the loss of a relationship that's not of my own choosing/desire, and that's overwhelming, and maybe sometimes that's that destructive thing I sense down the road because ultimately all relationships do end, at least as we know them. So the answer, it seems, is to detach from 'material reality' a bit, feel the pain of potential loss, but just enjoy each day with them as much as you can anyway? I don't know. I guess in some ways I feel like I'm already at the finish line even tho the race just started and I should be back with the rest of the group. The Moon sign has to play into it here tho (and other aspects) mine's in Capricorn, emphasis on security.
"I'll probably stand back and watch what the guy does. Whether the guy is strong enough to resist manipulation from them, because if one woman can manipulate him, then 20 more WILL."
---So right on.
"all the verbal abuse and manipulation I had to sustain from my mother"
  Sorry to hear that.
"May be I am the exception to this Moon-Pluto rule, may be because the square is very wide one. May be there are other aspects in my natal that would explain that."
---I'm an exception to that rule too. I'm more that I want to communicate with like-minded people than dominate which I find potentially very alienating. However my moods are in flux, so who I'm communicating with and how much varies depending on what I'm going through. A good leader isn't sometimes incredibly mute/hard to reach :/ haha. It takes a certain skill to run a group & if that's the main motivator, then I guess that that person needs/wants the adoration/acceptance, maybe they're still trying to figure out who they are in the midst of it all. I'd rather just be seen for me. IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted January 13, 2013 08:54 PM
Doux,
"So maybe in my case I project that energy instead of receiving it."
---Maybe so because in theory if that energy is part and parcel of this aspect, it's going to manifest we just don't know where.
"but I don't want to spend half my time with him either.
I thought everyone was like that?"
---I am but then again I value my private time/personal space. But I think I know who you're talking about some people are 24/7 people and they don't feel hemmed in or anything, or at least they look v.content..maybe some of them are just good at hiding what's going on.hanna,
"However, this Scorpio girl can be the type who "goes after" a guy just because she doesn't want me having him."
 Literally o-m-g. Gross.
"and I may sound ignorant for not thinking so, so I'm open to criticism"
---Hmm maybe..I'd look at Venus too tho.. And Mars in Libra, can be really big flirts....look at aspects and see what it's ruled by maybe? Venus in..
"so what separates Moon/Pluto behavior from normal "female dominance" behavior?"
---Good point, there are also transits and progressions of such.
However, Pluto power, Moon the masses/mother/women in general. stellar,
"I also get the sense sometimes that some women befriend me only because they see me as a threat. The "keep your friends close and your enemies closer" kinda thing. I see right through it."
---Noticed this sometimes too, have never heard it verbalized/put into words before, but yes that's what it was. I don't know how someone can even have the patience to act like that because it doesn't seem like it'd be easy. Milly,
"But that was the old immature unevolved me. I'm not like that anymore."
---Congratulations, sincerely, because I've known grown women well past their Saturn Return who acted like that, who really should've known better; it's very sad. Best to leave it behind  anno_lucis,
"i wonder if this pluto transit has something to do with it."
---Ha,  uh-oh, welcome to our world ^__^ That transit sounds like a trip, I have the natal square and when Uranus was conjunct my Moon I did have a move.. IP: Logged |
stellar_moon
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posted January 13, 2013 09:40 PM
I'm the biggest idiot ever. I totally thought I had Moon Square Pluto...Moon in Cap square Pluto in Libra..but in my chart it says it's sextile? Moon 4 deg Cap....Pluto 29 deg Libra.....whoops. I do have pluto square venus though. Maybe that's my issue with friendships with women. IP: Logged |
Jessica2407
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posted January 14, 2013 06:39 AM
Jessica,
"it's more because the men can't be 'just friends' with ME"
---Do you find that scary sometimes, or do you just roll with it? You've seen the JB Fanvideo on YouTube? ha, she cracks me up
No , I haven't. Will def check it out
Scary? no. I used to feel sad, that guys who I don't fall for are enamored with me. But not anymore, now I just roll with it. When a guy befriends me, I kinda wait for the moment when he will tell me 'am starting having feelings for you'.Am ready for it,so now it seldom takes me by surprise! However,I don't know what's in my natal chart that gives me such experiences, but most of these guys are younger than me, like 4 to 5 years younger, the last one was 7 years younger! I have venus conjunction saturn, most of the descriptions indicate an older partner but I have never gone out with a guy much older than me, I have never had a serious proposition from someone older either.The guy am into now is 6 months younger than me! ''Maybe there's an instinctive feeling that I know who the right person is to take that plunge with on one hand, and I do, but on other hand it's prob fair to say that I've pushed people away (and I know this for sure because I've been told this)..but again, it felt like the right thing to do.'' I know exactly what you mean.Do you think it's moon square pluto? that we develop an acute intuition or something. I know instinctively that the person is not the right one too, but I ride with it, not that I would go out with the person, but I would sit back and wait for the dealbreaker to come and BAM it never surprise me when it does. Sometimes am amazed by how true my intuition is myself. This inner voice has never once disappointed me, infact I have disappointed it in the sense that there were times i have stubbornly ignored it and yeah I have learned through the hard way but if only I have listened to it in the first place, still a part of me gladly accepts the mistakes because it has helped in shaping the woman I have become now. '' It takes a certain skill to run a group & if that's the main motivator, then I guess that that person needs/wants the adoration/acceptance, maybe they're still trying to figure out who they are in the midst of it all. I'd rather just be seen for me.'' Yeah me too, I just can't be seen as a member of a group or gang or whatever. Nah..not my style..
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posted January 14, 2013 10:05 AM
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Originally posted by Lonake:
anno_lucis,
"i wonder if this pluto transit has something to do with it."
---Ha, uh-oh, welcome to our world ^__^ That transit sounds like a trip, I have the natal square and when Uranus was conjunct my Moon I did have a move..
haha yes it is quite something! i have been looking at moving actually...rent's too high for what i get round here...so, bit further out it is...Lonake - can i ask about something that you and Jessica touched on here and also in the Jennifer Aniston thread quote:
concurrent with transit Pluto conjunct natal Moon square natal Pluto (she admitted she drove him away due to Moon/Pluto issues, ha and now he's with a new Moon/Pluto woman).
can i ask do moon/pluto transits cause this type of behaviour? pushing partners away etc? i always put it down to my need for autonomy and independence....i think i even do it without realising, a lot. i know pluto has a role these sorts of subconscious behaviour patterns, but lord, don't let me keep repeating the same mistakes - i have venus in aries too like aniston!! like you said, on some level i don't feel safe so i push the person away, but then i'm always left wondering if that was paranoid, if i'm doomed to shut everyone out forever, because i intuited something that felt 'off'.or worse still if i had projected my worst fears onto that person which then became a self fulfilling prophecy... it's like my pluto doesn't know how to quit, it won't wait around for the deal breaker to come anymore, though in the last two relationships i did, and my intuition was correct - but it's like it just wants me to heed it immediately and move the hell on, but if there is no proof...i'm sort of just left looking like a bit of a cold hearted b*tch mars rules my sun, moon, venus and merc and is in a fixed t square opposing pluto, square jupiter. is it the mars-pluto? halp? IP: Logged |
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posted January 14, 2013 07:23 PM
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Originally posted by Lonake:
hanna,
"However, this Scorpio girl can be the type who "goes after" a guy just because she doesn't want me having him."
Literally o-m-g. Gross.
"and I may sound ignorant for not thinking so, so I'm open to criticism"
---Hmm maybe..I'd look at Venus too tho.. And Mars in Libra, can be really big flirts....look at aspects and see what it's ruled by maybe? Venus in..
Right? I didn't realize that was happening until, like, the 4th time I found myself getting upset at her for not giving a situation space despite my flat out saying how I feel. Her Venus makes hard aspects to Jupiter and Saturn, biQuintile Chiron, and conjunct her Scorpio ASC (of course it would. Hmph.) Her Mars in Libra is square her Capricorn moon, and quintile Uranus. Like Jessica stated about her Moon square Pluto placement, she doesn't get along with women, and neither does the Scorpio girl I'm referencing to. I wonder then, how did her and I end up such consistent friends? I have the Moon opp. Pluto and get along with women overall. At least they certainly don't treat me the way they do her (flat out giving her looks, or avoiding her) IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted January 26, 2013 04:47 AM
Hi Jessica, I think the age thing could be Saturn, but it could also be Mercury/Gemini/Aries, depending. Other things are at work in the chart too, but you'd have to look at in more in-depth. I don't know how old you are but 5 yrs doesn't sound that much of a diff to me, seems average...but I know the younger the person is the more the difference in age stands out.
"Do you think it's moon square pluto? that we develop an acute intuition or something."
---Yes I think so, I'm also v.quick to leave a relationship if the other person isn't going to get down to business and work on it, I know others stay long after the well's run dry.. To me there's too many other choices for a partner out there to just waste time with someone who's not going to give it their all. I also have Venus Cap square Saturn/Pluto so everything I just wrote ^ is x100 pretty much..... Hi anno_lucis, I hope you're still reading this thread since I saw that you asked me a Q, work got really busy all of a sudden sorry for replying so late ~
"can i ask do moon/pluto transits cause this type of behaviour? pushing partners away etc?"
---Ooh, well if it's a new temporary sort of thing you'll want to look at what your chart is doing now, since many factors will be working together. I mean, even Venus/Chiron could do that. But my thinking on the matter is, personally, if I was pushing them away then, then ultimately they weren't good for me, because I knew absolutely at the time that a relationship with them was not what I needed. I know I hurt them then but I see it personally as just one of the casualties that can happen when you put yourself out there like we all do, so it's a risk they took and it didn't pay off for them with me, but it will for them with someone else. Moon/Pluto I think first and foremost, find your own security and be able to stand and weather the storms alone, and if someone's bringing BS to you be willing to cut them out of your life even if just temporarily, and learn to detach. It's crazy, I've seen men have all of a sudden very tumultuous relationships with their steady girlfriends/wives when transit Pluto is square their natal Moon; the woman acting out the transiting Pluto square. With Moon/Pluto you have to be absolutely true to yourself or else it won't work, and you have to know how to spot anyone playing on your feelings to get something from you; stay strong in your self-belief, that's my best advice after witnessing various people go through the square. Protect yourself and your own because people close to you might need extra protection at this time, maybe children, or pets, or family, maybe your partner, anyone/thing that you would view as like a 'child' to you, or someone or something to 'look after.' But don't let them get away with much, this is also a time where you might have to put your foot down in some respect.
"i have venus in aries too like aniston!!"
---Well you can always look at your progressed Venus too Maybe it's in Taurus now. Hers (I believe) hasn't left late Aries, I think it's still conjunct her progressed Saturn on her DSC since it's Rx. And no I don't think you'll be like Aniston since at that time her natal square was activated by a conjunction of Pluto to her Moon, and that's double duty. I don't know your chart but so far it sounds like yours is only one order of Moon/Pluto to-go.
"but if there is no proof...i'm sort of just left looking like a bit of a cold hearted b*tch"
---Ha this is how I must've looked to some of them. I think there's something bigger that you're looking for here, that you might not find through another person.. but through getting closer to what your emotional needs really are you'll find better avenues to give these feelings an expression. And once you get to the bottom of it all, you can then verbalize this to your partner or family/friends. The square is a very creative and intense aspect. It needs an outlet. It also needs space. Pluto and Uranus both demand space in companionship. I know it sounds weird for Pluto but it's true. And Neptune to a certain extent as well. All the outers aren't really meant to be taken in big doses on the day-to-day level. They're really not. So a person going through a transit like yours can easily start to feel overwhelmed by demands and obligations. But it's a transit. It has its purpose and then it will be just a memory.
"mars rules my sun, moon, venus and merc and is in a fixed t square opposing pluto, square jupiter. is it the mars-pluto? halp?"
---I'd like to help more, you can post your chart for me in Personal Readings if you like, or just the data since I'd need the actual data to look deeper into it. And also post your top concerns with what's going on with this situation/s in simple sentences, that would help too. ... Hi hanna, I think the hard Venus/Jupiter would be a strong factor here as well. Mars square the Moon often has a problem pushing forward on their instincts which can be rash and foolhardy, they also have a tendency to dramatize situations emotionally when it would be better to cool down first, and then react. Seems that there's a deeper emotional issue with her in these conquests that has her reacting like a child, wanting to grab all of the 'candy.' They do also seem to need a lot of attention.
"I wonder then, how did her and I end up such consistent friends?"
---Either from compatible synastry aspects/placements, one's progressions matching another's natal/transits, similarities between the natals in aspects/placements, etc. There is something about her, that if you're friends, that is similar to yourself, even if that concept is maddening. What's likely is that she's expressing the energy in your chart in a way that you don't or in a way that you are morally opposed to, and you find this to be distasteful. So it seems that there has to be a match-up in the similarities in the natal, you just have to look for it. IP: Logged |
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posted January 26, 2013 05:47 AM
''Hi Jessica, I think the age thing could be Saturn, but it could also be Mercury/Gemini/Aries, depending. Other things are at work in the chart too, but you'd have to look at in more in-depth. I don't know how old you are but 5 yrs doesn't sound that much of a diff to me, seems average...but I know the younger the person is the more the difference in age stands out.''
Hi there Lonake Hope things are well.
I thought Saturn in the 7th house indicates an older partner. When I was younger, yeah the age thing was standing out, but now not that much however,I don't get guys that are older to me
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posted January 26, 2013 10:06 AM
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Originally posted by Lonake:
Hi anno_lucis, I hope you're still reading this thread since I saw that you asked me a Q, work got really busy all of a sudden sorry for replying so late ~
hey! really appreciate you taking the time to have a look at this for me!
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---Ooh, well if it's a new temporary sort of thing you'll want to look at what your chart is doing now, since many factors will be working together. I mean, even Venus/Chiron could do that.
yes i thought about it after and realised it may well be venus related for me - chart ruler and retrograde in aries. chiron is an interesting one as it aspects a lot of my chart, too. quote:
But my thinking on the matter is, personally, if I was pushing them away then, then ultimately they weren't good for me, because I knew absolutely at the time that a relationship with them was not what I needed. I know I hurt them then but I see it personally as just one of the casualties that can happen when you put yourself out there like we all do, so it's a risk they took and it didn't pay off for them with me, but it will for them with someone else.
wow. yes. quote:
Moon/Pluto I think first and foremost, find your own security and be able to stand and weather the storms alone, and if someone's bringing BS to you be willing to cut them out of your life even if just temporarily, and learn to detach. It's crazy, I've seen men have all of a sudden very tumultuous relationships with their steady girlfriends/wives when transit Pluto is square their natal Moon; the woman acting out the transiting Pluto square. With Moon/Pluto you have to be absolutely true to yourself or else it won't work, and you have to know how to spot anyone playing on your feelings to get something from you; stay strong in your self-belief, that's my best advice after witnessing various people go through the square. Protect yourself and your own because people close to you might need extra protection at this time, maybe children, or pets, or family, maybe your partner, anyone/thing that you would view as like a 'child' to you, or someone or something to 'look after.' But don't let them get away with much, this is also a time where you might have to put your foot down in some respect.
yeah learning to detach has definitely been a real thing for me recently. definitely staying true to myself, i don't think there is any other way...i'm so stubborn in my beliefs anyway, but i'm relieved to hear that is what i should be doing because it's so easy to feel guilty about doing so sometimes.
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"i have venus in aries too like aniston!!"
---Well you can always look at your progressed Venus too Maybe it's in Taurus now. Hers (I believe) hasn't left late Aries, I think it's still conjunct her progressed Saturn on her DSC since it's Rx. And no I don't think you'll be like Aniston since at that time her natal square was activated by a conjunction of Pluto to her Moon, and that's double duty. I don't know your chart but so far it sounds like yours is only one order of Moon/Pluto to-go.
hope so lol. mine's retro too. still in aries...currently conj my natal moon (with t uranus!) quote:
"but if there is no proof...i'm sort of just left looking like a bit of a cold hearted b*tch"
---Ha this is how I must've looked to some of them. I think there's something bigger that you're looking for here, that you might not find through another person.. but through getting closer to what your emotional needs really are you'll find better avenues to give these feelings an expression. And once you get to the bottom of it all, you can then verbalize this to your partner or family/friends. The square is a very creative and intense aspect. It needs an outlet. It also needs space. Pluto and Uranus both demand space in companionship. I know it sounds weird for Pluto but it's true. And Neptune to a certain extent as well. All the outers aren't really meant to be taken in big doses on the day-to-day level. They're really not. So a person going through a transit like yours can easily start to feel overwhelmed by demands and obligations. But it's a transit. It has its purpose and then it will be just a memory.
wow thank you, yes, the last few years have been so intense. everything you wrote makes sooo much sense
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"mars rules my sun, moon, venus and merc and is in a fixed t square opposing pluto, square jupiter. is it the mars-pluto? halp?"
---I'd like to help more, you can post your chart for me in Personal Readings if you like, or just the data since I'd need the actual data to look deeper into it. And also post your top concerns with what's going on with this situation/s in simple sentences, that would help too.
haha i'm scared!! yes thank you Lonake I would love you to take a look i will have a think and post it up over in Personal Readings. really appreciate it. IP: Logged | |
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